Reds trade Castillo to Mariners
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Castillo reunited with Winker and Suarez in Seattle..I might become a Mariner's fan..At least they did not give him away to the Yankees or the Dodgers. On paper they got some good "prospects" for him. They gave Barnhart and Miley away during the offseason, I was afraid they would do the same with Castillo. Now if they can find a sucker to take on Moose's contract or least get someone in the return for him it will ease some of the pain of being a Reds fan..One decent prospect and a case of Bud Light and a bottle of Woodford and I would pull the trigger on that deal if I were Krall..lol..
Only way a team is going to give up a decent prospect for Mike Moustakas is if the Reds are assuming the majority of his salary and even then it would be a stretch. Won't get both salary relief and a quality prospect. Literally no incentive for anyone to trade for dead weight. It's the same organization that traded BP in his last season to Atlanta for 2 low level minor leaguers that never made it out of A Ball and paid $15 million of the remaining $16 mill in his final season of the contract. At least Phillips was productive at the end of his career unlike Moustakas.
Yeah, I hated that trade with a passion. Always loved BP, even as his production declined.
The Reds need to start trying to just put the best team possible out there every season without trying to do a roster rebuild as it seems like the team has been trying to do that since 2014 with disastrous results. I'd much rather have ownership look at the money they have and assemble the best team available each year to compete.
Agreed! Hoping by the end of 2024 they can start to contend again. The Reds will have a clean slate with Votto & Moustakas off the books $63 million owed still or they can buy them out in '24 for $11 million between the two. By then even more of the talented players in the pipeline should be here like De La Cruz, etc Sign India, Stephenson and the talented young pitchers to contract extensions and build around them going forward.
I’m totally comfortable with the trade, as it certainly appears the Reds got a very nice haul. Fans are so quick to point out the agony of trading a top player, but ironically don’t seem to mind the risk of spending huge money for the 2nd half of a guys career.
When we traded Cueto, he was the best Reds starter in decades. Fans were furious. And you know what? He’s mostly been injured or terrible ever since.
More irony: the reason we got Castillo in the first place is because we traded away our #1 starter…….the completely forgettable, claimed off waivers Dan Straily.
When we traded Cueto, he was the best Reds starter in decades. Fans were furious. And you know what? He’s mostly been injured or terrible ever since.
More irony: the reason we got Castillo in the first place is because we traded away our #1 starter…….the completely forgettable, claimed off waivers Dan Straily.
Fans can acknowledge this was a good haul on paper while missing one of our beloved Reds in Castillo that we got attached too. Agree with much of what you say however, I don't recall too many being outraged over the Dan Straily trade. A prime example of why the Reds should consider trading guys who could be one hit wonders like Brandon Drury and get something in return selling high than letting them revert to their career numbers for no return. Getting Castillo was one of the best trades this franchise has ever made.
As far as Cueto, fans were right to be upset losing an ace and no one can look into the future to know he was going to get injured more often than not. As Chris Welsh said in the pregame show, his words "No one remembers who the Reds got in exchange for Cueto & Chapman. It would be like saying the Reds let Trevor Bauer go before he got in trouble and all of this information hit.
My personal biggest complaint with those two trades is that we got so little back for Chapman and Cueto — and it was incredibly obvious at the time.
Hindsight is always 20/20, but the fact is some teams are just much better at this than others. The Reds front office generally sucks.
Hindsight is always 20/20, but the fact is some teams are just much better at this than others. The Reds front office generally sucks.
Chapman trade was awful, Bob panicked when Chapman got into legal trouble
Wasn’t Cody Reed a top 50 prospect when we traded Cueto to KC?
Frazier, Cueto & Chapman trades were all busts. Only Scott Schebler, Jose Peraza & Brandon Finnegan ever gave the Reds anything and that's being generous. Very little. I believe of all 3 trades Peraza is the only one even in MILB. The rest are out of baseball and Caleb Cotham for Chapman eventually became the Reds assistant pitching coach.
Is that what I said?
i was correcting you on “Peraza is the only one even in milb”
If we’re looking back then why not bring up if Votto was traded instead of Alonso and prospects for Mat Latos years ago the Reds would have been able to sign a Castillo type.
