Recruiting Plan B?

[Turk_rivals223269]

Maybe we can get some bigger strong players. Recruiting 10 wings, some Top 100s is killing us when they can't make a freakn shot. Look at Iowa, they beat us to Garza and some other taller players and can rebound and shoot. We need players who can do more than shoot. Because when they throw up bricks, we don't have much else going on.

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[Jeffrey Cat]

Maybe we can get some bigger strong players. Recruiting 10 wings, some Top 100s is killing us when they can't make a freakn shot. Look at Iowa, they beat us to Garza and some other taller players and can rebound and shoot. We need players who can do more than shoot. Because when they throw up bricks, we don't have much else going on.

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I was watching the Ohio State/Iowa game and for one thing Iowa has a very good team with very good backcourt people who can handle the ball. They didn’t just arrive this year. Bohannon for example is a junior and has gone through a good deal of growing pains. I think that can be attested to by looking at the games we played against them in the last two years.

Ohio State on the other hand is similar to us but probably a little bigger. It appeared as if they were limited in experienced backcourt men the same way we are. This is only going to take time. We can’t hope for more than 10 to 15 minutes a game from Greer, but in time like Bohannon he will provide valuable minutes. Gaines is a nice guard but he is more of a off the ball slasher, which is a valuable piece.

Probably the biggest tragedy in this team is Brown’s attitude last year. He had a great opportunity but his mindset was to score by himself doing whatever it took. It was obvious in watching the team last year he was going on a different path than his coaches. If he pulled back a little and became a distributor of the ball we would be in a much different position and so would he. Academics off the court could have been a problem also, but that is pure conjecture based on where he transfered to.

I think we recruit another backcourt player and bring one in as a graduate transfer. Throw them out there and see what sticks.

 

[Cat Fan in Buckeye Land]

If you know of some players who match this criteria, who can also clear admissions at Northwestern, I’m sure Coach Collins and his staff would appreciate if you forward this information to them.

 

[Mr Wickerpark]

Maybe we can get some bigger strong players. Recruiting 10 wings, some Top 100s is killing us when they can't make a freakn shot. Look at Iowa, they beat us to Garza and some other taller players and can rebound and shoot. We need players who can do more than shoot. Because when they throw up bricks, we don't have much else going on.

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I think we will have to rely on a grad transfer next year as our pg.
As bad as Collins has been as a recruiter (BC players got us to the dance), he has found success with grad transfers/transfers Joey V, Taylor, Jared Swopshire. He even got that yale center to pinch a few minutes for Olah.
But with the team in a serious rebuild mode, i gotta think we may need 2 or 3 grad transfers since we wont have much next year as 85% of our scoring will graduate. No way we keep falzon a 5th year, he gives us nothing inside the arch, and as it turns out, he has nothing outside the arch. Him, Ash should not be given any 5th year.

 

[NJCat]

As bad as Collins has been as a recruiter (BC players got us to the dance), he has found success with grad transfers/transfers Joey V, Taylor, Jared Swopshire.

Swop was a Carmody recruit. Played BC's last season before getting hurt.

 

[willycat]

I think we will have to rely on a grad transfer next year as our pg.
As bad as Collins has been as a recruiter (BC players got us to the dance), he has found success with grad transfers/transfers Joey V, Taylor, Jared Swopshire. He even got that yale center to pinch a few minutes for Olah.
But with the team in a serious rebuild mode, i gotta think we may need 2 or 3 grad transfers since we wont have much next year as 85% of our scoring will graduate. No way we keep falzon a 5th year, he gives us nothing inside the arch, and as it turns out, he has nothing outside the arch. Him, Ash should not be given any 5th year.

Players that got us to the dance were Law, Pardon and Mac. All Collins recruits.

 

[Jeffrey Cat]

If you know of some players who match this criteria, who can also clear admissions at Northwestern, I’m sure Coach Collins and his staff would appreciate if you forward this information to them.

Believe me they are around and Chris and Brian are looking at them. I wouldn’t think about it as some huge hurdle because of the admissions. The coaches know who can play and this thing all has to shake out as result of the normal recruiting process.

