Good grief... Cats down 1 with 18 SECONDS LEFT, and Vic of course takes the handoff and triple pumps in the lane and can't even get the ball above the rim. He didn't get that call all game. He doesn't even pretend to draw contact by leaning in. It's possibly even worse than BMac hero ball with his floaters. Yes, I realize he made a clutch 3 to get them within striking distance in the first place. But damn, you don't get many chances with plenty of time for a game winner. Have to make them count. Time and again, NU hasn't.
So sick of Vic's hero ball.
- Thread starter freewillie07
- Start date
Maybe Chris Collins should have drawn up a play. The 'Cats still had a timeout, right? Ball under their own basket? Draw up a play!
Couldn’t agree more. Why not advance quickly and set something up with 4-5 seconds?
Good point. But, Collins doesn't do that. Brian James is the one with the clipboard in his hands late in the game. Collins was looking over his shoulder like the players.
He was three feet from the basket, don't fault him for shooting it. Thought he was fouled, tho. And we're not even in a position to win were it not for his clutch threes, imo.
Is anyone surprised at the outcome of this game? NU played exactly like they have most games in the conference. This just is not a good team and hasn’t been one all season. To me that is not debatable.
I already acknowledged all of what you said.
1) Yes he was 3 feet away but he triple clutched as he always does and that never works. So yes, I fault him for shooting it rather than using the attention he drew to find an open man.
2) He is not going to get the benefit of a foul call even if he was fouled (which I don't necessarily think was the case) because he triple clutched and leaned away rather than leaning into contact.
3) I agree, he made clutch shots to get NU in that position. It doesn't excuse him for making a poor decision in that moment.
He was 6-16 and took a ridiculously stupid tech that put him on the bench more than he needed to be. He was shooting those last possessions come hell or high water. He is by far the most talented guy we have, but he has to have his head in the game for its entirety. This was not one of Vic’s better games.
Let's just admit that this is not a particularly good team hopefully we can finish above last place
As an aside, BTN just compared the call later in the Minny-Nebby game to the non-call on the lare Vic shot from 3 feet in our game...
i didnt watch the game but it isnt Vic's fault. I already know that because it has happened almost 100% of the time, except for the fluke Taphorn pass. This is on Collins, and Im saying that not to mean he is a bad coach. He has already stated publicly that he doesnt like calling TOs at the end. He really should take a to and draw up a play but thats not his philosophy. The bozos who say Collins cant draw up plays are just haters. Collins knows basketball but his confidence in these players is overrated. A play will help them.
Trey demps could finish but BMAC, Law, Drew could never AND never did sink that winning shot. We need a play, thats all.
We must have left 15 wins on the court by isolating law, drew, or Bmac for a last shot. The opposing coaches already know.
Because why put your team in a dead ball situation. You have to inbound the ball, Rutgers could change defenses, change personell, etc. A veteran team should be able to go up the floor and make a play because they know what to do. Only inexpereinced teams and teams that have no playmakers call a timeout in that situation. Well maybe that answers it
He was 6/16 for the game? I think at least 3-4 times in the last 10 minutes he did the hero ball move and got zippo each time driving into about 2-3 defenders.
I think Collins gives his senior "stars" way too much latitude. Seemed like we saw that a lot last year too.
I'm a Law fan and realize what he has meant to the program, but as a senior he needs to be a leader and better decision maker.
The 3 at the end of the game was a horrible force that had 0% chance when it left his hand as well.
You can like a player and still acknowledge they need to improve in areas of the game.
Lots of guys could be leading scorer if they jacked up 15-20 shots a night.
I couldn't agree with this more. It's my biggest problem with Collins.
This whole idea that shooters need to keep shooting until they find their stroke is BS. And I've seen way too much of it in Collins' tenure.
Yes, shooters sometimes get lost, and need to find their stroke, but within the span of a game - maybe two. If you're inconsistent over six or seven games, then that's what you are, and let's move to the next option.
That should be discovered in October and November, not January.
However, back to Law, who else do you want taking these shots? I can see the argument for Pardon. I've been disappointed by his place in the offense also. But beyond that, no thanks.
I want whoever has the best open look to take the shot. We do not have a truly “clutch” player. Last one we probably had was Demps.
Before this year there were other alternatives in BMac and Lindsey so Law was unlikely to push it as much. But for this year there is really only one senior star. As far as senior stars having too much latitude, would appear to not be a problem for next year as we won't really have any
What is Vic's fault is that at that time of the game, he really is not looking for anyone else. He is bound and determined to take that shot. And with people collapsing on him, someone else should be open