It’s all hypothetical, but as is it sounds like Marte will be up very very early next season which is rewarding in a trade like this.
Then Arroyo “could” be the next season and make up the middle infield for years to come!
Excellent move!
It’s all hypothetical, but as is it sounds like Marte will be up very very early next season which is rewarding in a trade like this.
Then Arroyo “could” be the next season and make up the middle infield for years to come!
Excellent move!
Does it even really matter? Point being none of these guys are major leaguers and helping the Reds today. Meanwhile New York got their franchise SS in Gleyber Torres for 2 months of Chapman.
Definitely not arguing about that, was simply stating a fact as I thought it was comical that Brandon Dixon is still around, believe he spent time in Japan as well
as far as Chapman, like I said, Bob panicked when he had the domestic violence issue come up. Dumb of course. Letting Raisel Iglesias go for nothing was also dumb
Doubt any of them are up that soon knowing how the Reds move along their prospects in the organizations. Marte & Arroyo are still teenagers. Want to see De La Cruz & Matt McLain in the near future.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Drury isn’t traded. This has been his best year. I look for the Reds to try to get a prospect for him.
EDLC might force the Reds hands mid 2023, he’d be 21 I believe. Guy is gonna be a stud.
The Iglesias move was another disaster. Only to send Noe Ramirez back to the Angels and they cut him again. MLB Network had Raisel #3 rated closer going into the season. A lot of fans crucified him but he had 106 saves here. Outside of his rookie year as a starter, only 1 season with an ERA above 2.74. Could've done much better.
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Because 20 from 19 is a huge difference...My point still stands, he's still a few years off only in A Ball. Anyone who watches the Reds already knows the slow rate in which they promote through the farm system. Few make it before the age of 23.
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Definitely agree and I'd reach for him. Has shown way more than Barrero when they reached for him in 2020. That 500 foot bomb he hit with Chattanooga was insane.
Finnegan was in the Reds organization through the end of last season and the White Sox picked him up. Thought he had a chance to be a contributor early on but some injuries ruined him. 1st player to pitch in the CWS and the WS in the same season.
Fans need to be patient with these new guys. This trade is for the long haul as the Reds are in the midst of yet another fire sale. Neither of those guys will be up next season, notoriously slow to promote and the pipeline is full of SS prospects ahead of them like De La Cruz, Jose Barrero, Matt McLain. Votto's deal dates back well before the trade for Castillo and he's earned his money. Levi Stoudt is the closest to the MLB level at AA.
People want to complain when the Reds trade their star players yet want the Reds to get rid of Joey Votto. This is what happens when you sign legends to long-term contracts. Detroit is experiencing the same with Miguel Cabrera. Votto deserves to finish his career on his terms. Overpaying Homer Bailey getting intoxicated off 2 no-hitters instead of a signing a consistent Johnny Cueto. Paying Mike Moustakas who was always over rated $20 million is why the Reds lose out on the like of Suarez, Winker, Castellanos and Luis Castillo. If the Reds traded Votto after his 2010 MVP, fans would cry the Reds didn't pay him..
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I would say I couldn't believe he said that but, I would be lying.
If Tampa can be competitive on a fairly consistent basis, so can the Reds. Ownership has had 16 years, 4 GM's, 4 managers, 2 interim managers, countless coaches and players to prove they know what they're doing.
They do love our former Reds top prospect Taylor Trammell and recently Billy Hamilton in their organization, Phillip Ervin and Shed Long.
Pham has to be one of the all time ******** in the sport. He’s so talented, but has a terrible reputation. So despite always producing, he never seems to catch a break.
I’m rooting for the guy, and really enjoyed him as a Red.
I’m rooting for the guy, and really enjoyed him as a Red.
Yeah...his July was awesome (.204 w/ 32 K's in 98 AB's) not to mention his woeful defense. 7 assists, great....4 errors and constant misplays....not.
You have a terrible definition of always producing, but you liked Winker too, so not surprising.
As a Reds fan, I want the best return regardless who it is from whether it's the Yankees, Dodgers or Red Sux. The Dodgers have the best farm system in all of MLB and dealing with them would have been for some great prospects. #6 for the Padres after all of the trades isn't near the same for team like LA at the top.