 

[Cat Fan in Buckeye Land]

Believe they are around and Chris and Brian are looking at them. I wouldn’t think about it as some huge hurdle because of the admissions. The coaches know who can play and this thing all has to shake out as result of the normal recruiting process.

I was being a bit sarcastic...recruiting is hard! No matter how much you want to land a kid, you can go all in on a them, do everything right, and they still are as likely to go somewhere else as anything. Trying to read the tea leaves on high school kids and what they’re really looking for can be a tough way to make a living.

 

[Mr Wickerpark]

Players that got us to the dance were Law, Pardon and Mac. All Collins recruits.

sanjay and taphorn were critical. without them the team wouldnt have had a nit invitation. Collins has finished below .500 with his own recruits and this may be the most uncompetitive year since Shurna's first year. Can we win 6 conference games with no rebounding or outside shot?

 

[Turk_rivals223269]

If you know of some players who match this criteria, who can also clear admissions at Northwestern, I’m sure Coach Collins and his staff would appreciate if you forward this information to them.

Scotty Pippen Jr. Oops we didn't even offer so he went to Vanderbilt

 

[mikewebb68]

sanjay and taphorn were critical. without them the team wouldnt have had a nit invitation. Collins has finished below .500 with his own recruits and this may be the most uncompetitive year since Shurna's first year. Can we win 6 conference games with no rebounding or outside shot?

So you're saying Carmody would have taken us to the Dance had he stayed? Just ROFL. Hope you like Collins, because he is going nowhere unless he wants to. Nowhere.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

Believe they are around and Chris and Brian are looking at them. I wouldn’t think about it as some huge hurdle because of the admissions. The coaches know who can play and this thing all has to shake out as result of the normal recruiting process.

NU currently has excellent connections from their coaches to a kid in 2019 class in the CPS - admissions said no

 

[mickbula]

Players that got us to the dance were Law, Pardon and Mac. All Collins recruits.

Anyone who thinks that the pathetic Carmody comes anywhere close to the positive direction that CCollins is taking NU's bball program is either development disabled or blind. I had season tickets every year that Carmody was NU's coach. Sitting on our uncomfortable angled seats on the first level behind NU's bench, in the corner sucked- it was excruciating painful to watch. We came to all the games sometimes just to see the star players on the other teams we played because Nu only had 7 scholarship players. And almost all those NU players were either bad or mediocre. NO ONE wanted to play for NU. Carmody was a consummate loser. Does anyone remember almost losing to Wheaton College? Did you hear BC's comments after the game how he was "rooting for Wheaton"??? Collins is no comparison to BC. Collins players will take us back to the Dance several times in the next 20 years if CC stays. We might even make it to the Final Four. Might not happen this year...but it is coming soon. Believe me. Just wait and see- sitting in those beautiful new full-pleasured seats- in that sweet new stadium. Thank CC for all of that.

 

[freewillie07]

NU currently has excellent connections from their coaches to a kid in 2019 class in the CPS - admissions said no

Well that’s very frustrating.

 

[Medill90]

NU currently has excellent connections from their coaches to a kid in 2019 class in the CPS - admissions said no

/\ /\ /\ /\ This is the entire issue, packed into one sentence. Don't know the kid, but he would likely be automatic for every other Big Ten school. Collins and James have to watch these kids get plucked up, and then they have to compete against kids who never would be admitted to NU.

And some of the kids, I'd argue, should be given a shot.

Not advocating that we become U of I, but the idea that you can just go out and get these kids is crazy. It is a hugely difficult job. Collins has been the best at it, IMO.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

I was watching the Ohio State/Iowa game and for one thing Iowa has a very good team with very good backcourt people who can handle the ball. They didn’t just arrive this year. Bohannon for example is a junior and has gone through a good deal of growing pains. I think that can be attested to by looking at the games we played against them in the last two years.

