So you want to be a ref?

[Tom McAndrew]

how would you react in this situation?




The father that was ejected is Joe Gorga, who apparently is a "star" of the "Real Housewives of New Jersey" (I never heard of this "star," and have never watched the show.) Per a TMZ article, "A rep for Joe later told the outlet that he felt the referee made some bad and unfair calls during the match and also thought Gino’s opponent was mistreating him."

FWIW, we're around 1 month into the HS/MS/Youth season, and so far I've thrown 1 parent and 2 coaches out of duals or tournaments. smh

 

[Piketownman]

how would you react in this situation?




The father that was ejected is Joe Gorga, who apparently is a "star" of the "Real Housewives of New Jersey" (I never heard of this "star," and have never watched the show.) Per a TMZ article, "A rep for Joe later told the outlet that he felt the referee made some bad and unfair calls during the match and also thought Gino’s opponent was mistreating him."

FWIW, we're around 1 month into the HS/MS/Youth season, and so far I've thrown 1 parent and 2 coaches out of duals or tournaments. smh

No I wouldn’t. Thankless job. Never heard of this guy or watch those stupid shows. Maybe he thought they need a ratings boost. Has to be embarrassing for the son.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

No I wouldn’t. Thankless job. Never heard of this guy or watch those stupid shows. Maybe he thought they need a ratings boost. Has to be embarrassing for the son.

lol, thankless, for sure.

I'm curious how this individual will be handled. I believe this was a HS match in New Jersey. Most schools in my region have gotten to the point that they will not tolerate this type of behavior from parents. Any parent that does something like this at a high school in my region would almost certainly be banned from attending home events at that school for the season, or for the school year. I've talked with ADs about this several times, but I don't think I've ever asked if the ban extends to away matches/games/meets/etc.

 

[lobolion]

Poor kid. I just hope he thinks dad's behavior is embarrassing, and not exemplary.

 

[Karl_Havok]

Mistreated? How so, because he stuck his kid who took a bad shot?

 

[truth-and-reason]

I retired 13 seasons ago. overall, I miss it but not this part of it. worst situation I ever dealt with was my rookie season. worked AAU tourney. Finals match for 10 year olds I made classic mistake of young ref (never made mistake again) turning my back on the kids. 1 kid punched the other during a stoppage. Fortunately another ref saw what happened. I DQ’d the puncher for FMC which means it’s as if the kid never wrestled in the tournament. End of season. Father, about 6’4” and probably 250 who is slapped together comes out on the mat. wasnt pretty.
just need to remember it’s only about .01% of people who are total whack jobs at any given moment and do something like this. Maybe the ”star” had a bad day on the set. maybe he is like this routinely. Doesn’t excuse the behavior And it’s unacceptable. Glad to see him escorted out.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

I retired 13 seasons ago. overall, I miss it but not this part of it. worst situation I ever dealt with was my rookie season. worked AAU tourney. Finals match for 10 year olds I made classic mistake of young ref (never made mistake again) turning my back on the kids. 1 kid punched the other during a stoppage. Fortunately another ref saw what happened. I DQ’d the puncher for FMC which means it’s as if the kid never wrestled in the tournament. End of season. Father, about 6’4” and probably 250 who is slapped together comes out on the mat. wasnt pretty.
just need to remember it’s only about .01% of people who are total whack jobs at any given moment and do something like this. Maybe the ”star” had a bad day on the set. maybe he is like this routinely. Doesn’t excuse the behavior And it’s unacceptable. Glad to see him escorted out.

Yeah, pretty much every wrestling ref made that mistake early in their career, and most learned to not do it again.

You're correct about how rare this type of thing is, but if you ref enough, you'll experience it.

There have been a few times where I have reacted similarly to how the ref in this instance did -- loudly telling the individual to get out, and being relatively close to him. Tournaments are somewhat of a wildcard, with mats being everywhere, and tournament individuals (people that are running the tournament, but not refs) can be quite far from the mat you're on. At high schools, at least around my area, they really want the ref to not be that confrontational, and let the administrators/site manager deal with the individual. (If a ref throws out a spectator, they have to leave the premises before wrestling continues.) In watching the video, I can sympathize with how the ref responded, as I've done it several times, but I can also see the advantage of stepping back and letting the administrators deal with the situation.

 

[SRATH]

I ref'd a kiddie swim meet once. I was a coach of the 11&12 year olds so each of the schools picked someone to ref age groups they didn't cover. This isn't high flying swimming......2-3 nights a week practice with meets on Saturday. I was so f'in mad at the end.

I ran flags for my kids soccer team once......maybe 11 year olds. The worse folks were some of the parents from my home team. I poked one with the flag right in the chest and asked if he wanted the job. His grandkid was a star on the team. The kid played on club teams, never for the high school team.

