Spotify and Joe Rogan

[gamecockcat]

There are now 5 'artists' who want their music taken down: Neil Young, Indie Arie, Nils Lofgren, Graham Nash and Joni Mitchell.

First, my suspicion is that the royalties all of these 'artists' make from Spotify don't amount to much so they're not really giving up all that much. FWIW, Young sold his catalog so he has no say so over whether Spotify takes his music down or not.
Second, I have over 800 songs on my Liked Songs on Spotify and none of the above show up at all. Can't imagine any of the above are on heavy play with a majority of Spotify listeners who tend to be younger than I am.
Third, Nils Lofgren? Really? Besides playing in the E Street Band, would anyone be able to name one of HIS songs? If his royalties are more than $1000 per year I'd be surprised. They couldn't find more invisible artists to boycott Spotify? Hell, taking his music down might cost Spotify a nickel.

I don't follow Joe Rogan and I didn't listen to the podcast(s) in question but I have heard of the doctors he interviewed, both of whom have very impressive credentials. Are they right? Hell, who knows at this point? But, shouldn't intelligent, credentialed individuals be given the right to express their opinion, especially since it's being presented as just that - their opinion? I find it curious that 60s generation celebrities are okay with censorship.

If Young doesn't want his music on Spotify, then fine, take it down. But to try to strong arm some company into censorship just seems wrong on a lot of levels.

If I've learned anything in 58+ years (and that's debatable, of course), it's when an individual or entity will not even listen to opposing views that I suspect that individual is blatantly wrong and knows it or is just plain ignorant and doesn't want to admit it.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

I don't get it. Would Neil Young demand his albums be removed from a record store that also sells Rogans stand up?

 

[TortElvisII]

I want a cake with a cinnamon swirl. I could be happy all of my life with a cinnamon swirl .

 

[Ron Mehico]

Outside of Neil Young I have no clue who any of those people are

 

[ManitouDan]

So very much wish Joe R would have Told them to F off .

 

[roguemocha]

If you add all those artists’ listens up, combine them for an entire month, they don’t get the listens of one episode of Rogans podcast and he usually does 3/week. Not a hard decision for Spotify.

Plus they’re a Finnish company. They give literally zero touches about American wokeism or whatever. They want listeners like they should, not what’s right for American social ideals.

Give me a break you washed up artists. If they were censored in the 60-80s they would’ve banded together to create festivals opposed to the censorship.

They got old like the people before them that didn’t like them and they turned into them, pretty simple.

 

[roguemocha]

So very much wish Joe R would have Told them to F off .

Yeah but he did the right thing and explained himself, the podcast and why he does what he does. If he did what you said it would’ve thrown fuel in the fire and not worked out as well.

Anyone want to take a bet to see if any single one of those artists have listened to an entire podcast of his about Covid? I’ll put my life savings they haven’t.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

Anyone want to take a bet to see if any single one of those artists have listened to an entire podcast of his about Covid? I’ll put my life savings they haven’t.

not a chance.

 

[IdaCat]

 

[theoledog]

NY…. he’s a very talented pissed off entertainer…. from Canada. If he was really po’d he’d go back there and drive a truck.

 

[Anon1634865921]

Neil Young? A southern man don't need him around, anyhow.

 

[joeyrupption]

I don't get it. Would Neil Young demand his albums be removed from a record store that also sells Rogans stand up?

I don’t care either way, but the record store analogy doesn’t really work since the record store wouldn't also be acting as the the “label” that was paying Rogan $150MM.

Spotify is the record store and label in this case.

They want people to listen to other types of audio content (other than music) on their platform, like podcasts. The more they can get their users to be comfortable listening to podcasts instead of music, they less they’ll have to pay in royalties for the music.

 

[Bigblue2023]

Who?

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

 

[Dore95]

I get these are “old” artists and that Rogan is seen as cooler and more relevant now. But make no mistake Neil Young and Joni Mitchell are artists and their music will be remembered and listened to decades in the future. Joe Rogan will be quickly forgotten.

 

[WildcatofNati]

I get these are “old” artists and that Rogan is seen as cooler and more relevant now. But make no mistake Neil Young and Joni Mitchell are artists and their music will be remembered and listened to decades in the future. Joe Rogan will be quickly forgotten.

I note that you referenced Young and Mitchell, but not the other three; interesting. Be that as it may, I have no doubt that Wagner will be remembered and listened to in the future as well, and moreso than Young or Mitchell; but it doesn't mean that some of Wagner's more odd social views should be given any particular credibility.

