Shot Selection and Pace of the Game

catfans5

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When NU plays OSU, I always think of Thad Matta. He certainly had great talent which makes coaching much easier. I am also not advocating hiring him. I saw his team play live every time they came to WR and many B10 Championship tourneys and Championship games. His teams' shot selection was very, very good. They never seemed to take stupid shots.

I watch our current team and we take some absolutely misguided or terrible shots. I just do not understand it. I also do not understand why we play the faster pace when we lose the rebounding battle. I just cringe and shake my head when I see some shots thrown up.
 

MCC_Cat

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Audige's shot selection is so poor but he's skilled enough to make some of them. The problem is once he starts to try to score it's a one track mind with no turning back. Not playing good team basketball down the stretch today was the clincher, those last few possessions were atrocious and Audige was responsible for 4 of them by my count.

Yes he had 25 pts but took 23 shors. Would love to see him set up teammates now that the scouting report on him is basically, "it's going up."
 

TejasCat

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I guess the faster pace is to get better shots, push the ball down before the defense sets up.

I'm not an Audige fan at all. Sure he will get hot every 4-5 games, but just not a team player. And if he makes a few shots, then expect 3-4 crappy forced shots in the next few mins. Collins has to get on his a$$ about the poor shot selection. He has potential if he can play within the system, maybe he will grow into that.
 

TheC

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When NU plays OSU, I always think of Thad Matta. He certainly had great talent which makes coaching much easier. I am also not advocating hiring him. I saw his team play live every time they came to WR and many B10 Championship tourneys and Championship games. His teams' shot selection was very, very good. They never seemed to take stupid shots.

I watch our current team and we take some absolutely misguided or terrible shots. I just do not understand it. I also do not understand why we play the faster pace when we lose the rebounding battle. I just cringe and shake my head when I see some shots thrown up.
We take terrible shots because we can't get open ones. We still lack the talent the rest of the league (except for maybe PSU and Nebraska) has.
 

catfans5

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We take terrible shots because we can't get open ones. We still lack the talent the rest of the league (except for maybe PSU and Nebraska) has.

I thought last night was a good match up for us.

I understand jacking up a shot at the end of the clock. We seem to force shots early in the clock.

The other coaches are also paid millions to watch tape. The way I see it is that the book on Boo and Chase is when they drive, it’s going up. Teams have made that adjustment.
 

Sec_112

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I'm old school. I don't understand the thinking that you pop a quick three early in the shot clock. And this has obviously been part of Collins' strategy for years.

I can understand it for strong teams. But any team that is less than strong - and that's what most NU teams are ... even the NCAA team - you're simply taking a lower percentage shot and spending more effort on defense.

Collins has said it many times in the past. He won't tell anyone not to shoot. It's obvious his players have a bright green light.

I understand that he needs to build some confidence in his teams, but that lack of shot discipline is a real killer.
 
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GatoLouco

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Old school or new school. No player should be told not to shoot a good shot. Emphasis on "good".

Jacking up a 3 early is fine if it's a good shot. Higher percentage shot than likely to find in the 30 seconds of offense. But truth is we jack up a lot of bad, rushed ones.
 

Sec_112

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Last night, I thought 1-11 from 3 in the first half was as much a killer as anything. And a majority of those shots were good, strong looks.
 

willycat

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Audige's shot selection is so poor but he's skilled enough to make some of them. The problem is once he starts to try to score it's a one track mind with no turning back. Not playing good team basketball down the stretch today was the clincher, those last few possessions were atrocious and Audige was responsible for 4 of them by my count.

Yes he had 25 pts but took 23 shors. Would love to see him set up teammates now that the scouting report on him is basically, "it's going up."
How many assists did he have? How about for the season.
 

Figrating

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I wish shot SELECTION were the problem. We've seen this team shoot better, but for some reason they're missing way too often. And they're getting into a habit of going into mid-game slumps when nobody can make a shot. That's about what happened again against duh-OSU. Once behind by 10, they started to play even with them again.

Things were so hopeful for a few games, but the team does not look good right now. Looking for answers...
 

JournCat

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I'm old school. I don't understand the thinking that you pop a quick three early in the shot clock. And this has obviously been part of Collins' strategy for years.

I can understand it for strong teams. But any team that is less than strong - and that's what most NU teams are ... even the NCAA team - you're simply taking a lower percentage shot and spending more effort on defense.

Collins has said it many times in the past. He won't tell anyone not to shoot. It's obvious his players have a bright green light.

