Stoops calling plays?

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I have a very good friend that plays on the team and he told me tonight that Stoops calls some of the plays and he specially mentioned the Vandy game.
 

BlueRaider22

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Pedro's right. This is a very common occurrence among coaches.

But don't go overboard and think that he's calling plays extremely often or that he's interfering too much with Dawson/Eliot.
 

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Pedro's right. This is a very common occurrence among coaches.

But don't go overboard and think that he's calling plays extremely often or that he's interfering too much with Dawson/Eliot.

If there was a flag thrown for everytime he interfered with an offensive play call the field would look yellow.


Not sure if there will be many offensive coordinators lining up for the KY job because of that.
 

merrimanm

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If there was a flag thrown for everytime he interfered with an offensive play call the field would look yellow.

Not sure if there will be many offensive coordinators lining up for the KY job because of that.
Are you Dawson looking for an excuse? If not, how would you know this?
 
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^He doesn't. He's looking for one superficial entity to blame while ignoring the fact that the problem is much larger and multifactorial.
 
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I have no problem with him calling plays on Defense because that is his background! However he has NO BUSINESS being involved in the offense. Great coaches, i.e. Saban, Belicheck let their O.C's call the plays! As a head coach you cannot always be butting in and trying to do EVERYTHING and that is my problem with Stoops. That and his incredibly stupid decision not to hire a special teams coach! And it showed throughout the year! For the life of me I sometimes worry that he does not understand the process of HEAD coaching!
 
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I have no problem with him calling plays on Defense because that is his background! However he has NO BUSINESS being involved in the offense. Great coaches, i.e. Saban, Belicheck let their O.C's call the plays! As a head coach you cannot always be butting in and trying to do EVERYTHING and that is my problem with Stoops. That and his incredibly stupid decision not to hire a special teams coach! And it showed throughout the year! For the life of me I sometimes worry that he does not understand the process of HEAD coaching!

I'm guessing you're a big basketball fan.
 
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RR30

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Are you surprised? He's a coach - and the head coach at that. Of course he calls plays. At least from time to time.

He's not an offensive head coach. He shouldn't be calling plays, regardless of the situation. It's one thing to take over if the defense is struggling. It's a complete different thing to take over the other side of the ball.
 

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I have no problem with him calling plays on Defense because that is his background! However he has NO BUSINESS being involved in the offense. Great coaches, i.e. Saban, Belicheck let their O.C's call the plays! As a head coach you cannot always be butting in and trying to do EVERYTHING and that is my problem with Stoops. That and his incredibly stupid decision not to hire a special teams coach! And it showed throughout the year! For the life of me I sometimes worry that he does not understand the process of HEAD coaching!


Clearly you don't watch Saban and Belichick. You should.....it's fun to watch Saban tell Kiffin

https://www.google.com/search?q=lan...&ved=0ahUKEwjv-7bnouPJAhXC6SYKHb9aD2QQsAQIGw#


There is a difference though between calling a few plays here and there......and totally controlling everything. Having attended numerous practices over the yrs I can tell you that Stoops does not micromanage the offense. Not with Brown nor Dawson.
 

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I will say this, the player that told me he takes control of the offense sometimes specifically said the players do not like it and they want him to let Dawson run the offense by himself.
 
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^He doesn't. He's looking for one superficial entity to blame while ignoring the fact that the problem is much larger and multifactorial.

Dawson is in fact leaving. This will now be the 3rd OC under the Stoops Era. That should be very telling!

The wishbone may be coming.
 

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Stoops is going to have a hard time finding a replacement (that's not a friend of his). A) You micro-manage the offense, which signals that you don't trust the guy you hired; B) You only get 1 season at UK as OC to make it work....

Not an attractive job at all.
 

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There is absolutely ZERO proof of any of this and I'm sick of it. Brown left to become a head coach, not because of interference by Stoops.

People cry about Dawson's lack of play calling experience and then bash Stoops because he may have interferred with the OC. Which again, there's not a shred of proof he did anything beyond what any normal head coach is supposed to do. You all act like a head coach just lets their coordinators do whatever they want. Not remotely true but no evidence Stoops is 'micromanaging' his coordinators.

I get the feeling that Dawson just did not work well with the rest of staff and his lack of adjustment were ultimately his undoing. Refused to run Towles, was terrible in red zone running situations, and just handled the QB situation terribly. I'm assuming that is his domain.
 

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What don't you understand about I had a player text me and tell me the players hated how Stoops was interfering with the offense too much?
 

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I will say this, the player that told me he takes control of the offense sometimes specifically said the players do not like it and they want him to let Dawson run the offense by himself.

So all the tweets showing happy faces from UK players about Dawson leaving is incorrect?
 

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So all the tweets showing happy faces from UK players about Dawson leaving is incorrect?


If you have players tweeting that they are happy about a coach being fired then it proves even more that not only is there a lack of class, but also a lack of discipline.

Again, the inmates won out it sounds.
 

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If you have players tweeting that they are happy about a coach being fired then it proves even more that not only is there a lack of class, but also a lack of discipline.

Again, the inmates won out it sounds.

I don't disagree, but something is wrong when you hear stories of tweets of being glad that he is gone and then stories that players wanted Dawson to call the offense. Seems like a split down the middle.
 

