Spalding 1st NBA Start

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I wish him well but it means very little. There are all kinds of people getting starts right now. I mean, the white dude from Texas A&M started at point for the Lakers against the Thunder Thursday night.
 
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One more year at UofL could have helped him a great deal in his pro career. Still, I wish him the very best and hope he does well.
I don’t agree. He’s been playing against NBA talent. Sharing time with Williams and Enoch wouldn’t have helped him. Now if you mean it would have helped the Cards and us as fans, that’s probably true.
 
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I wish him well but it means very little. There are all kinds of people getting starts right now. I mean, the white dude from Texas A&M started at point for the Lakers against the Thunder Thursday night.

I do agree to an extent, but he made the most of his opportunity. He went up against Randle, he could have done much worse.
 

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I don’t agree. He’s been playing against NBA talent. Sharing time with Williams and Enoch wouldn’t have helped him. Now if you mean it would have helped the Cards and us as fans, that’s probably true.
So playing against ACC talent and other division one teams compared to not playing at the next level and just practicing wouldn't have helped him more?

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 

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So playing against ACC talent and other division one teams compared to not playing at the next level and just practicing wouldn't have helped him more?

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I don’t need no stinking practice. It’s a professional sport. It’s not tiddlywinks. It’s work. You run and lift weights in the morning and you have two a day practices and one on one sessions. You don’t go to classes and socialize. You work your *** off.
 

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So playing against ACC talent and other division one teams compared to not playing at the next level and just practicing wouldn't have helped him more?

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

The part you forget about is that he’s making $15,400 per week while not playing in the NBA, where he would be making nothing this year at UofL:

Ray Spalding signed a 2 year / $1,601,598 contract with the Phoenix Suns, including $184,746 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $800,799.
 
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The part you forget about is that he’s making $15,400 per week while not playing in the NBA, where he would be making nothing this year at UofL:

Ray Spalding signed a 2 year / $1,601,598 contract with the Phoenix Suns, including $184,746 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $800,799.
I'm very happy for him. He could have made a bunch more as a lottery pick and he was pretty close to getting there. That's all I'm saying. Still, making 15G's a week is nothing to sneeze at.
 

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Good for Ray!

And he didn't spend this season just practicing, he played a few months in the G-League, averaging 30 minutes, 15.9 points and 9.3 rebounds before getting the chance with Phoenix.
 

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Ray wasn’t going to be a lottery pick regardless, maybe late first round, early second. Get your money Youngblood!
 
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I can't remember the last time a player came back and improved their draft stock. Can someone cite an example? Like, someone who went through the camps and was told they wouldn't be drafted, went back to college and became a first rounder or lottery pick? I bet there's not many. Most of these guys get evaluated and they know where they're going to get drafted before Jr year.
 

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I can't remember the last time a player came back and improved their draft stock. Can someone cite an example? Like, someone who went through the camps and was told they wouldn't be drafted, went back to college and became a first rounder or lottery pick? I bet there's not many. Most of these guys get evaluated and they know where they're going to get drafted before Jr year.
Some kid name Donovan Mitchell did unless I'm mistaken. Francisco Garcia did too. I'm sure there are others out there, but I don't pay close attention to other programs.
 

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So playing against ACC talent and other division one teams compared to not playing at the next level and just practicing wouldn't have helped him more?

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.


He's doing great in the NBA right now BC. Don't be so selfish.
 

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Less than mediocre second start. 9 points, 3 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 turnover in 19 minutes tonight as the Suns were obliterated by the Rockets 149-113. He started, missed a layup, made a turnover, committed a shooting foul, and was benched after 5 minutes. Such is the life of a free agent rookie!
 
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Some kid name Donovan Mitchell did unless I'm mistaken.

When Mike said returned to improve their stock, I think he was referencing guys that were on draft boards that passed up being drafted that moved up the following year. Mitchell wasn't on any draft boards after his FR year.

I will give you Garcia though! There have been a few others I'm sure.

But, I don't think it's all that common as it was a decade ago. The NBA is all-in on potential.
 

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Garcia didn’t turn out to be a lottery pick. He chose to come back for his junior year and after that season was chosen 23rd.

Spalding was already a junior and knew he was going to be drafted. There’s no guarantee that he would be drafted after his senior year, and at that point, he would not have had an option to return for another “do over”.

Yes, he could have improved his draft stock in his senior year, but there certainly was no guarantee of that.
 
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I'll give you a current example. PJ Washington. Last year was going to be mid second round, this year showing as high as 16. Looks to be somewhere between teens and mid 20's.
 

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I'll give you a current example. PJ Washington. Last year was going to be mid second round, this year showing as high as 16. Looks to be somewhere between teens and mid 20's.
Obviously if Ray was told, hey you go back to college, play another year, I guarantee you you’ll be a first rounder, maybe Ray comes back. I don’t know what he was told but I bet it sounded more like this, Ray you’re a middle to late 2nd rounder, with next year’s draft class going pro, you’ll still be a middle to late 2nd rounder. The question is “do you want your money now or take a risk you get hurt or have a bad year”
 

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Obviously if Ray was told, hey you go back to college, play another year, I guarantee you you’ll be a first rounder, maybe Ray comes back. I don’t know what he was told but I bet it sounded more like this, Ray you’re a middle to late 2nd rounder, with next year’s draft class going pro, you’ll still be a middle to late 2nd rounder. The question is “do you want your money now or take a risk you get hurt or have a bad year”
All speculation by all of us at this point. I'm just really happy that it worked out for him. Since we're speculating, it's possible that he just didn't like the college life. It's not for everyone.