Richard Williams and Stansbury Comparison
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That's all I'm going to say. It's information that I probably shouldn't even know, but overheard.
here is how wikipedia distinguishes between the two:
"Richard Williams was the college basketball coach at Mississippi State from 1986 to 1998. He is the 2nd winningest coach in school history with 191 victories (191-163 .540) bested only by his former assistant and now head coach Rick Stansbury." (Through one less season - and not counting this year so far -, Stans is 231-128 (.645), btw)
yes, stansbury "took over a program two years removed from a final 4", but, as we've already pointed out, those 2 years sucked and there wasn't much talent on board when he took over. Also, anyone who believes the Bryan Hot Dog thing is a %@@%#*% moron.
Also, obviously, if Rick learned as an assistant under Dick, then it makes sense that Rick learned his "offense" from Dick.
The real difference is that Rick has been so good (or at least consistent) for so long, that he has fooled some of our itellectually challenged fans into thinking that we are an elite program and we should expect to be one of the 16 best teams in the country on a regular basis and one of the four best teams in the country at least once a decade. Dick was never good enough to create that illusion. Yep...that pretty much sums it up.
"Richard Williams was the college basketball coach at Mississippi State from 1986 to 1998. He is the 2nd winningest coach in school history with 191 victories (191-163 .540) bested only by his former assistant and now head coach Rick Stansbury." (Through one less season - and not counting this year so far -, Stans is 231-128 (.645), btw)
yes, stansbury "took over a program two years removed from a final 4", but, as we've already pointed out, those 2 years sucked and there wasn't much talent on board when he took over. Also, anyone who believes the Bryan Hot Dog thing is a %@@%#*% moron.
Also, obviously, if Rick learned as an assistant under Dick, then it makes sense that Rick learned his "offense" from Dick.
The real difference is that Rick has been so good (or at least consistent) for so long, that he has fooled some of our itellectually challenged fans into thinking that we are an elite program and we should expect to be one of the 16 best teams in the country on a regular basis and one of the four best teams in the country at least once a decade. Dick was never good enough to create that illusion. Yep...that pretty much sums it up.
1) If someone from another school is testing interest, they inquire through his agent. If the agent says "no thanks" then they move on. Why would you trumpet that publicly? It serves no purpose at all.ckDOG said:
2) Why would a guy who has won 60+% of his games at a non-traditional basketball power NOT receive interest from other schools? This is conjecture on my part but just as valid as yours, I think.
3) His wife is MSU to the core, and by all accounts does not want to leave Starkville.
4) Stans has stated himself that he likes it here and isn't looking to move on:
Q: Under your belt, you got six tournament appearances, one SEC Championship, four West crowns and eight 20 win seasons. That's a lot to throw out. Arguably, that makes you one of the better coaches, of any sport, in MSU history. Do you think your entire legacy will be built here at MSU.</p>
A: You're asking me if I'm planning on leaving? Is that the question? It's very obvious; I've been here now going on my 12th year and 20 years total. You know I love Starkville, Mississippi. I love Mississippi State; it's a great place to raise a family. We've sold out the Hump seven years in a row. Every ticket's sold out preseason. In my opinion, what's better? The grass isn't always greener. It's very obvious. I've been here a long time, and I'm not looking to leave as long as everybody wants me here. Again, I've said this many times, no longer do you have to leave this state to find a place to play and win and get a good education. I tell recruits all the time, 'If you've got to go away from home to find a place to play and win and get a good education, then that's what you need to do.' But you can find it just as good or better close to home. You've got the best of both worlds; that's what you've got right here. Mississippi State may not be the right place for every kid, but for the right kid, it's the best place in America. I think that's what we've been able to put together. People in recruiting talk about small town Starkville. Starkville, Mississippi is a big time city for a lot of kids. Our campus, people who have never been here have a perception, but until you get here, it's totally different. Reality and perception are totally different. Our campus is as pretty and beautiful as any campus in the country. We also have a new practice facility coming in that has not been a want, but an absolute need. This is a perfect place, and the best place, for the right person.</p>
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4) The guy makes $1.2 million a year as a basketball coach in Starkville, MS.....I'd say he's got a few bucks stashed away. It's not Kentucky, Florida, or Tennessee money, but it doesn't suck either. He's currently tied for 6th in the SEC, 500K out of 4th place.</p>
1. John Calipari, Kentucky, $3.9 million
2. Billy Donovan, Florida, $3.5 million
3. Bruce Pearl, Tennessee, $2.4 million
4. Anthony Grant, Alabama, $1.8 million
5. Mark Fox, Georgia, $1.3 million
6. Trent Johnson, LSU, $1.2 million
7. Rick Stansbury, Miss. State, $1.2 million
8. Kevin Stallings, Vanderbilt, $981,000
9. Darrin Horn, South Carolina, $800,000
10. Andy Kennedy, Ole Miss, $800,000
11. John Pelphrey, Arkansas, $795,000
12. Jeff Lebo, Auburn, $750,000</p>
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Not many places would pay him more than he makes here anyway. Also, no clue what (if any) incentives he has in his contract.</p>
Point being, you have no evidence to support your assertion that no one wants Rick Stansbury. On the other hand, we have a) his spoken word, b) his contract numbers, c) the fact that his hot-*** wife is MSU to the core to tell us that he isn't looking to move on -- he is happy here and he's trying to build a contender.