 

[roguemocha]

Lol you may be right but more people to this day have listened to Rogan than have ever listened to Neil young. Every episode averages 11 million downloads, doesn’t count a ton of other listeners.

Rogan has been heard by more people in ten years than Young has in 40. And in 40 years Rogan will likely have more of a known legacy than any of those artists. Sorry but that’s a fact. Social media and whatnot are his advantage. When Young was around you had to buy an album or hope the radio played him. Nowadays you can listen to Rogan for free.

And in ten years someone else is I’ll be bigger, it’s called life, man.

 

[MegaBlue05]

Personally, I think Rogan is a ***** and Young is about 30 years past his prime. I have no issue with this beef and don’t claim a side. The above list of artists leaving isn’t impressive.

The platform can host whomever they want. Any artist who wishes to not be associated with another artist/show can leave and go to another platform or start their own. The artist leaving is also free to use their fame/influence to encourage others to join them elsewhere and/or ask fans to boycott the original platform. Other artists are free to choose whether to stay on Spotify or go elsewhere with the hippies, same for paying customers. Freedom, baby!

 

[roguemocha]

I agree with all that^. Just curious why you think Rogan is a *****.

I personally think he’s doing the world a favor and providing different views from the news we get every day and obviously he’s doing something good because when they band together to get rid of you you’re upsetting their apple cart. That to me means he’s providing content they don’t want you to hear.

If he wasn’t, they wouldn’t care and those companies are bought and paid for in almost every aspect.

 

[Dore95]

Lol you may be right but more people to this day have listened to Rogan than have ever listened to Neil young. Every episode averages 11 million downloads, doesn’t count a ton of other listeners.

Rogan has been heard by more people in ten years than Young has in 40. And in 40 years Rogan will likely have more of a known legacy than any of those artists. Sorry but that’s a fact. Social media and whatnot are his advantage. When Young was around you had to buy an album or hope the radio played him. Nowadays you can listen to Rogan for free.

And in ten years someone else is I’ll be bigger, it’s called life, man.

LOL. Imagine actually believing that more people have listened to Joe Rogan’s podcasts than the music of Neil Young. Do you think Rogan is bigger than the Beatles too?

 

[gamecockcat]

LOL. Imagine actually believing that more people have listened to Joe Rogan’s podcasts than the music of Neil Young. Do you think Rogan is bigger than the Beatles too?

You're probably right but I'll bet NY has never had 11 million people listen to his music at the same time. Obviously, it's not the same 10 million who listen all the time to Rogan so I think it's fair to say that 30 million have listened to a podcast. Do you think 30 million people have listened to NY for an hour or more straight? Comparing the Beatles popularity to Neil Young is juuussssstttt a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Full disclosure: I've never listened to Joe Rogan except when he calls fights for the UFC.

 

[JDHoss]

Spotify can host whoever they want, but I'd never heard of Joe Rogan until recently. I closed my Spotify account because I had over 30 Neil Young songs on my playlist, and now they're not there. I started using Amazon Music instead.

 

[IdaCat]

I may be old fashioned, but I can't think of any musical artist that I care enough about to make me want to close my account and follow them to another service because they pulled their **** when their censoring demands failed.

If free speech is that much of a problem, I'm sure I can live without them.

 

[Bigblue2023]

Spotify can host whoever they want, but I'd never heard of Joe Rogan until recently. I closed my Spotify account because I had over 30 Neil Young songs on my playlist, and now they're not there. I started using Amazon Music instead.

Sorry, if you did that, it’s just weird. You only listen to Neil Young?

Not a chance you did that for any reason other than political beliefs.

 

[IdaCat]

I used to watch Rogan on YouTube. After he moved to Spotify, I signed up for a free account just to watch his podcasts. He has a wide range of very interesting guests that provide stimulating intellectual conversations.

He's hardly the big bad boogeyman the leftists paint him out to be. Hell, he's a self-proclaimed liberal. Not a leftist, but a liberal in the classical sense open to politely discuss and debate all sides of the issues. I don't always agree with his positions, but he does take the time to explain them while listening to others.

In his 3 hour format, You can learn a lot from some highly renown people. There's hardly anywhere else to find this level of discussion these days. Certainly nothing on the filthy MSM.

 

[Beatle Bum]

This is not about Covid. Joe will have any interesting person on his show. He had Jordan Peterson on and people of Young’s censorship ilk don’t like it. If Young was truly interested in Covid misinformation, he would attempt to cancel CNN. But then, CNN dreams of Joe’s audience numbers.

