Early in the season everyone was complaining about the contract buyout was too expensive to fire him. That's not going to happen but the opposite is possible. What if someone comes calling to offer him a higher level job? There is no buyout on his end and the way lots of fans treated him, would he bolt? The purpose of that big contract was to lock him down but the key was left stuck in the lock.
Stoops contract
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I'd say roll his contract for another 1-2 years and leave the buyout as it is. Stoops deserves something tangible for finishing 7-5 after an 0-2 start, but let's not get too crazy about it. If he can repeat this next year and even improve on it, then MB should open the checkbook and give Stoops the big payday.
No problem adding one year as a reward for this season. If he does it next year, reward him again...maybe two years.
I say let't calm down and let him earn his current salary. No reason to open the vault at this point. We can celebrate and enjoy the moment together and Stoops can live off the millions he is making now. I am sure he would agree
Could be completely wrong but if KY has a huge season next year it will probably be Stoops last season at UK. Can't see him turning down a big offer if a traditional power comes calling. I still cannot believe Mitch gave him a $0 buyout. A completely one sided contract. Stoops holds all the cards. Would never let MB negotiate anything for me.
When/if Stoops gets to the point that better opportunties come calling, he will have built UK to a point that many up and coming coaches will be interested. win, win, situation
Some people on here are delusional. Stoops overall body of work will not have any major programs coming after him. Yes, he had a great win that we should enjoy but he has also been pretty pathetic most of the rest of the time.
If he builds on this win and follows thru with a 8-10 win season next year, then we can start to worry.
As much I am hopeful I am also realistic
Stoops improved, but not enough to move up IMO. He did just enough to earn what he already has.
He done enough to feel secure, not enough to be in demand. And if he builds on it and has winning season's, he may want to hang his hat on what he built rather than leave.
My god people
Anyone who watches a game will see that stoops isn't getting a job like FSU or somewhere.
If he cleans up all the mental mistakes and Kentucky has a Colorado type season that may change. But right now he makes too many obvious mental mistakes to get the keys to an FSU
Anyone who watches a game will see that stoops isn't getting a job like FSU or somewhere.
If he cleans up all the mental mistakes and Kentucky has a Colorado type season that may change. But right now he makes too many obvious mental mistakes to get the keys to an FSU
Speaking of delusional. Stoops has been great his whole time here except the USM game. People as clueless as you are about what it takes to built an SEC program from the ground up should probably avoid talk about this topic lest you look like an idiot.
If anyone gets a raise or extension it better be Eddie Gran. He gets as much or more credit for this season than anyone on staff.
I believe UK can become a destination program. I hop that CMS will follow up this season with an even better season next year and continue and improve the recruiting. If this happens I would think the athletic administration would do whatever is needed to keep CMS and the staff he needs to maintain UK as a destination program. I would like to think CMS would consider this program as his child and be reluctant to ever leave. Call it home, love it, continue to raise it up and never leave. Given his obvious work ethic and ability to learn on the go, can you imagine if he stays and continues to build.
I know who hired him. He's earning his already fat check by hiring guys he thinks will work. However Grans pay isn't on scale with other top OC in our conference let alone the country. He's one of the best there is and he deserves to get paid that way before someone else does.
When DJ is making almost as much as Gran that is an issue. Will be surprised if KY is not ponying up more money this offseason for both Gran and Hinshaw. No doubt in my mind Gran saved Stoops job.
Not to malign Stoops, but how about making Coach Gran a million+ OC, & while we are at it, a sizeable increase for our QB Coach, Hinshaw!!!!!!
We have some fickle fans that let a couple of losses or wins sway them heavily , like leaves on a windy day .
It reminds me of the basketball fans last year
We went from NIT to cutting down the nets after a few measly SEC wins
We went from NIT to cutting down the nets after a few measly SEC wins
You do realize, don't you, that no coach since Bear Bryant took the Texas A&M Coach/AD position NO COACH has left Kentucky for a better position. We are the absolute definition of "Graveyard of Coaches." I hope CMS ends this streak, as I think it would actually be good for the program.