I understand that he needs to build some confidence in his teams, but that lack of shot discipline is a real killer.

Everyone loves those early threes when they go in. And if they're open/makeable, we should take them, especially in games where our sets aren't producing great shots.
 

Sec_112

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... when they go in ...

Key phrase.

And on the ABSOLUTE BEST teams, they go in only 40% of the time.

NU has long proven not to be one of those strong shooting teams. So at some point - especially when you're 1-11 - you need to preach the flexibility of an inside or mid-range game also.
 

JournCat

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Key phrase.

And on the ABSOLUTE BEST teams, they go in only 40% of the time.

NU has long proven not to be one of those strong shooting teams. So at some point - especially when you're 1-11 - you need to preach the flexibility of an inside or mid-range game also.

A very rough and possibly erroneous attempt at math to follow. Kopp, Beran, Buie, and Nance all shoot 33% or better from 3. (Nance is the lowest of the four at exactly .333. Buie is third at .385.) Let's say those four can make open threes at a 35% rate, which works out to 1.05 points expected from that possession. Right now, we're averaging 1.05 points per possession for the season, but about 0.9 points in the last three games. If the open threes are there for guys who shoot that well, they should take them in any scenario. You could just as easily argue that outside shooting opens up the post for Young or the mid-range moves that Kopp and Nance can both make.
 

PurpleFaze

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Audige and Boo like to chuck it. Problem is when they aren’t dropping it kills the offense. We cut it to 1 last night and then then next few possessions the shots were not good culminating in that Boo 3 attempt from about 5 feet beyond the arc.
 

CappyNU

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So here's my chart for 3's last night:

18:32 1H Buie, miss, contested NBA-range on break 3 seconds into possession
16:55 1H Audige, miss, contested off screen
16:29 1H Audige, make, contested
15:20 1H Buie, miss, contested NBA-range
11:36 1H Audige, miss, contested
10:07 1H Berry, miss, open
09:42 1H Kopp, miss, open, went halfway down before spinning out
09:16 1H Buie, miss, open NBA-range
09:11 1H Kopp, miss, open
08:42 1H Berry, miss, open
01:16 1H Audige, miss, open, went halfway down before spinning out

17:53 2H Audige, miss, contested
15:22 2H Beran, miss, contested
14:23 2H Kopp, make, open
13:52 2H Kopp, make, contested, fade bank-shot
11:45 2H Buie, miss, open NBA-range
11:12 2H Kopp, miss, open
07:15 2H Audige, miss, contested
05:11 2H Nance, make, open
04:21 2H Buie, make, contested, NBA-range
03:02 2H Audige, miss, contested
02:38 2H Buie, miss, open, beyond NBA-range
00:59 2H Nance, make, contested

So by my accounting, that's 4-12 on contested shots and 2-11 on open shots (barf).

Kopp missed two open 3's that he normally makes, and made his one contested shot off the inbounds play. Every one of Buie's 3's was from NBA-range or further and missed all 3 that I considered open shots, though at that range I'm not sure what open really means when you're just chucking it up. Only one of Audige's 7 3's was an open shot, and it should've gone in. We missed 6 straight open 3's in the first half, 5 if them in a 1:30 span. Berry needs to make those if he wants playing time, considering he is an absolute defensive liability right now.
 

Dugan15

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So here's my chart for 3's last night:

18:32 1H Buie, miss, contested NBA-range on break 3 seconds into possession
16:55 1H Audige, miss, contested off screen
16:29 1H Audige, make, contested
15:20 1H Buie, miss, contested NBA-range
11:36 1H Audige, miss, contested
10:07 1H Berry, miss, open
09:42 1H Kopp, miss, open, went halfway down before spinning out
09:16 1H Buie, miss, open NBA-range
09:11 1H Kopp, miss, open
08:42 1H Berry, miss, open
01:16 1H Audige, miss, open, went halfway down before spinning out

17:53 2H Audige, miss, contested
15:22 2H Beran, miss, contested
14:23 2H Kopp, make, open
13:52 2H Kopp, make, contested, fade bank-shot
11:45 2H Buie, miss, open NBA-range
11:12 2H Kopp, miss, open
07:15 2H Audige, miss, contested
05:11 2H Nance, make, open
04:21 2H Buie, make, contested, NBA-range
03:02 2H Audige, miss, contested
02:38 2H Buie, miss, open, beyond NBA-range
00:59 2H Nance, make, contested

So by my accounting, that's 4-12 on contested shots and 2-11 on open shots (barf).