Ohio State on the other hand is similar to us but probably a little bigger. It appeared as if they were limited in experienced backcourt men the same way we are. This is only going to take time. We can’t hope for more than 10 to 15 minutes a game from Greer, but in time like Bohannon he will provide valuable minutes. Gaines is a nice guard but he is more of a off the ball slasher, which is a valuable piece.

Probably the biggest tragedy in this team is Brown’s attitude last year. He had a great opportunity but his mindset was to score by himself doing whatever it took. It was obvious in watching the team last year he was going on a different path than his coaches. If he pulled back a little and became a distributor of the ball we would be in a much different position and so would he. Academics off the court could have been a problem also, but that is pure conjecture based on where he transfered to.

I think we recruit another backcourt player and bring one in as a graduate transfer. Throw them out there and see what sticks.

I agree w much of this except Brown. He had never been a distributor. He was a scorer. SG all day - maybe not the right build for SG in the B1G, but a scorer. It was round peg and square hole - 100% CCC error.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

If you know of some players who match this criteria, who can also clear admissions at Northwestern, I’m sure Coach Collins and his staff would appreciate if you forward this information to them.

Is CCC a great recruiter?

 

[NJCat]

Is CCC a great recruiter?

The greatest NU recruiter in the last 19 years.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Scotty Pippen Jr. Oops we didn't even offer so he went to Vanderbilt

Pippen Jr? Pippen has more kids than Robert Barathian. Gotta be a baller among the herd.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

The greatest NU recruiter in the last 19 years.

Ok, so NU admissions is no big deal anymore.

 

[NJCat]

Ok, so NU admissions is no big deal anymore.

Wrong.

 

[Sec_112]

Is CCC a great recruiter?

A) I'd be interested to hear the answer to this was question from a knowledgeable Duke fan.

The way Coach K runs his program at this point is that he heavily relies on his assistants. And I dont think CC was getting coffee for Wojo and Capel.

B) The educated question is not whether he's a good recruiter. According to recruiting services, he's recruiting at a historic pace.

The question is whether he's a good talent evaluator.

Yes, there are misses. But there are also examples of him finding some pretty good rare gems.

So if you think the book is written on this guy after you've only read half of it, you're generally ... so be it.

 

[docrugby1]

I agree w much of this except Brown. He had never been a distributor. He was a scorer. SG all day - maybe not the right build for SG in the B1G, but a scorer. It was round peg and square hole - 100% CCC error.

It was difficult to watch Brown sit on the bench with NU not having anyone capable of beating their defender one on one. I am not sure how many games he was a DNP

He was so valuable in 2017 and persona non grata in 2018

 

[Jeffrey Cat]

sanjay and taphorn were critical. without them the team wouldnt have had a nit invitation. Collins has finished below .500 with his own recruits and this may be the most uncompetitive year since Shurna's first year. Can we win 6 conference games with no rebounding or outside shot?

Wicker, you are wrong as Taphorn was recruited by Carmody, but when he was fired Tap and his family were looking elsewhere and Collins went down to Pekin and talked to the family and got him to stay with his commitment. We never went to the NIT it was the NCAA. Sanjay Lumpkin was the only Carmody recruit on the NCAA team.

 

[Turk_rivals223269]

/\ /\ /\ /\ This is the entire issue, packed into one sentence. Don't know the kid, but he would likely be automatic for every other Big Ten school. Collins and James have to watch these kids get plucked up, and then they have to compete against kids who never would be admitted to NU.

And some of the kids, I'd argue, should be given a shot.

Not advocating that we become U of I, but the idea that you can just go out and get these kids is crazy. It is a hugely difficult job. Collins has been the best at it, IMO.

Of course. This ruthless school doesn't have any compassion for players who may be underprivileged. Sad when Collins can score a kid but then the admin B Slaps the heck out of him. End of story. Paying $1,500 seat to watch beatings isn't a long term marriage.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Wrong.

Then I guess CCC is just a good recruiter.

 

[Katatonic]

Wicker, you are wrong as Taphorn was recruited by Carmody, but when he was fired Tap and his family were looking elsewhere and Collins went down to Pekin and talked to the family and got him to stay with his commitment. We never went to the NIT it was the NCAA. Sanjay Lumpkin was the only Carmody recruit on the NCAA team.

