Should we continue to recruit Louisville?

[laxcat#5]

In our 5 recruiting classes between 2003 and 2008, we signed the following players from Louisville:
NFL - WR Keenan Burton 03
NFL - DT Myron Pryor 04
NFL - OT Gary Williams 04
NFL - RB Alfonso Smith 05
NFL - DT Corey Peters 06
3 YR Starter - OT Justin Jeffries 06
3 YR Starter - P Ryan Tydlacka 07
4 YR Starter - C Matt Smith 08

In our 6 recruiting classes between 2009 and 2014, we signed the following players from Louisville:
3 YR Starter - DT Mister Cobble 09
Charged w/ Felony Drugs - OLB Ridge Wilson 09
Left UK after 1 season to play at JUCO w/ Nate Willis - LB Tim Patterson 10
Charged w/ Felony Assault - CB Daylen Hall 11
Left UK after 2 seasons to be a backup at the FCS level - DT Thomas Chapman 12
Charged w/ Felony Drugs - DE Jason Hatcher 13
Charged w/ Felony Rape (charges were 100% dropped) - DE Lloyd Tubman 14

That's pretty sad that of the last 7 recruits we've signed from Louisville, 4 of them were dismissed from the team after being charged w/ a felony. I would argue that at this point we should completely stop recruiting Louisville and replace those kids with 3-star kids from south Florida.

 

[kygrandpa]

No do not stop, it would send the wrong message the these kids that have been here in the past. If a kid is good enough to play it does not matter where they are from. GBB

 

[akaukswoosh]

In our 5 recruiting classes between 2003 and 2008, we signed the following players from Louisville:
NFL - WR Keenan Burton 03
NFL - DT Myron Pryor 04
NFL - OT Gary Williams 04
NFL - RB Alfonso Smith 05
NFL - DT Corey Peters 06
3 YR Starter - OT Justin Jeffries 06
3 YR Starter - P Ryan Tydlacka 07
4 YR Starter - C Matt Smith 08

In our 6 recruiting classes between 2009 and 2014, we signed the following players from Louisville:
3 YR Starter - DT Mister Cobble 09
Charged w/ Felony Drugs - OLB Ridge Wilson 09
Left UK after 1 season to play at JUCO w/ Nate Willis - LB Tim Patterson 10
Charged w/ Felony Assault - CB Daylen Hall 11
Left UK after 2 seasons to be a backup at the FCS level - DT Thomas Chapman 12
Charged w/ Felony Drugs - DE Jason Hatcher 13
Charged w/ Felony Rape (charges were 100% dropped) - DE Lloyd Tubman 14

That's pretty sad that of the last 7 recruits we've signed from Louisville, 4 of them were dismissed from the team after being charged w/ a felony. I would argue that at this point we should completely stop recruiting Louisville and replace those kids with 3-star kids from south Florida.

Pretty rough stretch lately.

 

[GYERater]

OP is correct, we need to stop immediately. Great post, keep 'em coming.

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

Daylen Hall was kicked off for failing too many drug tests.

 

[Greasy Creak Mafia]

I would recruit less thuggish places instead of Louisville, ...places like Detroit, Oakland , east St. Louis and Gary Indiana.

 

[eacsxt]

I would recruit less thuggish places instead of Louisville, ...places like Detroit, Oakland , east St. Louis and Gary Indiana.

I would be very selective with who I recruited in Louisville.

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

There are plenty of good kids in Louisville. If would be foolish to stop recruiting the biggest city in your home state.

 

[Poetax]

There are plenty of good kids in Louisville. If would be foolish to stop recruiting the biggest city in your home state.

It would be foolish, and stupid, to stop recruiting Jefferson Co.

 

[lz]

No, keep recruiting Louisville!

 

[jauk11]

OK, and let's not allow anyone from there to be a UK fan also!!

It is kind of silly to paint everyone with the same brush.

 

[JW PRPcoach]

The funny thing about that post above is that the three players that were arrested and dismissed for drugs attended the following 3 schools:
Central (application only)
St. X - private
Trinity - private
All 3 great schools with great coaching staffs that do things the right way (for the most part) - I would sum it up to young men making bad choices more than there being an issue with recruiting Louisville.

 

[frost1]

Uk Must continue recruiting In Louisville, Period.