Kopp missed two open 3's that he normally makes, and made his one contested shot off the inbounds play. Every one of Buie's 3's was from NBA-range or further and missed all 3 that I considered open shots, though at that range I'm not sure what open really means when you're just chucking it up. Only one of Audige's 7 3's was an open shot, and it should've gone in. We missed 6 straight open 3's in the first half, 5 if them in a 1:30 span. Berry needs to make those if he wants playing time, considering he is an absolute defensive liability right now.
Cappy: This is great. I am glad you said this...but Buie’s shot at 9:16 of the 1st half may have been one of the worst shots I have ever seen hoisted up. Yes...open, but simply a horrid shot. 2 of his 3 pointers in the 2nd half were likewise head-scratchers, even if one of them went in.
 

SimpsonElmwood

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So here's my chart for 3's last night:

18:32 1H Buie, miss, contested NBA-range on break 3 seconds into possession
16:55 1H Audige, miss, contested off screen
16:29 1H Audige, make, contested
15:20 1H Buie, miss, contested NBA-range
11:36 1H Audige, miss, contested
10:07 1H Berry, miss, open
09:42 1H Kopp, miss, open, went halfway down before spinning out
09:16 1H Buie, miss, open NBA-range
09:11 1H Kopp, miss, open
08:42 1H Berry, miss, open
01:16 1H Audige, miss, open, went halfway down before spinning out

17:53 2H Audige, miss, contested
15:22 2H Beran, miss, contested
14:23 2H Kopp, make, open
13:52 2H Kopp, make, contested, fade bank-shot
11:45 2H Buie, miss, open NBA-range
11:12 2H Kopp, miss, open
07:15 2H Audige, miss, contested
05:11 2H Nance, make, open
04:21 2H Buie, make, contested, NBA-range
03:02 2H Audige, miss, contested
02:38 2H Buie, miss, open, beyond NBA-range
00:59 2H Nance, make, contested

So by my accounting, that's 4-12 on contested shots and 2-11 on open shots (barf).

Kopp missed two open 3's that he normally makes, and made his one contested shot off the inbounds play. Every one of Buie's 3's was from NBA-range or further and missed all 3 that I considered open shots, though at that range I'm not sure what open really means when you're just chucking it up. Only one of Audige's 7 3's was an open shot, and it should've gone in. We missed 6 straight open 3's in the first half, 5 if them in a 1:30 span. Berry needs to make those if he wants playing time, considering he is an absolute defensive liability right now.
Thanks for this. The first half was closer than the score indicated. On another night, some of the open shots go in and it’s a different game. Ahrens and Washington made a couple of tough contested shots. That’s 8 to 10 points or more that could have broken our way.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I watched the game closely because it felt like we had a chance to come back and steal one in the 2H.

And it turned out we could have. I’ve never played anywhere close to the D1 level but I am sure that coming back from 9 down with less than 8 minutes left take a lot of energy. It’s tough to sustain that all the way to the end.

Coming into this year, how many of us would have taken 3-4 in the B1G? We all would have been delighted. This team has the ability, depth and coaching to get to postseason this year. We should be excited to see what unfolds.
 

CappyNU

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Collins also didn't sub in the last 9:26 of the game, which included the comeback followed by the letdown, but to be fair to him, he really didn't have anyone else to put in. Greer and Berry were obliterated on defense and we struggled to score with Gaines and Young playing. I think we would've had a much better chance to win if Nance stayed out of foul trouble.
 

docrugby1

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Beran will usually have a significant height advantage over his defender-can he play down low or is he simply a 6'10" 3 point shooter.

NU is one of the tallest teams in the NCAA but we rely on 3 point shooting. Beran seems to be an underutilized asset. If they double Beran or Nance low both should be able to pass to someone for an open 3. NU doubling the post has lead to open 3s for opponents , maybe NU could do the same. Teams typically do not double Young so post Beran or Nance and see if we get some open shots.
 

macarthur31

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Beran will usually have a significant height advantage over his defender-can he play down low or is he simply a 6'10" 3 point shooter.

NU is one of the tallest teams in the NCAA but we rely on 3 point shooting. Beran seems to be an underutilized asset. If they double Beran or Nance low both should be able to pass to someone for an open 3. NU doubling the post has lead to open 3s for opponents , maybe NU could do the same. Teams typically do not double Young so post Beran or Nance and see if we get some open shots.

