Ryan Taylor struggling to live up to expectations

[lou v]

Ryan Taylor has yet to provide the scoring boost that many expected for the Wildcats this season.

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Taylor struggling to live up to expectations

 

[torque-cat]

Ryan Taylor has yet to provide the scoring boost that many expected for the Wildcats this season.

Here's Avery Zimmerman's feature...

Taylor struggling to live up to expectations

My biggest surprise was that he doesn't have the quickness to get separation from his defenders or the hops to shoot over them comfortably. It is not remotely surprising that he is averaging 9 pts less per game since he's now playing tougher competition and he is sharing the offensive load with Law and Pardon. I'm also not shocked his 3 pt shooting is 6% lower given more athletic defenses, but I do think he's capable of better given how pretty his shot is. The overall offensive flow is not great and I think that is also partly to blame.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

My biggest surprise was that he doesn't have the quickness to get separation from his defenders or the hops to shoot over them comfortably. It is not remotely surprising that he is averaging 9 pts less per game since he's now playing tougher competition and he is sharing the offensive load with Law and Pardon. I'm also not shocked his 3 pt shooting is 6% lower given more athletic defenses, but I do think he's capable of better given how pretty his shot is. The overall offensive flow is not great and I think that is also partly to blame.

I really think the superior athletic nature of starters in the B1G is the difference, IMHO. I still believe that if used as sixth man and in certain matchups, the coach could play him against comparable opponents to prior years.

There is no way MAC starters compare to the athletes that earn starting roles in the B1G at guard. CCC should recognize that talent difference as a former P5 starting guard.

 

[hoosboot]

I really think the superior athletic nature of starters in the B1G is the difference, IMHO. I still believe that if used as sixth man and in certain matchups, the coach could play him against comparable opponents to prior years.

There is no way MAC starters compare to the athletes that earn starting roles in the B1G at guard. CCC should recognize that talent difference as a former P5 starting guard.

It is a mistake to expect Taylor to be a guy who creates shots easily for himself off the dribble against B1G defenses. It's not a mistake to expect him to be able to score effectively in the B1G within the confines of a system that produces open looks. IMHO, we (as fans) have miscast Taylor.

 

[torque-cat]

It is a mistake to expect Taylor to be a guy who creates shots easily for himself off the dribble against B1G defenses. It's not a mistake to expect him to be able to score effectively in the B1G within the confines of a system that produces open looks. IMHO, we (as fans) have miscast Taylor.

He’s just not getting that many wide open looks. Partly he’s not athletic enough to get separation and partly our offense doesn’t seem to flow well. When he does shoot he seems to rush a little perhaps pressing but also worrying about the defense closing out.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I really think the superior athletic nature of starters in the B1G is the difference, IMHO. I still believe that if used as sixth man and in certain matchups, the coach could play him against comparable opponents to prior years.

There is no way MAC starters compare to the athletes that earn starting roles in the B1G at guard. CCC should recognize that talent difference as a former P5 starting guard.

MAC? You mean MVC.

 

[Sec_112]

...IMHO, we (as fans) have miscast Taylor.

... It's not a mistake to expect him to be able to score effectively in the B1G within the confines of a system that produces open looks ...

Us? Unreasonable expectations not based in reality? NO waaaaay!!

Welcome to most posts since January 1.

As for not getting shots, he's pretty average at best off the ball.

However, to be fair, I bet he was pressing early in the year. He looked like he was forcing and rushing his shot. And the rest of his game ... I'll just leave it there

 

[DaCat]

Us? Unreasonable expectations not based in reality? NO waaaaay!!

Welcome to most posts since January 1.

As for not getting shots, he's pretty average at best off the ball.

However, to be fair, I bet he was pressing early in the year. He looked like he was forcing and rushing his shot. And the rest of his game ... I'll just leave it there

He seems to have nice shot, but even when he is open, he still misses more than he should. I think it's in his head. He actually finishes well around the basket the few times he works inside, he has a smooth game and he seems to do it effortlessly.

 

[ThatadultfromHolland]

I don't see him being not athletic enough to get open shots. He can create off the dribble well enough. It's not an athletism problem from what I'm seeing. It's a not squaring up confidently problem. The dude keeps shooting off balance and fading slightly. The diffence between him being dead eye and bricking is stepping into his shot and squaring up. Still haven't seen him miss a shot stepping into it. But the minute he starts going off balance on a jumpshot it hits rim.

 

[Turk_rivals223269]

Could you imagine where we would be at if Taylor didn't come here? With the misses on Falzon and Rap, Brown (differences) Vasser, and one open scholarship, maybe Charlie could have received some minutes. Other than Law, these "Top 150" are not working out for us. Benson isn't 'wow' either and he was a top 150 and once 4 star. Whatever Iowa is doing, is working. Let's follow their plan and make it Plan B.

 

[willycat]

I don't see him being not athletic enough to get open shots. He can create off the dribble well enough. It's not an athletism problem from what I'm seeing. It's a not squaring up confidently problem. The dude keeps shooting off balance and fading slightly. The diffence between him being dead eye and bricking is stepping into his shot and squaring up. Still haven't seen him miss a shot stepping into it. But the minute he starts going off balance on a jumpshot it hits rim.

The difference is the competition he's up against in the Big Ten.

 

[JournCat]

He and Turner are both struggling because they haven't figured out how to create their own shots and aren't getting enough good setups for open threes. Maybe the biggest thing Collins can do for the program is force-feed Greer minutes the rest of the way. He's shown in spots that he can play. He has to improve on defense and gain confidence on offense, both of which will only happen with playing time. But if he doesn't develop or we don't find a transfer PG, we're going to fall into a very ugly cycle.