 

[JimmyJimmy]

In our 5 recruiting classes between 2003 and 2008, we signed the following players from Louisville:
NFL - WR Keenan Burton 03
NFL - DT Myron Pryor 04
NFL - OT Gary Williams 04
NFL - RB Alfonso Smith 05
NFL - DT Corey Peters 06
3 YR Starter - OT Justin Jeffries 06
3 YR Starter - P Ryan Tydlacka 07
4 YR Starter - C Matt Smith 08

In our 6 recruiting classes between 2009 and 2014, we signed the following players from Louisville:
3 YR Starter - DT Mister Cobble 09
Charged w/ Felony Drugs - OLB Ridge Wilson 09
Left UK after 1 season to play at JUCO w/ Nate Willis - LB Tim Patterson 10
Charged w/ Felony Assault - CB Daylen Hall 11
Left UK after 2 seasons to be a backup at the FCS level - DT Thomas Chapman 12
Charged w/ Felony Drugs - DE Jason Hatcher 13
Charged w/ Felony Rape (charges were 100% dropped) - DE Lloyd Tubman 14

That's pretty sad that of the last 7 recruits we've signed from Louisville, 4 of them were dismissed from the team after being charged w/ a felony. I would argue that at this point we should completely stop recruiting Louisville and replace those kids with 3-star kids from south Florida.

Dude, people within every walk of life in every community smoke pot.

It does not matter if you live in a big city or small towns herion and pills are rampant. I would not doubt that steroid use is still big with athletes.

It's very hard to know every thing about a person until your around them for awhile. Same goes for coaches and their players. It's hard to be 100% right all the time when evaluating the person vs the talent.

 

[DSmith21]

Louisville produces some of the best talent in the state why would you give that up. Just stay away from kids who have been in trouble. By the way, you left WR Charles Walker (St. X) off of your list. I am pretty sure that he hasn't been in the news in a negative way.

 

[jauk11]

Great list of players from Louisville from 03 to 08, hard to imagine how bad we would have been without them, AND as far as I know they have all represented UK well so far------and you can never predict when that will change. And while only ONE of the seven you list since then has made a real positive impact on our program you still have to evaluate every recruit as individuals.

I do think that the city colleges win at all attitude (and shenanigans) has been a bad influence on the whole city (particularly their success while endorsing their methods------the NCAA is a joke) and reflects badly on the whole state.

 

[bigbluegrog]

I would be very selective with who I recruited in Louisville.

Agree. Stick to the kids from the Catholic schools....like Trinity......oh wait.........

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

In our 5 recruiting classes between 2003 and 2008, we signed the following players from Louisville:
NFL - WR Keenan Burton 03
NFL - DT Myron Pryor 04
NFL - OT Gary Williams 04
NFL - RB Alfonso Smith 05
NFL - DT Corey Peters 06
3 YR Starter - OT Justin Jeffries 06
3 YR Starter - P Ryan Tydlacka 07
4 YR Starter - C Matt Smith 08

In our 6 recruiting classes between 2009 and 2014, we signed the following players from Louisville:
3 YR Starter - DT Mister Cobble 09
Charged w/ Felony Drugs - OLB Ridge Wilson 09
Left UK after 1 season to play at JUCO w/ Nate Willis - LB Tim Patterson 10
Charged w/ Felony Assault - CB Daylen Hall 11
Left UK after 2 seasons to be a backup at the FCS level - DT Thomas Chapman 12
Charged w/ Felony Drugs - DE Jason Hatcher 13
Charged w/ Felony Rape (charges were 100% dropped) - DE Lloyd Tubman 14

That's pretty sad that of the last 7 recruits we've signed from Louisville, 4 of them were dismissed from the team after being charged w/ a felony. I would argue that at this point we should completely stop recruiting Louisville and replace those kids with 3-star kids from south Florida.

You can't stop recruiting an area because you have had bad luck with kids from that area. I don't really know much about Louisville, but you can bet it isn't much worse than Atlanta. An ex mayor of Atlanta spent time in prison for rewarding supporters with bids on government work, the former sheriff of Fulton county stole 8 million dollars of county money to make a personal investment. She did have good intentions thought, when the investment returned she was going to put the 8mil back and keep the profit, but the investor was a con man never to be heard from again. The school superintent was behind the biggest cheating scandal in the history of American education. Multiple shootings, many fatal everyday and night in all areas of the city. School lockdowns are a weekly event. But you cant say you are going to not recruit Atlanta, .Probably 100 kids in the metro area will sign P5 scholarships, some schools will have double digit kids who will. All you can do is sign them, get then in a better situation and hope to have enough influence over them as a mentor and coach to give them hope of something different than what they grew up with. Many times it works, but unfortunately there are times it doesn't. Can't give up on a kid until he makes it clear he isn't going to make a change.