To me, Robbie Beran is the guy who has to emerge as a legit two way player. Defensively, he can cover 3-5 on switches with his length (33rd among B1G players in Block rate), and he can clean glass (currently 22nd overall in DefReb% among B1G players at 17.5). So, the tools are there. However, he's been prone to fouling - he's the 89th ranked in that stat, which is the worst among all B1G players who've played at least 40% of minutes - the kenpom qualifer in this category. Dude's gotta be able to stay on the court to be effective.

On the offensive side he's been effective from 3 (41.7% overall, 33% in B1G), the Offensive rating is ticking up (was 92.1 in B1G last year, now 98.8). He protects the ball - 5th overall in B1G on TO%, so he won't give it away. He can make the right pass as his assist rate is pretty good in B1G (15.5) He's stumbled on making 2's though - and from what I've seen it's shown as his inability to finish effectively on dribble drives after aggressive closeouts.

We need Robbie to take that next step - and by doing so, he can free up some space/oxygen for other players to get cleaner looks. The problem is that the way our offense runs, he's not getting first looks. Shoot, if Miller Kopp ain't taking jumpers until 10 minutes into a game, then Robbie ain't gonna shoot it (OSU game he had 3 shots in 24 minutes of play - His B1G best was Michigan, 14 points on 10 shots, 122 ORtg, but that was all empty calorie points in a blowout).

Unfortunately, this gauntlet of a season is pretty tough time to learn on the job. I hope we can get more out of him in the back 10 of the B1G sked.
 

hdhntr1

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Everyone loves those early threes when they go in. And if they're open/makeable, we should take them, especially in games where our sets aren't producing great shots.
They were not going in. And they were very descent open shots. We had Buie, Nance and Kopp all having off games and yet they were still in it. Buie tried at all ranges and when they did not go in he went more to facilitating (till the open 3 from long range went in. First one that fond the bottom of the net in 3 games and then he had to try one from about half court) They were able to claw back into the game but then they
 

rogerkim

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NU is one of the tallest teams in the NCAA but we rely on 3 point shooting. Beran seems to be an underutilized asset. If they double Beran or Nance low both should be able to pass to someone for an open 3. NU doubling the post has lead to open 3s for opponents , maybe NU could do the same. Teams typically do not double Young so post Beran or Nance and see if we get some open shots.

Good in theory, but doesn't carry over in practice. The primary reason I don't think we've been able to do this is that Nance and Beran don't have the low post technique or strength that demands that the other team double-team them. I think most other Big Ten teams are content to play all three of our bigs straight up, without double-teams, so when we feed them inside, the kick-out pass doesn't always lead to an open shooter, since the help defense never came in the first place.

Until our bigs can demonstrate an ability to score inside on a consistent basis, whether that's from the low post (Young) or high post (Nance and Beran), there really is no reason for the opposing defenses to double team.
 

CappyNU

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A continuing series...

18:10 1H Beran, miss, open
17:34 1H Beran, miss, wide-open
16:07 1H Buie, miss, open
15:44 1H Buie, make, open, NBA-range
13:10 1H Buie, make, open, beyond NBA-range
12:35 1H Buie, make, contested, NBA-range
11:55 1H Gaines, miss, wide-open
11:32 1H Buie, make, open, NBA-range
10:02 1H Greer, make, open
09:19 1H Berry, miss, contested, NBA-range, airball, not even close
08:23 1H Greer, make, wide-open
07:21 1H Audige, miss, contested, step-back
06:50 1H Audige, miss, wide-open
06:20 1H Buie, miss, contested, quick in transition
05:43 1H Nance, miss, contested
03:49 1H Berry, miss, contested, hit side of backboard
02:34 1H Nance, miss, open
01:53 1H Kopp, miss, contested

18:44 2H Beran, miss, wide-open
16:11 2H Audige, miss, wide-open
15:30 2H Gaines, miss, contested
13:36 2H Gaines, make, wide-open
12:55 2H Berry, miss, wide-open
12:28 2H Buie, miss, contested, awful choice
11:05 2H Kopp, miss, contested, blocked
09:31 2H Greer, make, open
07:13 2H Kopp, miss, open
05:41 2H Beran, miss, wide-open
04:27 2H Berry, miss, open
04:11 2H Buie, miss, contested
03:53 2H Beran, miss, wide-open
01:44 2H Berry, miss, contested
01:29 2H Berry, make, contested

So that's 2-10 on wide-open 3's with no one anywhere near (don't think we had any of these against OSU), 5-10 on regular open 3's, and 2-13 on contested 3's. We were 6-11 in the first 12 minutes of the game when we led 29-28, then missed our next 12 of 13 while Iowa opened up the 27-point lead. In addition, Iowa managed to keep Kopp from taking any 3's through 18 minutes of the 1st half, Berry continues to take and miss some truly terrible shots, and Beran went 0-4 on wide-open 3's. Also, outside of Buie's 4-minute stretch on fire, he was pretty terrible.