Thankless jobs.......so thanks to Tom and others who put themselves out there for the kids

 

[lionlover]

The father that was ejected is Joe Gorga, who apparently is a "star" of the "Real Housewives of New Jersey" (I never heard of this "star," and have never watched the show.) Per a TMZ article, "A rep for Joe later told the outlet that he felt the referee made some bad and unfair calls during the match and also thought Gino’s opponent was mistreating him."

FWIW, we're around 1 month into the HS/MS/Youth season, and so far I've thrown 1 parent and 2 coaches out of duals or tournaments. smh

 

[lionlover]

how would you react in this situation?




The father that was ejected is Joe Gorga, who apparently is a "star" of the "Real Housewives of New Jersey" (I never heard of this "star," and have never watched the show.) Per a TMZ article, "A rep for Joe later told the outlet that he felt the referee made some bad and unfair calls during the match and also thought Gino’s opponent was mistreating him."

FWIW, we're around 1 month into the HS/MS/Youth season, and so far I've thrown 1 parent and 2 coaches out of duals or tournaments. smh

 

[coastfan]

That's the flutter-kick move, not to be confused with a figure four or a guillotine.

 

[LB99]

Poor kid. I just hope he thinks dad's behavior is embarrassing, and not exemplary.

If not, they’ll be the next Ferrari family.

 

[razpsu]

Who was disqualified. It cut off so fast I couldn’t tell what happened

 

[SW Fla Lion]

While attending college under the GI bill a fellow vet managed the umpires for the county for all slow pitch softball. I said I would give it a try to supplement my beer money. My first game I was assigned to go to a church softball league with another rookie ump. One team in the league was comprised of male trustee inmates at a women's prison. Halfway through the game I called out at the plate a trustee that was about 6'6". It was a close call. It was a call that cleared both benches - the trustees' team mad at the call and the other team heading to their cars scared. Somehow $6 a game wasn't worth the aggravation.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Who was disqualified. It cut off so fast I couldn’t tell what happened

The title on the video is "Wrestler Gets Disqualified After Kicking Kid In The Head."

As you mentioned, the video ends before it's clear what actions are taken.

In these type of videos, I generally watch the ref to see what they signal. Alas, there really isn't much there in the video.

My take on the action:

- the ref should have stopped the action earlier for PD
- the offensive wrestler did have his feet/legs around the defensive wrestler's head, and the ref checked them, but did not stop action as there was nothing illegal the offensive wrestler did with his feet/legs
- before action was stopped, the defensive wrestler was in distress from pain (as opposed to being frustrated that he was on his back)
- due to his distress, the defensive wrestler started kicking his right foot, and it did connect with the offensive wrestler's head
- wrestling was stopped by the ref, but he makes no signal to indicate why. It could have been stopped due to the defensive wrestler being in injury distress, and the ref would not signal that before stoppage. It could have been stopped due to a pin, which it's tough via the camera angle to tell if it was accomplished, but it was certainly close, but the ref did not give a pin signal. It could have been stopped due to disqualification of the defensive wrestler, but that is usually signaled either while blowing the whistle to stop or immediately afterwards. I think we can eliminate stoppage for a pin, as the ref didn't slap the mat. I would hope that it was stopped for injury to the defensive wrestler, as you can see after the stoppage the shoulder pain the defensive wrestler was experiencing, but it's possible that it was stopped for disqualification. I've not seen a longer version of that video that clarifies what was the call by the ref.

 

[razpsu]

The title on the video is "Wrestler Gets Disqualified After Kicking Kid In The Head."

As you mentioned, the video ends before it's clear what actions are taken.

In these type of videos, I generally watch the ref to see what they signal. Alas, there really isn't much there in the video.

My take on the action:

- the ref should have stopped the action earlier for PD
- the offensive wrestler did have his feet/legs around the defensive wrestler's head, and the ref checked them, but did not stop action as there was nothing illegal the offensive wrestler did with his feet/legs
- before action was stopped, the defensive wrestler was in distress from pain (as opposed to being frustrated that he was on his back)
- due to his distress, the defensive wrestler started kicking his right foot, and it did connect with the offensive wrestler's head
- wrestling was stopped by the ref, but he makes no signal to indicate why. It could have been stopped due to the defensive wrestler being in injury distress, and the ref would not signal that before stoppage. It could have been stopped due to a pin, which it's tough via the camera angle to tell if it was accomplished, but it was certainly close, but the ref did not give a pin signal. It could have been stopped due to disqualification of the defensive wrestler, but that is usually signaled either while blowing the whistle to stop or immediately afterwards. I think we can eliminate stoppage for a pin, as the ref didn't slap the mat. I would hope that it was stopped for injury to the defensive wrestler, as you can see after the stoppage the shoulder pain the defensive wrestler was experiencing, but it's possible that it was stopped for disqualification. I've not seen a longer version of that video that clarifies what was the call by the ref.

Well said. I didn’t even think the defensive wrestler was the one who was disqualified. I was thinking it would have been stopped earlier because the guy on bottom couldn’t breathe. I hope his friends never put that part in a meme or something. I have never seen someone get caught in a position like that. lol.