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Richard seemed to get the most out of his players by putting them in situations to have a chance to win. He preached D and had OFFENSIVE PACKAGES in place with multiple passes & inside out game. He did have some bad years but he was a good coach. His Sweet 16 & Final 4 seasons received a great deal of attention and should but the 91 season seems to get overlooked when discussing coaching superlatives. My freshman year you could get a lower level seat in the Hump with little effort. He took the nucleus of that team to a SEC championship in 1991. Everyone has heard the story of the students camping outside to get a seat. The Kang and his wife delivered donuts to us that morning.This bunch was good and played their guts out most of the time. Greg Carter, Cameron Burns (6'7), Doug Hartsfield and Tony Watts could certainly play the game but don't recall them being big time recruits. Richard and those guys did their part placing MSU basketball on the map in the modern era. Richard and Rick both believe in D but their overall approach to game is/was different in my opinion.</p>
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Richard Williams was a coach. He got the most out of his limited talent. Rick was and is a recruiter. His recruiting helped Richard Williams improve the level of talent on the squad. They complemented one another. What Rick needs now is a coach on his bench to help improve the talent Rick gets on campus. Talent alone is good enough to make State a contender year in and year out in the rough and tumble world of the SEC where football is king. It is rarely enough to overcome talented and well coached teams that we meet in the NCAA tournament. That is how I see it.
For what you are saying is to be true, I'd have to assume that Rick just flat out doesn't have any care in the world to move and/or be paid what he's worth. Which very well may be the case. But, time and time again we see coaches that appear to be perfectly happy in their current situation bail when a bigger and better job comes along. Maybe my sense of reality is just distorted from all the publicized coaching courtships that are leveraged in to raises we see in the media every year? Maybe those are just the outliers and don't represent the norm? If so, I apologize, you aren't the naive one. I just find it very strange, despite how happy and content and loyal to MSU as he may appear to be, that there hasn't been any smoke (to my recollection) hinting that somebody is going to try and snag Rick.
This also got me thinking -- if he actually IS happy/content with his current situation as has no desire to ever leave, then Byrne better light a fire under his *** and get him a little less comfortable. I don't want a happy/content head basketball coach unless he's winning on a national scale. Some argue those are unfair expectations because we are lowly Mississippi State and that if it weren't for Rick we wouldn't be where we are in the first place. Sure, we might not be where we are today without Rick. We've paid him a good deal of money to do that. But, if we can get one level, why can't we get to the next (solid NCAAT runs)? "We are M-State" is not an acceptable answer. I like Rick, I think he could take us to the next level. But, he's just got to try some new things because what he's done so far hasn't quite gotten us there. Being happy with the status quo is what made the MSU trophy case (all programs) what is today - pretty barren.
I'm sure Byrne is going to do this or already has to some degree. But, he should, at the very least, have it in the back of his Rick's mind that he may book looking for another job should he start slacking up. I don't think we are at the point that we should consider firing the guy, but should we continue disappointing in the NCAAT and those Western Division titles become few and far between, he's going to have to find a way to earn his keep or wish he had thought about leveraging those assumed job offers he's had over the years into bigger raises.
This also got me thinking -- if he actually IS happy/content with his current situation as has no desire to ever leave, then Byrne better light a fire under his *** and get him a little less comfortable. I don't want a happy/content head basketball coach unless he's winning on a national scale. Some argue those are unfair expectations because we are lowly Mississippi State and that if it weren't for Rick we wouldn't be where we are in the first place. Sure, we might not be where we are today without Rick. We've paid him a good deal of money to do that. But, if we can get one level, why can't we get to the next (solid NCAAT runs)? "We are M-State" is not an acceptable answer. I like Rick, I think he could take us to the next level. But, he's just got to try some new things because what he's done so far hasn't quite gotten us there. Being happy with the status quo is what made the MSU trophy case (all programs) what is today - pretty barren.
I'm sure Byrne is going to do this or already has to some degree. But, he should, at the very least, have it in the back of his Rick's mind that he may book looking for another job should he start slacking up. I don't think we are at the point that we should consider firing the guy, but should we continue disappointing in the NCAAT and those Western Division titles become few and far between, he's going to have to find a way to earn his keep or wish he had thought about leveraging those assumed job offers he's had over the years into bigger raises.
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