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I'm a little worried about the 2026 class they're putting together. It's teetering on monster status.

I wouldn't sweat it - we've all seen what a "commitment" is worth these days and the chance the team will look the same from one year to the next is exactly zero, thanks to the portal can.
 
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I wouldn't sweat it - we've all seen what a "commitment" is worth these days and the chance the team will look the same from one year to the next is exactly zero, thanks to the portal can.
They haven't lost many historically. Of course, what they were doing to avert losing them, others are now also doing.
 
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They haven't lost many historically. Of course, what they were doing to avert losing them, others are now also doing.

Exactly - it's a new era. Let's see if Dilbert can find another enticement to retain them. Since everyone is now offering his previous treats, he needs something new and improved to up the ante... since he's "all in".
 
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Exactly - it's a new era. Let's see if Dilbert can find another enticement to retain them. Since everyone is now offering his previous treats, he needs something new and improved to up the ante... since he's "all in".
He'll do better than most. He's a better manager than he is a tactician.
 

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He'll do better than most. He's a better manager than he is a tactician.

That tactician bar for him is so low you could trip over it. Never heard of anyone offering him so much as an AC position before he wormed his way into Tommy's job.

But yes, his used car salesman and cheerleading skills appear to be his strengths.
 

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Never heard of anyone offering him so much as an AC position before he wormed his way into Tommy's job.

Per Wikipedia, fwiw, that was his title the year before taking over.

I always hate taking shots at his coaching climb, considering we basically tried to duplicate it.
 

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That tactician bar for him is so low you could trip over it. Never heard of anyone offering him so much as an AC position before he wormed his way into Tommy's job.

But yes, his used car salesman and cheerleading skills appear to be his strengths.
It's more about getting all the right people together than anything else.
 

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It's more about getting all the right people together than anything else.
I would agree that this is a large part of it. He has addressed a couple of big weaknesses in his staff in the past couple of years by bringing Matt Luke and Tom Allen onboard. We will see how those play out but on paper they are improvements. Klubnik also improved greatly last year and they probably make the playoffs again this year barring injury. I think a few schools like Ohio State have shot their load and can't run a deficit perpetually. Revenue sharing is also going to level the playing field a bit.
 

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I would agree that this is a large part of it. He has addressed a couple of big weaknesses in his staff in the past couple of years by bringing Matt Luke and Tom Allen onboard. We will see how those play out but on paper they are improvements. Klubnik also improved greatly last year and they probably make the playoffs again this year barring injury. I think a few schools like Ohio State have shot their load and can't run a deficit perpetually. Revenue sharing is also going to level the playing field a bit.
It still depends on having the revenue, from all sources, that enables a given school to be competitive with its peers. Consequently, at some point, salary caps might come into play. This is college athletics in a wacked-out world.
 

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I would agree that this is a large part of it. He has addressed a couple of big weaknesses in his staff in the past couple of years by bringing Matt Luke and Tom Allen onboard. We will see how those play out but on paper they are improvements. Klubnik also improved greatly last year and they probably make the playoffs again this year barring injury. I think a few schools like Ohio State have shot their load and can't run a deficit perpetually. Revenue sharing is also going to level the playing field a bit.
I'm not so sure about Ohio State. Their enrollment is 45,000 undergrads and 12,000 graduate students. Demand for tickets is so high that almost no one gets season tickets. Tickets are distributed by lottery with most fans getting selected for one game per season. The particular game is random selection as well so one year a fan might get a ticket to a B1G game and the next a ticket to a cupcake game. Their athletic revenue in 2024 was $255 million compared to $183 million for Carolina. They did have a deficit of $39 million but I have a feeling that national championship will take care of any shortfall in giving. Revenue sharing is going to hit every program. The programs with more money to start with will be in a better position to handle it.

FYI; Clemson had $193 million in revenue and broke close to even in 2024. UGA continued to be a rare profitable athletic department with a $47 million surplus on $241 million in revenue. Running athletic programs that show deficits seems to be no problem for most schools.
 

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I would agree that this is a large part of it. He has addressed a couple of big weaknesses in his staff in the past couple of years by bringing Matt Luke and Tom Allen onboard. We will see how those play out but on paper they are improvements. Klubnik also improved greatly last year and they probably make the playoffs again this year barring injury. I think a few schools like Ohio State have shot their load and can't run a deficit perpetually. Revenue sharing is also going to level the playing field a bit.
Surrounding yourselves with the right people can make YOU look really good.
Dablo did go off the rails with his hires for a while there!
 

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Per Wikipedia, fwiw, that was his title the year before taking over.

I always hate taking shots at his coaching climb, considering we basically tried to duplicate it.

I was talking outside of ClemTech.

And I don't. I've always found him to be slow-witted, disingenuous and I don't believe he'd have had much success anywhere else - he was in the right place at the right time. I can't see Wake Forest paying the kind of money, uh, I mean effectively recruiting the players they enticed to PCCC . The HBC used to get him so tongue-tied and flustered when he'd throw a barb at him - it was always good entertainment.