If someone comes calling for Stoops this year, you let him go. I can't see any bigger program that will go after him bc he just hasn't proven enough though.
If Stoops keeps going upward, you pay him but don't make the past mistakes of one sided extensions. He leaves, the roster is in good shape and getting a good coach isn't hard
If Stoops keeps going upward, you pay him but don't make the past mistakes of one sided extensions. He leaves, the roster is in good shape and getting a good coach isn't hard
We want to open the vault for Gran and Hinshaw. Go Cats!!
Stoops contract is such a great contract for him. Do people realize how much money in bonuses he has already made this year?
He gets $100,000 for each SEC win, starting with the 2nd win.
He gets $250,000 for winning 7 games.
He could get an additional $125,000 from the bowl game, depending on how much money UK receives from it.
He already has made an additional $550,000 and could get the additional $125,000 plus around $50,000 in academic bonuses. Dude is going to walk away with about $700,000 in bonuses this year.
Personally I love incentive based contracts. With that being said, there is zero reason to do anything with his contract right now.
He gets $100,000 for each SEC win, starting with the 2nd win.
He gets $250,000 for winning 7 games.
He could get an additional $125,000 from the bowl game, depending on how much money UK receives from it.
He already has made an additional $550,000 and could get the additional $125,000 plus around $50,000 in academic bonuses. Dude is going to walk away with about $700,000 in bonuses this year.
Personally I love incentive based contracts. With that being said, there is zero reason to do anything with his contract right now.
UK needs to only work on Gran and Hinshaw. Stoops gets no extra raise until we do something nice next year....then we consider more years and money
Great post. So few fans understand the contract Stoops already has and no need to even discuss an extension or a raise in salary at this time. We are celebrating a very, very, very nice victory against the Dirty Birds and after a week or two it will be time to get down to business and concentrate on winning a bowl game. We don't want to just show up for the bowl game we need to win it and let the momentum go over into next season. Next season can be special if our coaches keep their head level and stay focused. I think they will.
Stoops won in a down and out SEC and lost games he shouldn't have. He's improving as a coach but is nowhere near ready for a bigger job. He has work to do to earn his current salary in my opinion. However, I see the improvement and next year will be the big test for him. I'm certain this win over UofL will be a pain in his side as it will be forgotten if the team comes out and loses any game it's supposed to win next year.
How many traditional powers might have openings next year? Plus I think he wants to stay closer to his hometown in Ohio and the only big job near there is probably OSU. That is not going to happen unless we play for the championship next year and Urban Meyer has another "health issue".
I really don't think we have to worry about it. We can pay as much as anyone. If a coach has the train rolling and has all the money he could want and recruiting is steady and improving I can't imagine leaving a good thing. I also don't think we are Vandy. We may be and certainly can become a destination program. I think that's the idea anyway with all the Investmwnts in the program
There were two big goofs in that contract. The first is the one that got the most discussion which was the huge buyout that UK had and Mitch left UK no options to protect itself.
The second part was that there was no buyout for Stoops leaving. That was unconscionably stupid on the part of Barnhart. If I were Mitch's boss and he brokered this deal I would have fired him on the spot. That contract was so bad it almost represents malpractice on the part of Barnhart. We risked everything in that deal. If Stoops failed it would devastate the program and we would still have to pay him Nick Saban like money. On the other hand if Stoops wanted to leave on a whim there was nothing we could do about it and we wouldn't get compensated in return. I ask again what was the purpose of us even signing the deal?
Lucky for Barnhart this may be working out so that it doesn't look like the botched job it actually was. Still even if Stoops stays for 20 years that contract will never come across as a good idea. It was a failure no matter the out come. Barnhart getting lucky doesn't mean he made a shrewd move.
Good point..I guess everyone is forgetting the two games we blew against Southern Miss and Ga. This team should have been 9-3 this year..People need to calm down in these types of situations.
This simply isn't the case.
This staff has had several blunders over the last 4 years and been far from great the whole time.
The turnaround this year has been amazing and CMS deserves all the credit for this as much as the blame for the failures early this season and multiple games the first 3 years.