Suicide
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I think people need to know that other people care about them. Not just emails or Facebook pokes either . Prayers for the departed
Depression is a very unpredictable illness.
Medication can help, but not for everyone.
Medication can help, but not for everyone.
I’ve had 4-5 childhood friends commit suicide. The people around them are usually mad at the person for being so selfish, and then there are those that try to empathize and wonder how bad off the person was to get to that point.
Sorry for loss man it’s a tougher one to deal with than most death.
Sorry for loss man it’s a tougher one to deal with than most death.
My father put a shotgun to his head in 94 and ended his life. No one knows why except speculation. That said, he wasn't a good father. He was gone from us early and pretty much always. I remember seeing him maybe 10 times. My grandfather raised us. But it still perplexed us.
Sorry for your loss.
Sorry for anybody who's lost a close one to suicide.
Any life lost is not good (there are exceptions I guess...), but I think it really sucks to here about someone who served our country, and risked a lot to do so, commit suicide. I know military suicide seems to be a growing trend, and that sucks.
Sorry for anybody who's lost a close one to suicide.
Any life lost is not good (there are exceptions I guess...), but I think it really sucks to here about someone who served our country, and risked a lot to do so, commit suicide. I know military suicide seems to be a growing trend, and that sucks.
I’d be interested in hearing how many of them commit suicide because of combat/ptsd repercussions as opposed to those who just felt hopeless dealing with life outside of the service (that’s probably bad wording).
What kind of psychological tests are done before a kid (they’re kids to me) get accepted and head out to serve? I honestly don’t know.
What kind of psychological tests are done before a kid (they’re kids to me) get accepted and head out to serve? I honestly don’t know.
Don't send soldiers off to needless wars. That is a good start.
Sorry about your loss. As someone that occasionally deals with the scene afterwards, it is extremely troubling. I've had to look at suicide scenes from a 14 yr old girl to a 75 year old grandmother. Suicide is horrible
Sorry about your loss. As someone that occasionally deals with the scene afterwards, it is extremely troubling. I've had to look at suicide scenes from a 14 yr old girl to a 75 year old grandmother. Suicide is horrible
May 9 my Grandson who lived with me for 2 years moved to his new apartment, had a new job to start making nice money. He was 20 years old.
I never ever heard a cuss word come from his mouth. He was a youth group leader in church and been on a missionary trip 2 years earlier. Never missed church and did many hours of volunteer work.
I got a call no body could contact him on the 30th.
Two hours later I found him slumped over by a creek AR sitting in his lap. He had shot himself in the face.
He had locked his car keys, billfold, phone and I pad in his apartment. Put his apartment key inside his car and locked the door.
Never ever any sign of mental illness in 20 years.
If you haven't experienced suicide in a personal way you just can't truly understand. It's been devastating to our family. I cry everyday, sometimes times for long periods.
Every 40 seconds someone commits.
Suicide doesn't relive the pain, it just passes to someone else.
I never ever heard a cuss word come from his mouth. He was a youth group leader in church and been on a missionary trip 2 years earlier. Never missed church and did many hours of volunteer work.
I got a call no body could contact him on the 30th.
Two hours later I found him slumped over by a creek AR sitting in his lap. He had shot himself in the face.
He had locked his car keys, billfold, phone and I pad in his apartment. Put his apartment key inside his car and locked the door.
Never ever any sign of mental illness in 20 years.
If you haven't experienced suicide in a personal way you just can't truly understand. It's been devastating to our family. I cry everyday, sometimes times for long periods.
Every 40 seconds someone commits.
Suicide doesn't relive the pain, it just passes to someone else.
We lost a close friend one year ago this past Saturday. 24 years old and left behind a little 5 year old son. She was my daughters best friend and none of us ever suspected she would've done something like this.
She seemed happy and adored her little boy. We were shocked and saddened to hear of this happening. We stay in contact with her mother, who has custody of the son. It's just tragic that sweet little man is going to grow up without his mother and a no account father.