Others can respect him; I find him to be a Gumpian clown. JMO.
 

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I was talking outside of ClemTech.

And I don't. I've always found him to be slow-witted, disingenuous and I don't believe he'd have had much success anywhere else - he was in the right place at the right time. I can't see Wake Forest paying the kind of money, uh, I mean effectively recruiting the players they enticed to PCCC . The HBC used to get him so tongue-tied and flustered when he'd throw a barb at him - it was always good entertainment.

Others can respect him; I find him to be a Gumpian clown. JMO.

Perfectly reasonable opinion.

I just can't get behind it. Too much success for me. I'll stick to personal jabs.
 

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Perfectly reasonable opinion.

I just can't get behind it. Too much success for me. I'll stick to personal jabs.
Oh, I'll take plenty of those, too. ;)

I just see him as one of those people who was given an opportunity and is at least smart enough to know he is out of his depth regarding the technical aspects of the job, so he has to hire people who are exceptional in their area of expertise. He isn't qualified to evaluate their knowledge or their application of it, just their results and makes his staff decisions based on this.

Spurrier would get frustrated with how a game was going and take over the play-calling with masterful results. I believe it was an Auburn game a decade or so ago when he really displayed his in-game, on-the-fly skills. He knows both sides of the ball inside and out.
Gump Jr. doesn't have that quick-twitch brain nor does he have the knowledge to use it if he did. He's at his best when he stays out of the way of the people hired to do that.

But I'm of the opinion the condescending attitude he sometimes let peek out is his true demeanor and seems pretty foolish from someone who has garnered accolades based on the work and performance of others whom are far beyond his football acumen. And a lot of that success is the result of a special combination of location/timing/resources and not his particular skill set (right place, right time). It's obviously served him well - Chump could make Gump's eyes glaze over with his technical knowledge of the game but was a demonstrable failure in the organizational and execution aspects of his job. So, I see him as a fortunate, opportunistic figurehead with his hands in HR, not a football coach in the traditional sense... yet that's his job title.
Like the great American philosopher Clint Eastwood said, "A man's got to know his limitations". Words to live by. 👍
 

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Oh, I'll take plenty of those, too. ;)

I just see him as one of those people who was given an opportunity and is at least smart enough to know he is out of his depth regarding the technical aspects of the job, so he has to hire people who are exceptional in their area of expertise. He isn't qualified to evaluate their knowledge or their application of it, just their results and makes his staff decisions based on this.

Spurrier would get frustrated with how a game was going and take over the play-calling with masterful results. I believe it was an Auburn game a decade or so ago when he really displayed his in-game, on-the-fly skills. He knows both sides of the ball inside and out.
Gump Jr. doesn't have that quick-twitch brain nor does he have the knowledge to use it if he did. He's at his best when he stays out of the way of the people hired to do that.

But I'm of the opinion the condescending attitude he sometimes let peek out is his true demeanor and seems pretty foolish from someone who has garnered accolades based on the work and performance of others whom are far beyond his football acumen. And a lot of that success is the result of a special combination of location/timing/resources and not his particular skill set (right place, right time). It's obviously served him well - Chump could make Gump's eyes glaze over with his technical knowledge of the game but was a demonstrable failure in the organizational and execution aspects of his job. So, I see him as a fortunate, opportunistic figurehead with his hands in HR, not a football coach in the traditional sense... yet that's his job title.
Like the great American philosopher Clint Eastwood said, "A man's got to know his limitations". Words to live by. 👍

There is no doubt in my mind that spurrier and dabo/Beamer are wildly different coaches. Spurrier was hands on, and in control. Dabo is a cheerleader and a "CEO type" coach.

We've now tried both avenues.

I just cringe when I see certain insults thrown his way that also pertain to our current coach. It's like mocking the opposing team for wearing helmets.

But those are my more serious moments. I need to back into "message board banter" mode.
 

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There is no doubt in my mind that spurrier and dabo/Beamer are wildly different coaches. Spurrier was hands on, and in control. Dabo is a cheerleader and a "CEO type" coach.

We've now tried both avenues.

I just cringe when I see certain insults thrown his way that also pertain to our current coach. It's like mocking the opposing team for wearing helmets.

But those are my more serious moments. I need to back into "message board banter" mode.
Beamer is definitely Dabo 2.0, he might even be a little more emotional than Dabo.
 

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I'm not so sure about Ohio State. Their enrollment is 45,000 undergrads and 12,000 graduate students. Demand for tickets is so high that almost no one gets season tickets. Tickets are distributed by lottery with most fans getting selected for one game per season. The particular game is random selection as well so one year a fan might get a ticket to a B1G game and the next a ticket to a cupcake game. Their athletic revenue in 2024 was $255 million compared to $183 million for Carolina. They did have a deficit of $39 million but I have a feeling that national championship will take care of any shortfall in giving. Revenue sharing is going to hit every program. The programs with more money to start with will be in a better position to handle it.