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I don't disagree, but something is wrong when you hear stories of tweets of being glad that he is gone and then stories that players wanted Dawson to call the offense. Seems like a split down the middle.

I agree with what you are saying. However, something is also wrong when players dictate personnel changes.
 

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It looks to me from the texts and Twitter that everyone has mixed opinions on Dawson leaving. WR seem happy, QB's seem like they enjoyed Dawson so I'm not sure. All I can say is that last night, the player texted me and said players didn't like how stoops was interfering too much. This came from a defensive player so who really knows how the other guys feel on offense but even if they didn't like Dawson I know for a fact that they didn't like how Stoops kept interfering. Also, I'm starting to think a lot of this ineptness on offense this season is because of Stoops tinkering with offense.
 

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I'm not a big Dawson fan either I hated him during the season this year but now I can't sit here and blame it all on him after getting those text messages last night and with all the mixed tweets today. Tough to blame Dawson if he was getting handcuffed all season by Stoops. This isn't a good sign for the future IMO.
 

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It looks to me from the texts and Twitter that everyone has mixed opinions on Dawson leaving. WR seem happy, QB's seem like they enjoyed Dawson so I'm not sure. All I can say is that last night, the player texted me and said players didn't like how stoops was interfering too much. This came from a defensive player so who really knows how the other guys feel on offense but even if they didn't like Dawson I know for a fact that they didn't like how Stoops kept interfering. Also, I'm starting to think a lot of this ineptness on offense this season is because of Stoops tinkering with offense.
...and I think you're full of it.
 
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I have no problem with him calling plays on Defense because that is his background! However he has NO BUSINESS being involved in the offense. Great coaches, i.e. Saban, Belicheck let their O.C's call the plays! As a head coach you cannot always be butting in and trying to do EVERYTHING and that is my problem with Stoops. That and his incredibly stupid decision not to hire a special teams coach! And it showed throughout the year! For the life of me I sometimes worry that he does not understand the process of HEAD coaching!
You shouldn't worry, it is a fact, he has no clue. He apparently has a great defensive mind but that doesn't mean you should be the head man. Just ask Dick LeBeau.
 
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Wow, this thread is hilarious, insiders, guys that can read minds and those that form opinions because the mind readers (not Kani and 22) agree with their preconceived notions. Pure comedy gold.
 
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Clearly you don't watch Saban and Belichick. You should.....it's fun to watch Saban tell Kiffin

https://www.google.com/search?q=lan...&ved=0ahUKEwjv-7bnouPJAhXC6SYKHb9aD2QQsAQIGw#


There is a difference though between calling a few plays here and there......and totally controlling everything. Having attended numerous practices over the yrs I can tell you that Stoops does not micromanage the offense. Not with Brown nor Dawson.
There is also a difference between PRACTICE and a GAME! That is when everyone is watching!
 

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^Correct. And I've seen numerous practices and all the games.....not to mention that I have multiple connections within the program. And, I haven't seen any concrete evidence to suggest that Stoops is overstepping.......nor have I seen evidence that he has left Dawson completely alone.

So, I choose not to make assumptions off of inadequate information. I do not know what Stoops is telling Dawson on the sideline of a game anymore than you do.
 

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You must not have watched the first half of the VERY first game! When we were throwing down field! Then in the second half we got conservative and almost lost!
 
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What don't you understand about I had a player text me and tell me the players hated how Stoops was interfering with the offense too much?
I call bs. Why the hell would a football player be texting you the issues that are going on with the team. And from what I've seen so far I'm the first one to say anything to you about it. Jeez.
 

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You must not have watched the first half of the VERY first game! When we were throwing down field! Then in the second half we got conservative and almost lost!


You mean this game?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400603832

The one where the very first play was a 75 yd RUN for a TD? And the one where the passing game came out in the 2nd half cold......throwing 5 incompletions.....then ending with an interception? The one where Boom averaged 13.5 yds/att and Jojo 11.3 yds/att?

Gee, I wonder why we backed off throwing it and started to run in more that game. Makes no sense, I mean we were passing it so well (16 for 34 attempts) and rushing it so poorly.
 
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You mean this game?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400603832

The one where the very first play was a 75 yd RUN for a TD? And the one where the passing game came out in the 2nd half cold......throwing 5 incompletions.....then ending with an interception? The one where Boom averaged 13.5 yds/att and Jojo 11.3 yds/att?

Gee, I wonder why we backed off throwing it and started to run in more that game. Makes no sense, I mean we were passing it so well (16 for 34 attempts) and rushing it so poorly.
I bet you were a Ron Hudson fan!
 

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Are you surprised? He's a coach - and the head coach at that. Of course he calls plays. At least from time to time.
I would prefer that the oc call the plays. I wouldn't mind if the head coach was the oc, but the worst thing that can happen for an oc is when he has a game plan and a rhythm going and plays setting up other plays is to be interrupted by the hc for a different play. But it takes a hc with a lot of guts to let the oc call the plays when things are not going well. I thought we had a running back that was pretty good in short yardage situations this year with a big fb for short yardage situations and we threw fades instead. Who called those plays could have been Stoops or Dawson or the qb. I hope the next oc is a home run hire that Stoops can and will trust in!