These guys have shown they can make these shots in the past, and it's just inexcusable to be 20% on shots when no one is anywhere near you. I don't know what the answer is here, other than playing non-elite teams.
 

SimpsonElmwood

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Yesterday's shooting was downright embarrassing. Defensively it's even worse.

I can't stand Iowa and it's so irritating to see them get wide open looks. Early in this streak I was chalking up opponents' high shooting percentages to bad luck (for Northwestern). Now is see it as extremely poor defense - schematic issues as well as simply not wanting it enough. On that side of the ball, we do not cause anyone to fear us. It's almost like shooting in an open gym. It would be almost ok if we were well-positioned for rebounds and ready to fight for them but we don't excel in that department either.
 

SDakaGordie

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Yesterday's shooting was downright embarrassing. Defensively it's even worse.

I can't stand Iowa and it's so irritating to see them get wide open looks. Early in this streak I was chalking up opponents' high shooting percentages to bad luck (for Northwestern). Now is see it as extremely poor defense - schematic issues as well as simply not wanting it enough. On that side of the ball, we do not cause anyone to fear us. It's almost like shooting in an open gym. It would be almost ok if we were well-positioned for rebounds and ready to fight for them but we don't excel in that department either.
They have Garza; we don’t.
 

CappyNU

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More of the same...

19:11 1H Audige, miss, wide-open
17:06 1H Buie, miss, open, NBA-range
16:36 1H Beran, miss, open, awful miss
13:22 1H Buie, miss, contested, NBA-range
12:49 1H Gaines, make, wide-open
09:24 1H Beran, miss, wide-open
08:24 1H Nance, make, open
06:58 1H Buie, miss, open
05:02 1H Audige, make, open
03:50 1H Audige, make, contested
01:35 1H Beran, miss, contested

17:43 2H Buie, make, contested, NBA-range
15:02 2H Buie, miss, contested, airball
13:27 2H Berry, miss, open
12:58 2H Beran, miss, wide-open
10:26 2H Audige, make, wide-open
09:54 2H Nance, miss, wide-open
08:37 2H Kopp, miss, open
07:54 2H Kopp, miss, wide-open
07:01 2H Beran, miss, contested
06:45 2H Buie, miss, open
05:05 2H Buie, miss, open
03:45 2H Audige, make, contested

2-7 wide-open, 2-9 open, 3-7 contested. If we make 4 more of those open/wide-open shots this is a ballgame, but we didn't, so it was a blowout. It remains inexcusable that Kopp isn't putting up more shots and that he didn't take any until the 2nd half.
 

DaCat

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More of the same...

19:11 1H Audige, miss, wide-open
17:06 1H Buie, miss, open, NBA-range
16:36 1H Beran, miss, open, awful miss
13:22 1H Buie, miss, contested, NBA-range
12:49 1H Gaines, make, wide-open
09:24 1H Beran, miss, wide-open
08:24 1H Nance, make, open
06:58 1H Buie, miss, open
05:02 1H Audige, make, open
03:50 1H Audige, make, contested
01:35 1H Beran, miss, contested

17:43 2H Buie, make, contested, NBA-range
15:02 2H Buie, miss, contested, airball
13:27 2H Berry, miss, open
12:58 2H Beran, miss, wide-open
10:26 2H Audige, make, wide-open
09:54 2H Nance, miss, wide-open
08:37 2H Kopp, miss, open
07:54 2H Kopp, miss, wide-open
07:01 2H Beran, miss, contested
06:45 2H Buie, miss, open
05:05 2H Buie, miss, open
03:45 2H Audige, make, contested

2-7 wide-open, 2-9 open, 3-7 contested. If we make 4 more of those open/wide-open shots this is a ballgame, but we didn't, so it was a blowout. It remains inexcusable that Kopp isn't putting up more shots and that he didn't take any until the 2nd half.
This is what drives me crazy. This team, and for several years now, just can't make open shots. I don't know what it is. I don't buy that we don't have good enough players, and we can't get open. I have seen plenty of open shots that we missed. No matter who, they just don't make the shots that they were making in high school, and I presume in practice. Mentally soft is all that I can think of at this time.
 

hdhntr1

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I'm old school. I don't understand the thinking that you pop a quick three early in the shot clock. And this has obviously been part of Collins' strategy for years.