Tap and his family had little intention of changing his commitment (only way would have been if they didn't like the coaching hire) and it was Phillips and Polisky who first went down to Pekin.

The bigger recruiting job CC had to do was on Crawford.

There were those who doubted Tap being one of he team leaders (along w/ his brother - Sanjay).


Off the court, Lindsey has enjoyed Taphorn’s company, too. Last year, Taphorn unexpectedly took his teammate to dinner for Lindsey’s birthday. He says the small gesture exhibited Taphorn’s well-known kindness.

“Nate has been taking care all of the younger guys since I got here.” Lindsey said. “He’s a leader.”

https://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170...rn-plays-big-role-for-northwestern-basketball

While Lumpkin was the glue-guy on the court, Nate was the glue-guy off the court (getting all the teammates to hang out w/ each other, helped by his cooking skills).

Tap was the conciliator while his roomie was the arse-kicker (don't think Lumpkin took it too kindly w/ others slacking off on D or whatnot when he often had to do the tough, dirty work).

Hope Nate has found some level of comfort for his loss; was so sad/tragic.

 

[Medill90]

Wicker, you are wrong as Taphorn was recruited by Carmody, but when he was fired Tap and his family were looking elsewhere and Collins went down to Pekin and talked to the family and got him to stay with his commitment. We never went to the NIT it was the NCAA. Sanjay Lumpkin was the only Carmody recruit on the NCAA team.

Tap never looked elsewhere. The Taphorn family wanted the NU sheepskin. Phillips called the family simultaneous with Carmody firing and that was that.

 

[Medill90]

Tap and his family had little intention of changing his commitment (only way would have been if they didn't like the coaching hire) and it was Phillips and Polisky who first went down to Pekin.

The bigger recruiting job CC had to do was on Crawford.

There were those who doubted Tap being one of he team leaders (along w/ his brother - Sanjay).


Off the court, Lindsey has enjoyed Taphorn’s company, too. Last year, Taphorn unexpectedly took his teammate to dinner for Lindsey’s birthday. He says the small gesture exhibited Taphorn’s well-known kindness.

“Nate has been taking care all of the younger guys since I got here.” Lindsey said. “He’s a leader.”

https://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170...rn-plays-big-role-for-northwestern-basketball

While Lumpkin was the glue-guy on the court, Nate was the glue-guy off the court (getting all the teammates to hang out w/ each other, helped by his cooking skills).

Tap was the conciliator while his roomie was the arse-kicker (don't think Lumpkin took it too kindly w/ others slacking off on D or whatnot when he often had to do the tough, dirty work).

Hope Nate has found some level of comfort for his loss; was so sad/tragic.

People here crapped on Sanjay for four years...saying he should not have started...wasn't a difference maker. It was all crap. Sanjay was a leader, but a quiet leader. A look at a guy was all that was needed. Sanjay was an excellent basketball player.

 

[DaCat]

Of course. This ruthless school doesn't have any compassion for players who may be underprivileged. Sad when Collins can score a kid but then the admin B Slaps the heck out of him. End of story. Paying $1,500 seat to watch beatings isn't a long term marriage.

Like a lot of your posts, you criticize and ***** while being ignorant of facts. I know you often do it too get attention and start discussions, I get it, but don't be so blatantly obvious.

Northwestern is "ruthless" because it tries to hold to its academic and apparently ethical standards? We know other excellent academic institutions like Duke, Vandy, N* D* have lowered their standards significantly, compromising academic integrity to chase the almighty dollar. They also are not hesitant to cover up for their athletes, including crimes. How low should we go?

 

[willycat]

Like a lot of your posts, you criticize and ***** while being ignorant of facts. I know you often do it too get attention and start discussions, I get it, but don't be so blatantly obvious.

Northwestern is "ruthless" because it tries to hold to its academic and apparently ethical standards? We know other excellent academic institutions like Duke, Vandy, N* D* have lowered their standards significantly, compromising academic integrity to chase the almighty dollar. They also are not hesitant to cover up for their athletes, including crimes. How low should we go?