 

[Katatonic]

I don't see him being not athletic enough to get open shots. He can create off the dribble well enough. It's not an athletism problem from what I'm seeing. It's a not squaring up confidently problem. The dude keeps shooting off balance and fading slightly. The diffence between him being dead eye and bricking is stepping into his shot and squaring up. Still haven't seen him miss a shot stepping into it. But the minute he starts going off balance on a jumpshot it hits rim.

Taylor is definitely more athletic than Moore; part of the problem is the scheme.

Even w/ BMac, the 'Cats O has been way down when it has come to efficiency.

 

[go cats go_rivals310290]

He seems to have nice shot, but even when he is open, he still misses more than he should. I think it's in his head. He actually finishes well around the basket the few times he works inside, he has a smooth game and he seems to do it effortlessly.

Taylor's 3-pt FG% is up to .350 on the year. Over the past 5 games, he is shooting .515 (17 of 33) beyond the arc and is perfect from the free throw line (9 for 9).Taylor is a solid role player. He's 3rd on the team in scoring, 2nd on the team in steals per game, 3rd on the team in rebounds per game... It's clear that a lot of fans expected more out of him, but he's by far the most productive grad transfer we've had since Jared Swopshire in 2012-13.

Not being able to execute down the stretch to pull out at least a couple wins in the 3 or 4 games within reach against good teams this season is the difference between us having a pretty good season and (probably unfairly) blaming Ryan Taylor.

Personally, I blame our overall inefficiency on offense. We simply take too many bad shots and the offense doesn't work to create enough good shots.

 

[go cats go_rivals310290]

The difference is the competition he's up against in the Big Ten.

For what it's worth, Ryan Taylor is shooting .389 beyond the arc against B1G teams. Vic Law is shooting .269 beyond the arc against B1G teams. Just saying.

 

[Medill90]

Taylor is definitely more athletic than Moore; part of the problem is the scheme.

Even w/ BMac, the 'Cats O has been way down when it has come to efficiency.

The scheme. I think you're right.

 

[torque-cat]

For what it's worth, Ryan Taylor is shooting .389 beyond the arc against B1G teams. Vic Law is shooting .269 beyond the arc against B1G teams. Just saying.

Don't ruin a good message board debate with facts. Ruins the fun

 

[PurpleFaze]

He seems to have nice shot, but even when he is open, he still misses more than he should. I think it's in his head. He actually finishes well around the basket the few times he works inside, he has a smooth game and he seems to do it effortlessly.

Seems to be a streak/confidence shooter. Think he lost some confidence earlier in the year when he wasn't shooting well.

When he is shooting well in games it seems like we don't make it a big enough point of emphasis to feed him. He might hit a couple 3's then suddenly doesn't get another look for 7 minutes...

 

[PurpleFaze]

Taylor's 3-pt FG% is up to .350 on the year. Over the past 5 games, he is shooting .515 (17 of 33) beyond the arc and is perfect from the free throw line (9 for 9).Taylor is a solid role player. He's 3rd on the team in scoring, 2nd on the team in steals per game, 3rd on the team in rebounds per game... It's clear that a lot of fans expected more out of him, but he's by far the most productive grad transfer we've had since Jared Swopshire in 2012-13.

Not being able to execute down the stretch to pull out at least a couple wins in the 3 or 4 games within reach against good teams this season is the difference between us having a pretty good season and (probably unfairly) blaming Ryan Taylor.

Personally, I blame our overall inefficiency on offense. We simply take too many bad shots and the offense doesn't work to create enough good shots.

I like Law, but too many games he wants to control the offense especially down the stretch. The downside is too often guys like pardon and taylor don't get included enough in the offense. Some games it is a crime how few looks pardon gets considering his typical offensive efficiency

 

[Username Not Available]

Taylor seems to just jack up his first two threes hoping they go in, and then settles down and takes decent shots for most of the rest of the game unless he's pressed into forcing up bad shots for reasons - or at least that's what I've observed at the games.

He definitely doesn't have the kind of lateral quickness we'd just love to have on the court and his defense was pretty bad in the beginning. It has been getting better, but he gets beat and fouls too often for my taste.

 

[hdhntr1]

I really think the superior athletic nature of starters in the B1G is the difference, IMHO. I still believe that if used as sixth man and in certain matchups, the coach could play him against comparable opponents to prior years.

There is no way MAC starters compare to the athletes that earn starting roles in the B1G at guard. CCC should recognize that talent difference as a former P5 starting guard.

If we had a true PG, he likely would be more getting the ball in the flow of things. Turner is being forced into that role but not quite there.

 

[hdhntr1]

Taylor's 3-pt FG% is up to .350 on the year. Over the past 5 games, he is shooting .515 (17 of 33) beyond the arc and is perfect from the free throw line (9 for 9).Taylor is a solid role player. He's 3rd on the team in scoring, 2nd on the team in steals per game, 3rd on the team in rebounds per game... It's clear that a lot of fans expected more out of him, but he's by far the most productive grad transfer we've had since Jared Swopshire in 2012-13.

Not being able to execute down the stretch to pull out at least a couple wins in the 3 or 4 games within reach against good teams this season is the difference between us having a pretty good season and (probably unfairly) blaming Ryan Taylor.

Personally, I blame our overall inefficiency on offense. We simply take too many bad shots and the offense doesn't work to create enough good shots.

They are not adept at getting ball into Pardon and backout to create those open looks which leads to pressing.