Semi-Finals csrupp vs. jcrow10

[DraftCat]

Welcome to the 1st All-Time MLB Draft in Paddock's.

Voters the goal was to draft a MLB roster of legends that will compete in a hypothetical
7 game World Series. Please vote on who you believe would win out of the two teams.


@csrupp.....................................Pitching Rotation:

1. Joe Morgan-2b..........................SP-Tom Seaver
2. Shoeless Joe Jackson-LF.........SP-Kid Nichols
3. Mickey Mantle-CF.....................SP-Bert Blyleven
4. Mel Ott-RF................................SP-DavidCone
5. Jimmie Foxx-1b........................CP- Lee Smith
6. Jim Thome-3b
7. Carlton Fisk-C
8. Francisco Lindor-SS

Bench:
Cody Bellinger-OF
Ronald Acuna JR. -OF
Alex Bregman-IF


@jcrow10

Vs RHP.....................................Vs. LHP
1. RF Ichiro Suzuki...................1. RF Ichiro Suzuki L
2. 1B Joey Votto L...................2. 1B Joey Votto L
3. CF Willie Mays R.................3. CF Willie Mays R
4. 3B Adrian Beltre R...............4. 3B Adrian Beltre R
5. 2B Robinson Cano L...........5. SS Barry Larkin R
6. SS Barry Larkin R................6. LF Eric Davis R
7. LF Moises Alou R................7. C Roy Campanella R
8. C Roy Campanella R..........8. 2B Robinson Cano L

BN C/1B Victor Martinez S.....BN LF/RF Moises Alou R
BN LF/CF/RF Eric Davis R......BN C/1B Victor Martinez S
BN SS/3B Maury Wills S.........BN SS/3B Maury Wills S

Rotation:

1. Roy Halladay RHP
2. Johan Santana LHP
3. Don Drysdale RHP
4. C.C. Sabathia LHP
Closer- Francisco "K-Rod" Rodriguez

 

[csrupp]

Career WAR comparison between they 2 teams:

Morgan: 100.5 Ichiro: 59.7
Jackson: 62.1 Votto: 62
Mantle: 110.2 Mays: 156.2
Ott: 110.7 Beltre: 93.6
Foxx: 93.9 Cano: 68
Thome: 72.9 Larkin: 70.5
Fisk: 68.4 Alou: 39.9
Lindor: 27.9 Campanella: 35.6

Bellinger: 17.3 Martinez: 31.9
Acuna: 9.9 Davis: 36.1
Bregman: 22.4 Wills: 39.8

Tom Seaver: 109.9 Halladay: 64.2
Kid Nichols: 116.3 Santana: 51.7
Blyleven: 94.5 Drysdale: 61.3
Cone: 62.3 Sabathia: 62.5

Smith: 28.9 Rodriguez: 24.1

Starting line up combined WAR:
646.6 - 585.5

Bench WAR:
49.6 - 107.8

Starting Pitchers:
383 - 245.5

Closers:
28.9 - 24.1

Combined team WAR:
1108.1 - 957.1

Starting lineup:
Mine is better. It's close but mine is better none the less.

Bench:
His bench has a higher WAR but by the end of their career Bellinger, Acuna, and Bregman will almost certainly have a higher combined WAR.

162 game average:
Bellinger- 40 HR 104 RBI 105R 14 SB
Acuna- 41 HR 100 RBI 124 R 32 SB
Bregman- 31 HR 100 RBI 108 R 11 SB

Starting Pitchers:
Here is where my team has the massive advantage in this matchup. According to career WAR, I have the 4th, 7th, 12th and 55th best starters in the history of MLB. Jcrow's starters rank 43rd, 53rd, 56th, and 98th. This is, as I stated above, a massive advantage.
Closers:

Lee Smith had 478 career saves and was considered the best closer of all-time when he retired. He is still consider a top 5 closer.

Conclusion:

My team has the better lineup, starting staff, and closer. The argument could be made that my bench is better. My team has a 151 higher combined WAR and that is with me having 3 of the modern young stars in baseball on my bench and another as my starting SS. Just imagine how much WAR the will add by the end of their careers. I like my team.

 

[csrupp]

Perhaps the fairest metric to use is JAWS:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/about/jaws.shtml

JAWS averages career WAR with 7-year peak WAR. Using this metric is used to measure Hall of Fame worthiness.

Here is how the teams compare:

Morgan: 79.9 Ichiro: 51.7
Jackson: 57.3 Votto: 54.4
Mantle: 87.4 Mays: 114.9
Ott: 82.4 Beltre: 71.2
Foxx: 75.8 Cano: 58.7
Thome: 57.2 Larkin: 56.9
Fisk: 53 Alou: 33.8
Lindor: 27.6 Campanella: 35

Bellinger: 17.3 Martinez: 30.4
Acuna: 9.9 Davis: 33.1
Bregman: 22.4 Wills: 34.7

Tom Seaver: 84.6 Halladay: 57.4
Kid Nichols: 95.3 Santana: 48.3
Blyleven: 72.4 Drysdale: 55.9
Cone: 52.8 Sabathia: 50.9

Smith: 24.8 Rodriguez: 20.9

Starting line up combined JAWS:
520.6 - 476.6

Bench JAWS:
49.6 - 98.2

Starting Pitchers:
305.1 - 212.5

Closers:
24.8 - 20.9

Combined team JAWS:
900.1 - 808.2

Again, I have the lineup advantage and a massive advantage in the starting rotation. My bench is much worse using this metric but it is punished for youth not for talent. I also have a pretty big advantage at closer as well.

I simply can't find any justification for not voting for my team.

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[JamesIII]

Yeah, WAR isn't the end all be all metric. Give me a few hours and I can counter your argument after I get off of work.