Shouldn't an SEC team have 2 QBs on the roster that can throw the ball?
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Yeah, Smith has been terrible. They need to send him back to where he came from.
We had 2. Towles transferred. He's not great as we've all seen, but he's a serviceable backup. Phillips left as well. I'm not sure about his game, but maybe he would've been better. I don't blame the staff for our QB situation. I also think Johnson as done pretty well considering where he was just last year.
And I don't blame towles for leaving. Barker beat him out. Why not go play your senior season somewhere else. He fulfilled his obligation here and graduated. Why hang around hoping someone gets hurt if you can play somewhere else. Same thing with Phillips. He got passed up, was a year ahead of barker and wasn't going to get a chance to start and play unless someone got hurt. So he left.
Now You are scrambling to find qb unless you put your team in the hands of a true freshman. We signed the best available qb we could who by the was is 5-2 and four sec wins as main guy under center. with a loss at Alabama and a last second loss to a more talented Georgia team. Johnson or smith has Donets good a job as you can expect him he is a game manager and those keep you in games and give you a chance to win. He had zero d1 offers out of high school. He wasn't hyped up to be a savior or future NFL guy. But he plays his guts out and am so glad to have him here. He is a backup nothing more or nothing less and was brought in as an emergency fill in for this season. He might of played himself into the starting role next season!
Ok so the consensus is we'll play 10 on 11, send our "QB" that can't throw very well and doesnt have good pocket presence and doesn't protect the football (coaches don't even want him to run it anymore) out to play WR where he can't catch either apparently (nor can he block), but it doesn't really matter I guess because we don't have a RB that can throw it. Ah UK football, continuing to settle for mediocrity.
Question is would you have posted this if Badet catches ball and we win say 28-23...I don't think so
Who is settling for medicoricty?
Was anyone complaininG two years ago against South Carolina when we ran only the wildcat the entire second half?
We were put in a tough spot with the qb position. Perfect world would of been towles was the starter this year with barker a back up. (Phillips third string, hoak red shirts). But when barker passed by towles (competition is a god thing usually) you can not blame him for wanting to play his senior season. That started the domino. Phillips didn't see a chance to play here, and left. Hoak was you heir apparent to barker. Johnson is nothing but an emergency fill in. Who has won five game btw.
The coaching staff is settling for mediocrity by only having 1 passing QB (what a concept) available to play. The starter got hurt very early in the year, you have to immediately have somebody else that can throw ready to play and willing to use him.
No way you throw hoak who has not taken a snap on college in that game last night unless you have no option. Johnson is our qb the rest of the way unless he gets hurt.
Everyone forgets we threw barker into action at vandy last year. Throws a pick six and was one of the reasons we didn't go bowling last season.
Everyone forgets we threw barker into action at vandy last year. Throws a pick six and was one of the reasons we didn't go bowling last season.
Wright Mattingly Hoak somebody should've been prepared and tried soon after Barker went down.
Not only is this staff playing not to lose they are playing to not get their QB hurt, a player they don't even trust at QB.
Not only is this staff playing not to lose they are playing to not get their QB hurt, a player they don't even trust at QB.
Our fan base no matter who is qb wants the backup. Johnson is 4-2 in conference and 5-2 overall and we want to bench him. And wanting someone else. It is crazy. He is here because the staff at this time feels he is the best option we have right now. They ain't playing no favors for playing him.
It's what ran off towles and put us in this situation also. Kid was ran through the mud every week on here. If he played well it was he still missed throws. Same for Johnson this year. Really gets old reading the same stuff year after year. Be glad he is here. The team has been playing really good football.
It's what ran off towles and put us in this situation also. Kid was ran through the mud every week on here. If he played well it was he still missed throws. Same for Johnson this year. Really gets old reading the same stuff year after year. Be glad he is here. The team has been playing really good football.