 

[Deeeefense]

There is nothing unique about the city of Louisville that produces immoral or criminal behavior. The notion that we should ignore the most fertile recruiting area of the state becasue of a few bad apples is absurd.

 

[Vonburns1]

I agree. We should leave all the big city areas for UL. So what if we refuse to consider great athletes who have high character, but happen to live in the wrong zip code. OP is full of it.

 

[SmokinGun9]

I read thru this entire thread and came to one conclusion. Somebody's been eating a few too many retard sandwiches. Recruit the best players dude, no matter where they are from. Louisville, Detroit, Cleveland, East St. Louis, Ferguson, if they can play? go get em. I suggest this OP lay off the stupid pills for a few days.

 

[Cats78]

Well, then maybe we should stop recruiting highly rated guys in KY outside of Louisville since most of them flop due to playing atrocious HS competition.

 

[ville 77]

As a UL fan I would love uk to stop recruiting the city the reality is that many of the most talented kids come from Tough backgrounds rather in Louisville or Florida. Is is a risk reward deal.

I can tell you that under Kragthrope UL backed off many of those risk reward kids after year 1 and you saw the results.

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

Great list of players from Louisville from 03 to 08, hard to imagine how bad we would have been without them, AND as far as I know they have all represented UK well so far------and you can never predict when that will change. And while only ONE of the seven you list since then has made a real positive impact on our program you still have to evaluate every recruit as individuals.

I do think that the city colleges win at all attitude (and shenanigans) has been a bad influence on the whole city (particularly their success while endorsing their methods------the NCAA is a joke) and reflects badly on the whole state.

Be careful. You'll get raked over the coals for saying that what Louisville does makes the rest of the Commonwealth look bad. I said it and still haven't heard the end of it, even though it couldn't be more true.

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

As a UL fan I would love uk to stop recruiting the city the reality is that many of the most talented kids come from Tough backgrounds rather in Louisville or Florida. Is is a risk reward deal.

I can tell you that under Kragthrope UL backed off many of those risk reward kids after year 1 and you saw the results.

Krag's downfall had less to do with who he recruited than it did who he inherited. Krag kicked +10 players off the team because he wouldn't tolerate the shady characters that Petrino builds his program with.

Petrino essentially stopped recruiting his last year at UL because he knew he was leaving. I believe there were only something like 4 guys in the last class he recruited that ever started for UL. Petrino also relies very heavily on JUCO's and transfers every year. When you do that it creates a cycle where you are forced to keep recruiting that way or you will run into major roster issues when you lose a huge class of upperclassmen.

Petrino left a roster that was held together with scotch tape. It was talented in Krag's first year but because Krag didn't harbor thugs or seek out troubled rejects from the SEC it became a dumpster fire quickly. Krag is a bad HC there's no doubt about that but very few coaches could've came into the situation that Petrino left and been successful over the next 3 years. Look no further than the dumpster fire he left at Arkansas for proof that he doesn't build programs that sustain success after he leaves

Petrino has done a better job in the first two years of this temporary stay at UL signing better players out of high school. The problem is that he just lost two of his three best recruiters and replaced them with two GA's with zero legitimate coaching or recruiting experience so I doubt UL will be able to maintain the same level of recruiting going forward

 

[Mr Schwump]

Since the state of Ky only produces 2-4 SEC quality football players a year UK has to continue recruiting Louisville if you want in-state players.

 

[gamalielkid]

In our 5 recruiting classes between 2003 and 2008, we signed the following players from Louisville:
NFL - WR Keenan Burton 03
NFL - DT Myron Pryor 04
NFL - OT Gary Williams 04
NFL - RB Alfonso Smith 05
NFL - DT Corey Peters 06
3 YR Starter - OT Justin Jeffries 06
3 YR Starter - P Ryan Tydlacka 07
4 YR Starter - C Matt Smith 08

In our 6 recruiting classes between 2009 and 2014, we signed the following players from Louisville:
3 YR Starter - DT Mister Cobble 09
Charged w/ Felony Drugs - OLB Ridge Wilson 09
Left UK after 1 season to play at JUCO w/ Nate Willis - LB Tim Patterson 10
Charged w/ Felony Assault - CB Daylen Hall 11
Left UK after 2 seasons to be a backup at the FCS level - DT Thomas Chapman 12
Charged w/ Felony Drugs - DE Jason Hatcher 13
Charged w/ Felony Rape (charges were 100% dropped) - DE Lloyd Tubman 14

That's pretty sad that of the last 7 recruits we've signed from Louisville, 4 of them were dismissed from the team after being charged w/ a felony. I would argue that at this point we should completely stop recruiting Louisville and replace those kids with 3-star kids from south Florida.