Well when "academic" schools are mentioned in the press or on the airwaves, they include Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Tulane, ND and NU. Only ND has been identified as hiding bad actors, while the others may have slightly altered their academic admission standards but are still consistently noted as high academic institutions. maybe it's time for NU to do likewise, or we will continue to see happenings like last night.

 

[Gocatsgo2003]

Well when "academic" schools are mentioned in the press or on the airwaves, they include Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Tulane, ND and NU. Only ND has been identified as hiding bad actors, while the others may have slightly altered their academic admission standards but are still consistently noted as high academic institutions. maybe it's time for NU to do likewise, or we will continue to see happenings like last night.

1) “Slightly?!” BA HAHAHAHAHAHA

2) Rice and Tulane are never thrown out there.

3) I don’t disagree that Fitz especially should get more latitude with admissions, but besides that... just no.

 

[hdhntr1]

I think we will have to rely on a grad transfer next year as our pg.
As bad as Collins has been as a recruiter (BC players got us to the dance), he has found success with grad transfers/transfers Joey V, Taylor, Jared Swopshire. He even got that yale center to pinch a few minutes for Olah.
But with the team in a serious rebuild mode, i gotta think we may need 2 or 3 grad transfers since we wont have much next year as 85% of our scoring will graduate. No way we keep falzon a 5th year, he gives us nothing inside the arch, and as it turns out, he has nothing outside the arch. Him, Ash should not be given any 5th year.

So many mistatements. First while a couple of former BC players were part of the mix that got us to the dance, would not have gotten there without what CCC and company brought. CCC has been a solid recruiter that has brought in a higher level of recruits than we have ever had. Swopshire was brought in by BC. Our plans for this year were sidelined by whatever Lathon did. He left a real hole that we do not have the people to fill

 

[Mr Wickerpark]

Like a lot of your posts, you criticize and ***** while being ignorant of facts. I know you often do it too get attention and start discussions, I get it, but don't be so blatantly obvious.

Northwestern is "ruthless" because it tries to hold to its academic and apparently ethical standards? We know other excellent academic institutions like Duke, Vandy, N* D* have lowered their standards significantly, compromising academic integrity to chase the almighty dollar. They also are not hesitant to cover up for their athletes, including crimes. How low should we go?

If I may, so no breaks for the underprivilege who lacked the academic environment. Cant NU utilize its resources to give someone a break?

 

[hdhntr1]

A) I'd be interested to hear the answer to this was question from a knowledgeable Duke fan.

The way Coach K runs his program at this point is that he heavily relies on his assistants. And I dont think CC was getting coffee for Wojo and Capel.

B) The educated question is not whether he's a good recruiter. According to recruiting services, he's recruiting at a historic pace.

The question is whether he's a good talent evaluator.

Yes, there are misses. But there are also examples of him finding some pretty good rare gems.

So if you think the book is written on this guy after you've only read half of it, you're generally ... so be it.

If he has a problem, it is putting together a complete team. THe present team has really solid parts but sometimes it seems like they do not fit together as well as needed. I believe this is growing pains that he will overcome as he sees what does and does not work. For example, he has seen the value that Sanjay brought the team and he is now turning Gaines into that guy. He has who he thought was his LG but that fell through so he is having to adjust. He will get there.

 

[willycat]

1) “Slightly?!” BA HAHAHAHAHAHA

2) Rice and Tulane are never thrown out there.

3) I don’t disagree that Fitz especially should get more latitude with admissions, but besides that... just no.

Oh so the general public and recruits don't consider Duke, Vanderbilt and ND as excellent academic institutions on par with NU? Since when are Rice and Tulans considered on par with Minnesota and Mississippi? If Fitz gets more latitude , why shouldn't Collins? You seem to be confused.

 

[Gocatsgo2003]

Oh so the general public and recruits don't consider Duke, Vanderbilt and ND as excellent academic institutions on par with NU? Since when are Rice and Tulans considered on par with Minnesota and Mississippi? If Fitz gets more latitude , why shouldn't Collins? You seem to be confused.