I'm not blaming the QB people, I'm blaming the ones putting someone that isn't really a QB at the QB position. They don't even like him handing off the ball to our RBs in crunch time, instead we don't even attempt to hide what we're going to do, make the defense guess. Our Oline, for how good it's been all season still isn't good/physical/strong/hearty enough to grind play after play every single game in the SEC.
Amazing so many fans are content with just conceding, like the coaches.
Amazing so many fans are content with just conceding, like the coaches.
look above. People saying last night was a rainy day to play hoak. And our oline has been great and excels at run blocking. We have ran on everyone. And we are one dininsional. We do struggle at pass blocking. And another reason we have to be a smash mouth team
You have to help the RBs out by being a threat to throw the ball.
Does anybody even get backup snaps in practice or are we having them hold a clipboard there too so they don't get hurt??
Does anybody even get backup snaps in practice or are we having them hold a clipboard there too so they don't get hurt??
As unbelievably good as they've been at recruiting/handling nearly every other unit, the stoops staff simply hasn't handled the QB position well. We've brought in one marquis player there in four years.
I'd like specifics on what passes SJ missed on last night. I didn't see many.
LOL, yeah it did. But my point was some fans think we always have better players on the bench which was why I made the comment.
Why do people seem to take it personally when someone criticizes the QB? He is not a good QB, we were winning in spite of him, not because of him. He struggles mightily with even the easiest of throws. Pointing to Badet's drop as evidence SJ can throw is flawed logic at best. He's decent throwing the long ball because he can just heave it to a spot & Badet outruns his man & beats him to the ball. That was a well placed throw last night & the one at Mizzou was a good ball.
But the majority of his throws are not accurate or receiver friendly. He throws a lot of ducks & hangs his receivers out to dry. He handicaps the offense with his inability to complete anything other than a bomb. His intermediate throws are either nowhere close or passes that will get his receivers' heads knocked off.
I agree with the OP, how does an SEC team not have a QB who can at least complete an acceptable percentage of short, easy throws? He doesn't have to be Montana but he should be able to at least complete dumpoffs & anything 15 yards & in. He seems like a good kid but there's no defending his throwing ability. It has held the offense back all year. Any semblance of a passing game & last night wouldn't have even been close. 3rd & 5 might as well be 3rd & 25. Of course, the staff coaching scared or not to lose doesn't help either.
Another huge issue is the punter. He is straight up not getting it done. 35 yard line drive punts will get you beat & it sure didn't help last night. His one punt over 35 yards sailed 6 yards into the end zone from around midfield. Middle school punters can damn near give you what McKinness does.
But the majority of his throws are not accurate or receiver friendly. He throws a lot of ducks & hangs his receivers out to dry. He handicaps the offense with his inability to complete anything other than a bomb. His intermediate throws are either nowhere close or passes that will get his receivers' heads knocked off.
I agree with the OP, how does an SEC team not have a QB who can at least complete an acceptable percentage of short, easy throws? He doesn't have to be Montana but he should be able to at least complete dumpoffs & anything 15 yards & in. He seems like a good kid but there's no defending his throwing ability. It has held the offense back all year. Any semblance of a passing game & last night wouldn't have even been close. 3rd & 5 might as well be 3rd & 25. Of course, the staff coaching scared or not to lose doesn't help either.
Another huge issue is the punter. He is straight up not getting it done. 35 yard line drive punts will get you beat & it sure didn't help last night. His one punt over 35 yards sailed 6 yards into the end zone from around midfield. Middle school punters can damn near give you what McKinness does.
The fact that the coaches don't trust him enough to take snaps but be on the field for starters
We lost 3 QB's, get over it. We will have 5 next year.
In other news Laettner hit that last second shot and LSU caught the tipped pass with no time on the clock...
Our QB play and subsequent management blows, admit it.
The coaches let a capable game manager and senior with the most experience get away, then got caught with their pants down when the next man in line, apparently the only other one on an 85 man roster that can consistently throw, got hurt. They did and have done little to adjust and are doing nothing to prepare a guy for next year.
And if you think all these QBs on the roster now will be here to only sit the bench you are nuts. Several are only being groomed to transfer.