She seemed happy and adored her little boy. We were shocked and saddened to hear of this happening. We stay in contact with her mother, who has custody of the son. It's just tragic that sweet little man is going to grow up without his mother and a no account father.
I think there is usually a big window to possibly help somebody that will eventually commit suicide but the problem is noticing they need help. The signs are often subtle and many never mention that they intend to do that, sometimes even hiding their sadness behind humor or drugs etc....
There are millions of veterans in the country, most aren’t in their 20’s fresh out of combat.
Someone in their 50’s or 60’s commits suicide, yet served when they were 18 gets put in the group of 22 a day. Although their military time has nothing to do with it.
That stinks OP.
My uncle shot himself several years ago. He was depressed for the longest. My aunt tried to get him as much help as possible. She removed all the guns from their home. Someone mistakenly brought one over to their house one day to show it to their son. He grabbed it and ran into a room a ended his life. That's been several years now and my aunt still struggles with it.
But I can think of 5 to 6 people in the last 5 years who have done so who my wife and I were close to. It is a bad trend that I am not sure will taper off any time soon.
My uncle shot himself several years ago. He was depressed for the longest. My aunt tried to get him as much help as possible. She removed all the guns from their home. Someone mistakenly brought one over to their house one day to show it to their son. He grabbed it and ran into a room a ended his life. That's been several years now and my aunt still struggles with it.
But I can think of 5 to 6 people in the last 5 years who have done so who my wife and I were close to. It is a bad trend that I am not sure will taper off any time soon.
It’s hard out here. Sometimes it can be a lonely world. I wonder what roles social Media and technology play, as we live in a fast paced world. Depression is a SOB
I have had 4 friends commit suicide in the last 30 years. None were veterans. None left a note. I believe 3 were due to physical health issues and 1 was mental health.
I had a former step-nephew that was an Iraq/Afghanistan war vet. He died in a single car crash. My brother suspects that it was suicide.
One of my daughter's friends (8th grader) is in the hospital recovering from an attempted suicide. I'm not sure what the method was. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.
Depression and suicidal thoughts suck.
One of my daughter's friends (8th grader) is in the hospital recovering from an attempted suicide. I'm not sure what the method was. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.
Depression and suicidal thoughts suck.
Perhaps there's a better way to spend $30 million other than on a parade?
When I was going to be a firefighter I was getting my shadowing hours with an ambulance team in gtown and we had a grandfather shoot half his face off with the entire family in the house. This was my first ever run on an ambulance. Once I figured out it was alot more stuff like that than it was actually fighting fires I decided not to go down that path. He was still alive when we got there but it was clear he wasn't gonna make it. Awful.
They have proven a direct correlation between suicides in the news and the increase of actual suicides occurring soon after. I often wonder if being sympathetic (perhaps not the best word) towards those who have committed suicide encourages others to do the same. According to the research, people don't kill themselves to get sympathy, so perhaps not. However, these two data points seem to contradict each other.
All that said, to the folks on this thread who have been affected by it, especially BlueTick, I hope you eventually find peace. We had a cousin who killed herself. By the evidence, it looks like after she started the process she had second thoughts, but it was too late.
All that said, to the folks on this thread who have been affected by it, especially BlueTick, I hope you eventually find peace. We had a cousin who killed herself. By the evidence, it looks like after she started the process she had second thoughts, but it was too late.
My mom in 2007 a few months after my parents' divorce. She had moved back to France and I was going to surprise her while on a business trip to Belgium. Found her in her bed, gun on the floor. She had been gone at least 3 days.
I knew she was having a bit of a hard time and even in hindsight there weren't many signs that something was seriously wrong. Toxicology was completely clean. The only clue that was discovered when I was selling her villa and found a Nathaniel Hawthorne book with post-it notes from the past couple of months essentially constituting, in totality, a suicide letter addressed to me. It wasn't completely impulsive.