Again, I said I agree with you that loosening academic standards wouldn’t hurt overall academic standing for NU. Your “backup” is just not correct.

No, Tulane and Rice are never thrown out there by anyone as an “academic peer.”

And Duke et al have relaxed academic standards a TON.

Fitz should get more leeway than Collins because he has a longer track record of team academic excellence. He’s earned it.

 

[DaCat]

If I may, so no breaks for the underprivilege who lacked the academic environment. Cant NU utilize its resources to give someone a break?

Okay WickerTurk, let me ask you, how low do you want to go when it comes to academics?

Here are some facts, taken from the 2017-2018 common data set, for first year students:

SAT, 25 percentile: 1420
SAT, 75 percentile: 1560

ACT, 25 percentile: 32
ACT, 75 percentile: 35

1% had SAT Math in 500-599 range, and 1% were 400-499.
3% had SAT Verbal in 500-599 range, and 1% were 400-499.

1% had ACT in the 18-23 range.

100% were in the top 25% of their graduating class.

So it looks like we do have kids who didn't score well on standardized testing, as long as they put in honest work in the classroom to finish at least in the top 25% of their class.

We know that Ryan Greer got accepted with a 1310 SAT, not a bad score, but which places him in the bottom 25% of the incoming freshman class. The PWO kicker from Alabama reported a 24 ACT, a decent score, but which is almost at the bottom 1% of the class.

As GCG and others have mentioned, NU takes athletes with even lower scores than these two that I mentioned.

Note that 37,000 kids applied to Northwestern last year, with 9% being accepted. Every kid is fighting for a spot, and to gift a spot worth more than $300K over 4 years to an athlete who is underprivileged is something that NU apparently does, but not enough to liking of some ignorant fans. You can only give away so many spots. That's why Fitz, Collins, and other NU coaches have some of the most challenging jobs in the country.

 

[Gocatsgo2003]

Okay WickerTurk, let me ask you, how low do you want to go when it comes to academics?

Here are some facts, taken from the 2017-2018 common data set, for first year students:

SAT, 25 percentile: 1420
SAT, 75 percentile: 1560

ACT, 25 percentile: 32
ACT, 75 percentile: 35

1% had SAT Math in 500-599 range, and 1% were 400-499.
3% had SAT Verbal in 500-599 range, and 1% were 400-499.

1% had ACT in the 18-23 range.

100% were in the top 25% of their graduating class.

So it looks like we do have kids who didn't score well on standardized testing, as long as they put in honest work in the classroom to finish at least in the top 25% of their class.

We know that Ryan Greer got accepted with a 1310 SAT, not a bad score, but which places him in the bottom 25% of the incoming freshman class. The PWO kicker from Alabama reported a 24 ACT, a decent score, but which is almost at the bottom 1% of the class.

As GCG and others have mentioned, NU takes athletes with even lower scores than these two that I mentioned.

Note that 37,000 kids applied to Northwestern last year, with 9% being accepted. Every kid is fighting for a spot, and to gift a spot worth more than $300K over 4 years to an athlete who is underprivileged is something that NU apparently does, but not enough to liking of some ignorant fans. You can only give away so many spots. That's why Fitz, Collins, and other NU coaches have some of the most challenging jobs in the country.

NU takes student-athletes with MUCH lower scores than 1310 SAT or 26 ACT (Finison’s self-reported score).

 

[willycat]

Again, I said I agree with you that loosening academic standards wouldn’t hurt overall academic standing for NU. Your “backup” is just not correct.

No, Tulane and Rice are never thrown out there by anyone as an “academic peer.”

And Duke et al have relaxed academic standards a TON.

Fitz should get more leeway than Collins because he has a longer track record of team academic excellence. He’s earned it.

A lot of the general public would disagree with you regarding Tulane and RIce. Maybe they aren't in the discussion because their athletic programs are inferior. Guess Collins will just have to continue to struggle, while Fitz gets academic help with recruiting. Why is that ok?