 

[warrior-cat]

Never listened or watched a Joe Rogan podcast. Snippets because of this yes but...I don't have a social media account of any kind except here. I don't get all of the butt hurt in this country now. You could be the biggest thing since the coming of Christ and then say something that anyone considers hurtful to them and if they have an outlet to cry on others will follow. It seems as if they don't have anything else to do. If someone pisses you off, return fire and drive on.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

If they pull Joe Rogan, who I don't even listen to, I'll cancel my Spotify account out of principal and just go back to torrenting every piece of music I can think of.

Christ, to be this pissy about the ONE popular conservative independent opinion outlet, while our side has been force fed MSM ******** for years.. pathetic.

Who cares what Joe Rogan says? Talk about facism...

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

I remember the days when if people didn't like something, they just didn't listen/watch. Seems like a lifetime ago now.

Neil young and that crowd have been worthless most of their entire career. Doubt anyone ever tried to cancel him. As another poster said, they really have nothing to lose anyway because noone streams them. This is basically just free pr because most people either didn't know know they were still alive or the they ever existed in the first place.

 

[Beatle Bum]

I remember the days when if people didn't like something, they just didn't listen/watch. Seems like a lifetime ago now.

Neil young and that crowd have been worthless most of their entire career. Doubt anyone ever tried to cancel him. As another poster said, they really have nothing to lose anyway because noone streams them. This is basically just free pr because most people either didn't know know they were still alive or the they ever existed in the first place.

If you had asked me whether Neil Young or Joni Mitchell were dead prior to this display of outrage, I would have flipped a coin to guess.

 

[vhcat70]

Spotify paid $100M for the rights to Rogan's show.

 

[UKWildcatT]

I’m not really a fan of Rogan (anyone who’d support Bernie Sanders should have their head examined), but I appreciate people like him, and even Bill Mahr and Russell Brand, that speak with people of different opinions unlike our “mainstream media.”

 

[8titles_rivals270261]

I think it's absolutely amazing that the amount of media filtering out there is just generally accepted. This is a classic case of violation of the 1st amendment and it's terrifying that there are people in the US that feel like he should be censored for just simply trying to understand a subject, in this case COVID, the vaccines and potential alternatives.

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

I like a handful of Neil Young’s songs and I appreciate the fact that Led Zeppelin, or more specifically...Robert Plant was inspired by Joni Mitchell’s music in LZ’s early days.

Having said that...allow me to put my social warrior PC hat on for a moment...

1) Neil Young should have been canceled long ago for his homophobic slurs, his public “misinformation” comments about Aids and for blatant condemnation of the gay community in general back in the ‘80’s. Here is a quote from just one of those interviews back then...Young, in an interview used a homophobic slur and said of those who had a homosexual preference:

“You go to a supermarket and you see a ****** behind the f***ing cash register, you don’t want him to handle your potatoes.”

2) Jodi Mitchell should have been canceled long ago for her multiple appearances in “black face”.

 

[IdaCat]

Lex Fridman (another good podcaster, btw) and Elon Musk are supporting Joe Rogan. I guess you leftist's will need to start working to cancel Tesla next.

 

[JBHolmesfan]

I used to watch Rogan on YouTube. After he moved to Spotify, I signed up for a free account just to watch his podcasts. He has a wide range of very interesting guests that provide stimulating intellectual conversations.

He's hardly the big bad boogeyman the leftists paint him out to be. Hell, he's a self-proclaimed liberal. Not a leftist, but a liberal in the classical sense open to politely discuss and debate all sides of the issues. I don't always agree with his positions, but he does take the time to explain them while listening to others.

In his 3 hour format, You can learn a lot from some highly renown people. There's hardly anywhere else to find this level of discussion these days. Certainly nothing on the filthy MSM.

Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie Sanders. I believe he’s in favor of universal basic income. He’s has pretty progressive views on drugs like DMT and mushrooms. If he’s a far right Neo-Nazi, he’s not very good at it.

Places like CNN are scared of him because he gets insane numbers. CNN’s doctor went on Rogan’s podcast and admitted CNN intentionally lied about him, but it’s Rogan that is dangerous.

 

[TortElvisII]

I think we should cancel everything Neil Young disagrees with.

 

[P19978]

To be fair, musicians are not known for their intelligence... so Neil Young is simply another in a looooong line of idiots who happen to have musical talent.

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

 

[BigSexyCat]

Follow the money...Spotify is partially owned by Blackrock. Blackrock controls 10% of the worlds wealth. I thinks it's something like 9 Trillion dollars with investments in tens of thousands of companies. They could twist any companies arm in a thousand different ways to make them squeal like a pig. Guess who has had guests on critical of Larry Fink and Blackrock....Joe Rogan.