Will never be able to get over it, I'm pretty sure, and got in a really dark place trying to figure it all out. I never wish to try to ruminate to the point of attempted understanding again. I miss her and hate that she's missing out on so many great family memories with my children and the rest of our family. It's beyond terrible. Thoughts are always with the loved ones and friends of others who have chosen that path.
I knew she was having a bit of a hard time and even in hindsight there weren't many signs that something was seriously wrong. Toxicology was completely clean. The only clue that was discovered when I was selling her villa and found a Nathaniel Hawthorne book with post-it notes from the past couple of months essentially constituting, in totality, a suicide letter addressed to me. It wasn't completely impulsive.
Will never be able to get over it, I'm pretty sure, and got in a really dark place trying to figure it all out. I never wish to try to ruminate to the point of attempted understanding again. I miss her and hate that she's missing out on so many great family memories with my children and the rest of our family. It's beyond terrible. Thoughts are always with the loved ones and friends of others who have chosen that path.
Kind of a personal question, but how did your dad handle it given that they just divorced?
Thoughts and prayers op. I’ve had friends serve but thankfully none have committed suicide. Everyone reacts to what they witnessed while serving differently. Most wont talk about it. My one buddy will share some things but most he keeps to himself. As for suicide by drugs I’ve had to go to one of those before. The guy felt like his dad didn’t care for him. He went to his grandmas house, shot up, and wrapped a cord around his neck on a clothesline so they would find him hanging there. It’s truly sad. Don’t get me wrong we have all been depressed at one time I or another but I couldn’t take my own life. I wish those who consider it would speak up but I think some feel they are looked at as weak if they were to do so.
I think it's still a process for him and for me. It was such a shock at the beginning and he had to endure the entire investigation process that goes along with something like that. We talked about it over time, mostly years later when it felt ok. I learned a lot more about their relationship, my dad, and my mom in general. Mostly random stuff I never knew about, not bad experiences. That was one "good" thing that resulted: we became closer.
Sorry for your loss, man.
I've lost an uncle, close childhood friend and former co-worker to suicide in the last 6 years. My uncle even appeared to have it all - hot wife, big house, great job, 4 cars, 2 boats, great kids and all the money he could ever want. Just goes to show you don't truly know what happens behind closed doors in other people's lives.
My wife has been diagnosed with major depressive disorder that first reared its ugly head about 3 years into our marriage. She attempted to take her life in 2010, but I was able to enlist her family's help, and we checked her into a facility against her will for 72 hours. She said at the time she hated all of us, but looking back on it, we saved her life. Since then, she's been a great advocate of ending the stigma on mental health.
The best advice I can offer is check on people; intervene if you sense you should, the worst that can happen if your inkling was wrong is you embarrass yourself; end the stupid GD stigma of mental illness - Brain's an organ too, nobody looks at you side ways if your heart don't work right, but if it's your brain ...; try to understand and empathize with people who have mental problems or have overcome traumatic situations including war, death of family member or child, addiction or prior sexual/physical abuse. Be kind to these folks, don't ostracize them.
For veterans: US gov't should pay for these guys to have the best mental health care possible - including therapy - and the military branches need to back off that "REAL men don't talk about their feelings" tough guy ******** that's never helped a single person get past a traumatic experience.
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA. Seriously. I have a friend who did 3 tours in Afghanistan and his PTSD is terrible. All the VA-issued benzos and painkillers in the world don't help. Give dude 3-5 hits of weed before bed and he says he's mellow, calm and able to sleep all the way through the night without the intense night terrors. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
I've lost an uncle, close childhood friend and former co-worker to suicide in the last 6 years. My uncle even appeared to have it all - hot wife, big house, great job, 4 cars, 2 boats, great kids and all the money he could ever want. Just goes to show you don't truly know what happens behind closed doors in other people's lives.