FYI; Clemson had $193 million in revenue and broke close to even in 2024. UGA continued to be a rare profitable athletic department with a $47 million surplus on $241 million in revenue. Running athletic programs that show deficits seems to be no problem for most schools.
I seem to recall that when revenue sharing hits a ban on collectives is also planned. I think that sort of puts a cap on NIL or at least lets the free market take over with no skewing of the system by fans. I also recall that Clemson won in their battle with the ACC by achieving uneven revenue sharing. This may not put them on par with everyone but it substantially improves their lot in life.
 

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I seem to recall that when revenue sharing hits a ban on collectives is also planned. I think that sort of puts a cap on NIL or at least lets the free market take over with no skewing of the system by fans. I also recall that Clemson won in their battle with the ACC by achieving uneven revenue sharing. This may not put them on par with everyone but it substantially improves their lot in life.

I would love to see the collectives banned. But can they be? Some lawyer can always craft a deal between a booster and a player that is pay for play in everything except name.

And if that's true, can we ban boosters from doing it collectively?
 

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Beamer is definitely Dabo 2.0, he might even be a little more emotional than Dabo.
I agree. Beamer is never going to be SOS regarding "coaching". I'm not even sure he will be as good as his Dad. Beamer's strength will always be "recruiting" (like Dabo). If you combine this past season's high school recruiting with the transfer portal recruiting, we finished 11th in the nation (based on this site's rankings). Of course we also finished only 7th in the 16-school SEC. So, it's VERY important that we have above average coaching from his assistants in order to make noise nationally. The prior year's recruiting will always dictate what kind of season we have on the field. With NIL, you no longer are building a "program" for the long-term. You are building a "team" for the following season. If Beamer can annually produce results similar to last season's, he can wear a clown outfit on the sideline and, I will be fine with that.
 

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I agree. Beamer is never going to be SOS regarding "coaching". I'm not even sure he will be as good as his Dad. Beamer's strength will always be "recruiting" (like Dabo). If you combine this past season's high school recruiting with the transfer portal recruiting, we finished 11th in the nation (based on this site's rankings). Of course we also finished only 7th in the 16-school SEC. So, it's VERY important that we have above average coaching from his assistants in order to make noise nationally. The prior year's recruiting will always dictate what kind of season we have on the field. With NIL, you no longer are building a "program" for the long-term. You are building a "team" for the following season. If Beamer can annually produce results similar to last season's, he can wear a clown outfit on the sideline and, I will be fine with that.
I think Beamer's success, record wise each season, is going to depend a lot on the strength of the competition. The schedule last season looked much harder on paper than it was in reality. I see recruiting and coaching being definitely middle of the pack in the SEC, pretty much like it has been since 1992. I don't think the portal is a tool that will build a top tier team. I think it is more of a tool to plug a hole or shore up a position group.

I see Beamer as a 7 to 8 win a season coach with an occasional 9 or 10 win season and, unfortunately, some 4 or 5 win seasons thrown in. I think the schedule will determine what kind of season we get.
 

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I wouldn't sweat it - we've all seen what a "commitment" is worth these days and the chance the team will look the same from one year to the next is exactly zero, thanks to the portal can.
Im with Rhode Island on this one. I want there to be a tarnish on CLem-tech and recruiting to take a nose-dive. WE need for them to not continue to stack great DL and LB's. This class is loaded with skill players. Need them to become
 

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Im with Rhode Island on this one. I want there to be a tarnish on CLem-tech and recruiting to take a nose-dive. WE need for them to not continue to stack great DL and LB's. This class is loaded with skill players. Need them to become
Until Carolina becomes a more highly regarded team in general, Clemson's recruiting and our recruiting really won't intersect very much. They aren't taking recruits from us, they are battling with UGA, Bama, UF, etc. for recruits.
 

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I would love to see the collectives banned. But can they be? Some lawyer can always craft a deal between a booster and a player that is pay for play in everything except name.

And if that's true, can we ban boosters from doing it collectively?
I think you can ban university employees from being actively involved or knowledgeable of a collective. Sure, people will also cheat and try to get around rules to gain an advantage so the controls need to be put on coaches and atheletic department employees. You would probably need to make it like sexual harassment or bribery. These things still happen but you can make unreported knowledge of them cause for dismissal and with time the collectives will dwindle.
 
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I think you can ban university employees from being actively involved or knowledgeable of a collective. Sure, people will also cheat and try to get around rules to gain an advantage so the controls need to be put on coaches and atheletic department employees. You would probably need to make it like sexual harassment or bribery. These things still happen but you can make unreported knowledge of them cause for dismissal and with time the collectives will dwindle.
I suppose you could also make participation in a collective a reason to lose eligibility and your could make creation of one or participation in one a reason to be disassociated from a university's sports programs (cancel season tickets, ban from booster clubs, etc... which amount to public shaming). I guess it would be equivalent to a non-compete clause in an employment contract. (If you are going to accept money from us then you can't also accept it from other entities related to the work you do for us.)