The coaches let a capable game manager and senior with the most experience get away, then got caught with their pants down when the next man in line, apparently the only other one on an 85 man roster that can consistently throw, got hurt. They did and have done little to adjust and are doing nothing to prepare a guy for next year.
And if you think all these QBs on the roster now will be here to only sit the bench you are nuts. Several are only being groomed to transfer.
Perhaps you are not familiar with college football?
For starters:
I have repeatedly stated that our biggest issue is our current QB's lack of an intermediary passing game.
I too think they should have handled the Barker/PT issue better instead of caving to fan pressure.
But losing 3 QB's will be an issue with any team.
Good teams with good QB's have transfers all of the time.
At least we will have enough for a healthy competition.
Very knowledgable about college football, maybe you're just a homer in denial.
Competition between guys that have little to no experience and a non QB playing QB, that's not healthy competition. QB, the most important position on the field, especially for a program like UK, will once again be a gigantic question mark.
We are loaded at RB and have a better Oline than we've had in a long time, and a decent defense, but we have nosy that the coaches even trust to handoff to stable of backs let alone dink and dunk to them. Smh
Competition between guys that have little to no experience and a non QB playing QB, that's not healthy competition. QB, the most important position on the field, especially for a program like UK, will once again be a gigantic question mark.
We are loaded at RB and have a better Oline than we've had in a long time, and a decent defense, but we have nosy that the coaches even trust to handoff to stable of backs let alone dink and dunk to them. Smh
Again, since you are such a newbie you obviously have no idea who you are conversing with.
I still am not sure CMS is the guy and was very frustrated the first 3 games.
And yes, I am being serious about your knowledge of college football.
Every team experiences a position group crisis almost every year - be it due to injuries, transfers, suspensions, etc.
This was our year for QB's.
And that is definitely a terrible position to be lacking and is the reason we will not take advantage of the down division, win the east and go to a bigger bowl. Regardless of the efforts of SJ, he simply doesnt allow us to open the playbook enough.
I'm more concerned on getting the depth needed at Dline than I am the nontypical issues that struck us at QB this year.
Not a newbie, just lurked for several years, post count started back at zero.
I know I'm dealing with a message board know it all that is accepting of below average QB play and position management that is preaching the longtime UK mantra of wait til next year. That's really homerific because next year doesn't look any better at the position, there is no evidence to support it. The coaches here have yet to prove they can improve that position.
I know I'm dealing with a message board know it all that is accepting of below average QB play and position management that is preaching the longtime UK mantra of wait til next year. That's really homerific because next year doesn't look any better at the position, there is no evidence to support it. The coaches here have yet to prove they can improve that position.
How could stoops of handled the qb battle different mentioned above. (I was a towles guy and if we hang on to some very catchable touchdown passes we won 7-8 last year). But towles and the offense and towles never clicked. Whether that been an inside job, or just his ability I don't know. But when it was obvious the offense wasn't going to work they made a switch. Not as far as pat goes why would you ride the bench if your not the guy (after being it for 2 years) why set the bench behind someone hoping he gets hurt. He had a chance to go somewhere and play and did that.
Phillips seen the writing on the wall. Barker was going to get the ball. And he didn't have a year looking forward of if he will be the guy as when barker would be gone, sowould he. So off he goes.
Now that leaves you with one qb and a true freshman. (Those don't always work out in sec unless your Bama). So you find a backup in juco. Just so happens that guy has played very well but is limited. But I'm proud to call him my qb.
The only way that worked out better is of towles continued to start. And how many wanted that last half of the season?
Phillips seen the writing on the wall. Barker was going to get the ball. And he didn't have a year looking forward of if he will be the guy as when barker would be gone, sowould he. So off he goes.
Now that leaves you with one qb and a true freshman. (Those don't always work out in sec unless your Bama). So you find a backup in juco. Just so happens that guy has played very well but is limited. But I'm proud to call him my qb.
The only way that worked out better is of towles continued to start. And how many wanted that last half of the season?