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Went to all the beaver stadium games

The absolutely frigid wind whipped game where Blair Thomas ran for 200 +yards and punts got blown back wards and Psu won was an alltime great Psu game

Went to all the beaver stadium games

The absolutely frigid wind whipped game where Blair Thomas ran for 200 +yards and punts got blown back wards and Psu won was an alltime great Psu game
1987 you could go out to the parking lot to “warm up”….a whole bunch, and go back in. What a game that was and I’m suurpriaed I remember it so well.
 

LionJim

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Am I out of line in saying that it seemed Holtz tried to be the second coming of Lee Corso?
 
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Actually, 12 year series with ND. (8 wins, 4 losses, iirc).
10 year series with Bama. (4 wins, 6 losses).
Right… I don’t remember how much of those series overlapped, but it seemed like most of them… and we also played a then top Nebraska a few times in there…AND Pitt was still very good in those days…

What a schedule!
 

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Right… I don’t remember how much of those series overlapped, but it seemed like most of them… and we also played a then top Nebraska a few times in there…AND Pitt was still very good in those days…

What a schedule!
ND 1981 thru 1992 (the Snow Bowl).
Bama 1981-1990.
Nebraska 1979-1983 (Kickoff Classic). 2 wins, 3 losses in that series.
 
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We ended their National Championship bids in 1982. 1987, and 1990. One of Joe’s biggest recruiting losses was Rocket Ismail to ND, especially since he lived in Wilkes Barre.
 
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I’m clueless about these things. Thanks for taking the time.
Holtz at least seemed like a genuine person. And tough to argue he was a good coach.

Lee Corso, when head coach at Indiana once took a photograph of the scoreboard when they led Michigan 7-0 one time. I mean, what else needs to be said about Corso...
 
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Holtz at least seemed like a genuine person. And tough to argue he was a good coach.

Lee Corso, when head coach at Indiana once took a photograph of the scoreboard when they led Michigan 7-0 one time. I mean, what else needs to be said about Corso...
That Corso story is one of the best stories. Lol.
 
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LB99

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Could not possibly put those two guys in the same sentence unless it is a contrast.

success with honor

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win by breaking recruiting rules at every stop.

He masterfully played it into a post coaching speaking circuit on the topic of “great motivator”.
I was unaware of this. Was he sanctioned for recruiting violations?
 

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I was unaware of this. Was he sanctioned for recruiting violations?
Left Minnesota and South Carolina on probation. Was implicated at both ND and Arkansas but left before it gathered proper NCAA steam.
He left ND saying “it was the right time” and didn’t think he should beat Rockne’s victories total. That’s right….a coach would try not to beat someone’s record.
He also mentioned the ND standards were too high for the kind of recruiting he needed….and THAT label/excuse has never left them since. More like, he was under too much scrutiny and couldn’t cheat. If you don’t think that’s true, he coached at South Carolina afterwards and returned to his usual ways to create success.
 

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Left Minnesota and South Carolina on probation. Was implicated at both ND and Arkansas but left before it gathered proper NCAA steam.
He left ND saying “it was the right time” and didn’t think he should beat Rockne’s victories total. That’s right….a coach would try not to beat someone’s record.
He also mentioned the ND standards were too high for the kind of recruiting he needed….and THAT label/excuse has never left them since. More like, he was under too much scrutiny and couldn’t cheat. If you don’t think that’s true, he coached at South Carolina afterwards and returned to his usual ways to create success.
This is so true, EVERYWHERE he went, probation / problems seemed to follow. Holtz always got out just before it hit the fan.
 
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After second year of the Jerry Faust 5 year contract debacle, ND knew they'd made a terrible decision. However, they had never fired a coach, and didn't want to start with Faust. It was then they picked Lou to replace Faust, but it wouldn't be for at least 2 years. So Lou went to Minnesota where he had it written into his contact he could legally break his contact only if he were offered the ND job. Which is what happened when Faust stepped down late in his 4th season.

Lou was then basically pushed out after hitting 100 wins as the strong ND alumni didn't want him to break Knute's win record.
 
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After second year of the Jerry Faust 5 year contract debacle, ND knew they'd made a terrible decision. However, they had never fired a coach, and didn't want to start with Faust. It was then they picked Lou to replace Faust, but it wouldn't be for at least 2 years. So Lou went to Minnesota where he had it written into his contact he could legally break his contact only if he were offered the ND job. Which is what happened when Faust stepped down late in his 4th season.

Lou was then basically pushed out after hitting 100 wins as the strong ND alumni didn't want him to break Knute's win record.
The NCAA was sniffing ND with the Debose thing and possible other things. He was pushed out for that. He's the one that declared he didn’t want to break the Rockne record, which is a ridiculous statement for a competitor.

the alumni probably agreed considering how nosy the NCAA was getting.

His passing is a sad day for his family and friends. He was probably highly entertaining and offered great advice to many people.
 

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The NCAA was sniffing ND with the Debose thing and possible other things. He was pushed out for that. He's the one that declared he didn’t want to break the Rockne record, which is a ridiculous statement for a competitor.

the alumni probably agreed considering how nosy the NCAA was getting.

His passing is a sad day for his family and friends. He was probably highly entertaining and offered great advice to many people.

Rockne was a rat who cared about one thing.... money.
 
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Left Minnesota and South Carolina on probation. Was implicated at both ND and Arkansas but left before it gathered proper NCAA steam.
He left ND saying “it was the right time” and didn’t think he should beat Rockne’s victories total. That’s right….a coach would try not to beat someone’s record.
He also mentioned the ND standards were too high for the kind of recruiting he needed….and THAT label/excuse has never left them since. More like, he was under too much scrutiny and couldn’t cheat. If you don’t think that’s true, he coached at South Carolina afterwards and returned to his usual ways to create success.
he was a head of his time, everything he did then, you can do now!
 

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one of his better stories was, he was coaching DB's at OSU and they were playing USC and OJ. He said at half time, Woody came over, put his hands around his neck, and asked, why did OJ Simpson just go 80 yds for a TD? Lous response was, 'cause thats all he needed Coach' !