I can understand it for strong teams. But any team that is less than strong - and that's what most NU teams are ... even the NCAA team - you're simply taking a lower percentage shot and spending more effort on defense.

Collins has said it many times in the past. He won't tell anyone not to shoot. It's obvious his players have a bright green light.

I understand that he needs to build some confidence in his teams, but that lack of shot discipline is a real killer.
Collins suggested that it is a fine line. To a certain extent damned if you do and damned if you don't He doesn't want them taking ridiculous shots but he does want them to take them when they are open. But the shots need to be open ones. That is why last night when Berran would not take the open shot, he was pulled and Buie needed to be pulled after a couple of his that were of the ridiculous nature
 

MCC_Cat

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I really wish Collins would shake up the starting lineup just to try something different and see if that works, maybe gets us off to a better start. He always says it's not who starts it's who finishes so if that's the case he shouldn't worry about hurt feelings if he starts a new 5, let's see how it works and you can still finish the game with whoever's producing that evening.
 

willycat

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I really wish Collins would shake up the starting lineup just to try something different and see if that works, maybe gets us off to a better start. He always says it's not who starts it's who finishes so if that's the case he shouldn't worry about hurt feelings if he starts a new 5, let's see how it works and you can still finish the game with whoever's producing that evening.
And just who would that "new" five be? Michelson. Gaines, Greer, Berry and who?
 

MCC_Cat

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And just who would that "new" five be? Michelson. Gaines, Greer, Berry and who?
Not a COMPLETELY new 5, just change some pieces out. Like start Young for instance and put Nance back at the 4, for starters.
 

PurpleFaze

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Boo needs to learn there are consequences for bad decisions/shot selection. Greer has proven he is Big 10 capable for some minutes and can at least play within his ability and the team concept.

I like the talent of Audige and Boo, but until CC can reign them in they are hurting us more than helping other than the few nights they are on fire shooting.
 

MCC_Cat

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Boo needs to learn there are consequences for bad decisions/shot selection. Greer has proven he is Big 10 capable for some minutes and can at least play within his ability and the team concept.

I like the talent of Audige and Boo, but until CC can reign them in they are hurting us more than helping other than the few nights they are on fire shooting.
100%. Seems like very few times anyone has ever said this year about NU BBall the phrase that marks a good basketball team, "They turned down a good shot for a better shot."
 

SDakaGordie

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With a very young team that won its first 3 BigTen games, I can understand Collins not wanting to bench people for significant periods of time. I definitely have seen many instances where he has an appropriately quick trigger to yank players that don’t do what he wants. It’s a fine line he’s walking - allowing his team the chance to succeed in the type of game he is recruiting on and frankly banking his whole career on - an athletic and fast-paced NBA style. I personally would bench Buie for slightly longer periods, but I’m not the coach, and so I still have faith he has a plan and is sticking to it.
 

CappyNU

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Last night's game:

17:51 1H Audige, miss, wide-open
14:56 1H Buie, miss, contested
14:50 1H Kopp, miss, open
12:40 1H Berry, miss, wide-open
11:40 1H Berry, make, wide-open
10:15 1H Buie, miss, contested, poor choice
06:52 1H Kopp, make, open
06:12 1H Kopp, miss, wide-open
05:17 1H Berry, miss, contested
04:16 1H Audige, make, contested
02:26 1H Audige, make, wide-open

00:40 1H Nance, miss, contested

19:16 2H Nance, miss, contested
13:52 2H Audige, miss, contested
12:13 2H Kopp, miss, contested
11:17 2H Nance, miss, open
10:46 2H Audige, miss, contested
08:42 2H Kopp, miss, wide-open
08:20 2H Kopp, miss, wide-open
00:15 2H Nance, miss, contested

2-7 on wide-open shots including 0-3 from Kopp, 1-3 on open shots, and 1-10 on contested shots. 0-8 in the 2nd half... Note that in the second half during our run we didn't shoot a single 3-pointer in cutting the lead from 15 down to 5, though we did shoot 3-5 (bolded) during the 1st half 18-3 run.

Rutgers was up in our faces and we took some real poor shots. I thought Kopp had a pretty terrible game despite being the leading scorer, though not as bad as Buie.