Yes, we should stop recruiting everywhere - we just don't know enough about any of these kids. We should just recruit junior college kids - then we would know more about them. Of course, it would be much easier to give up the sport - then we wouldn't have to worry any of these problems. As we are the only school and only sport that occasionally has a player to make mistakes.

Go Big Blue!

 

[theoledog]

The funny thing about that post above is that the three players that were arrested and dismissed for drugs attended the following 3 schools:
Central (application only)
St. X - private
Trinity - private
All 3 great schools with great coaching staffs that do things the right way (for the most part) - I would sum it up to young men making bad choices more than there being an issue with recruiting Louisville.

I agree with this PRP... Isn't there some sort of mandatory drug testing going on at Trinity now? Not just with football but across the board?
It is also my perception that affluence is a contributor to drug problems in HS... Private, high dollar HS would not be any different than public schools located in affluent areas...
Ballard HS had a pretty bad reputation for drug use... word on the street... Drugs go where there is money not necessarily where there are Catholics... But Trinity has a reputation for sure.

 

[Cats78]

Be careful. You'll get raked over the coals for saying that what Louisville does makes the rest of the Commonwealth look bad. I said it and still haven't heard the end of it, even though it couldn't be more true.

[laughing]
Well, to be fair though I think you "get raked over the coals" because you post stupid things and you post like someone who just isn't very intelligent. You have a weird obsession with any thread that mentions Louisville. In these threads, you post predictable, redundant nonsense, to be honest. But hey, maybe it's everyone else that has the problem and you're the one who has got it all figured out, right?

 

[JW PRPcoach]

I agree with this PRP... Isn't there some sort of mandatory drug testing going on at Trinity now? Not just with football but across the board?
It is also my perception that affluence is a contributor to drug problems in HS... Private, high dollar HS would not be any different than public schools located in affluent areas...
Ballard HS had a pretty bad reputation for drug use... word on the street... Drugs go where there is money not necessarily where there are Catholics... But Trinity has a reputation for sure.

I believe there is testing at Trinity now - not 100% but pretty sure
Weed is everywhere - but you are right about drugs and affluence.
One of my good friends' wife went to Ballard - almost every party she went to she saw people doing coke.
Unfortunately, its an issue everywhere.

 

[Crushgroove]

Agree. Stick to the kids from the Catholic schools....like Trinity......oh wait.........

hehehe...

As a Catholic elementary school product, I can attest to the fact that my cursing and drinking skills, as well as my sexual knowledge, far exceeded my buddies' in public HS. I also knew the dirtiest jokes. Just sayin'...

 

[UKCatNnc]

I am confident that Coach Stoops and staff will go after the best players in the state, regardless of where that player resides or goes to high school. Go Cats!!

 

[railroadkat_1]

I am confident that Coach Stoops and staff will go after the best players in the state, regardless of where that player resides or goes to high school. Go Cats!!

To be successful you need to recruit the State, let's get all the best worthy in the Blue and White.

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

[laughing]
Well, to be fair though I think you "get raked over the coals" because you post stupid things and you post like someone who just isn't very intelligent. You have a weird obsession with any thread that mentions Louisville. In these threads, you post predictable, redundant nonsense, to be honest. But hey, maybe it's everyone else that has the problem and you're the one who has got it all figured out, right?

Lol I don't know about all that. I don't really have any weird obsession with Louisville. It's quite ironic that you think because I usually say the same thing about people that feel that Louisville is their end all be all. Quite frankly, that's silly because know one should give them the time of day. It's sad that some people do.

Finally, I do tend to think that I have most things figured out, as I usually get a lot of likes with my posts.

 

[The_Oak]

No do not stop, it would send the wrong message the these kids that have been here in the past. If a kid is good enough to play it does not matter where they are from. GBB

 

[KYDave32]

No way do you stop recruiting the largest city in your state. Name another program in the nation that does something like this?

 

[screwduke]

No.

 

[dvillecatfan]

No way do you stop recruiting the largest city in your state. Name another program in the nation that does something like this?

 

[Dan71268_rivals210055]

No and no again. We have to recruit the city of Louisville, there are fine young men that can add to this program. We have just not picked the best citizens. Things will change for the better.

 

[shutzhund]

Well, then maybe we should stop recruiting highly rated guys in KY outside of Louisville since most of them flop due to playing atrocious HS competition.

This is a serious well thought our question. NOT.