My wife has been diagnosed with major depressive disorder that first reared its ugly head about 3 years into our marriage. She attempted to take her life in 2010, but I was able to enlist her family's help, and we checked her into a facility against her will for 72 hours. She said at the time she hated all of us, but looking back on it, we saved her life. Since then, she's been a great advocate of ending the stigma on mental health.
The best advice I can offer is check on people; intervene if you sense you should, the worst that can happen if your inkling was wrong is you embarrass yourself; end the stupid GD stigma of mental illness - Brain's an organ too, nobody looks at you side ways if your heart don't work right, but if it's your brain ...; try to understand and empathize with people who have mental problems or have overcome traumatic situations including war, death of family member or child, addiction or prior sexual/physical abuse. Be kind to these folks, don't ostracize them.
For veterans: US gov't should pay for these guys to have the best mental health care possible - including therapy - and the military branches need to back off that "REAL men don't talk about their feelings" tough guy ******** that's never helped a single person get past a traumatic experience.
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA. Seriously. I have a friend who did 3 tours in Afghanistan and his PTSD is terrible. All the VA-issued benzos and painkillers in the world don't help. Give dude 3-5 hits of weed before bed and he says he's mellow, calm and able to sleep all the way through the night without the intense night terrors. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Wasn't going to bring it up, but my dad killed himself when I was 11. Stop trying to make sense of it, you can't. It takes a long time to get better and it will never stop hurting, just being honest. Think about the good times and just know if she was hurting that bad then she's in a much better place now. Losing a parent in that way is just a different animal.
Everyone should always pass love on to other people. Sometimes it can be just the simplest bit of positive conversation to change someone’s mood
Welp, as of yesterday I couldn’t contribute any personal experience with suicide. That was yesterday.
Last night, a dude I went to kindergarten thru high school hanged himself in his pizza shop. Father of three. He was posting funny **** on FB Wednesday.
Surreal.
Last night, a dude I went to kindergarten thru high school hanged himself in his pizza shop. Father of three. He was posting funny **** on FB Wednesday.
Surreal.
Depression can put people into holes they think are impossible to ever get out of, dark places.
A coworker attempted suicide with a pistol shot under his jaw but the bullet didn’t kill him, it left him blind. It bummed me out because he was a nice kid that was shy and somewhat quiet. We talked on breaks occasionally and I wished I had known he was that down, I just thought he wasn’t very outgoing.
Looking back on it I think he was searching for a reason to go on but never found it. I don’t think I could have made a difference because we weren’t close friends and I didn’t know enough about him to be a factor.
Looking back on it I think he was searching for a reason to go on but never found it. I don’t think I could have made a difference because we weren’t close friends and I didn’t know enough about him to be a factor.
Gosh, thats just too sad. I'm sorry that happened to your family
check out @codeofvets on twitter. this lady is fighting for our veterans.
sorry for your loss...
sorry for your loss...
Totally agree with this -
You never know when something innocuous you say or do may spark a significant reaction in someone else...
I was active duty until 2002 and while I took on some interesting assignments- I wasn’t ever in combat like some of these units have been
But even back then I vividly recall a visiting 2-star general (came to ramstein ab from the pentagon) telling us that the shift in policy that was using national guard units as frequently and as widely as if they were active duty - was going to rapidly erode readiness and ultimately “break” the services
I remember the army publishing papers from their “center for lessons learned “ (Leavenworth ks?) - outlining specific examples of armored units being repurposed to patrol streets in the former Yugoslavia....
What they found was that...since USArmy armored divisions / tanks were supposed to...destroy other enemy tanks - that having their men do foot patrol ERODED THEIR MILITARY READINESS
Fast forward to the era of never ending global war on “TERROR”....
Deployments that don’t end
Enemies that aren’t clearly identified
Families strained to the breaking point
A military mental health system and culture that makes it almost IMPOSSIBLE to self identify when you can’t take anymore....
And it goes on and on - no end in sight - conditions of victory unclear or non-existent
And that doesn’t touch on the insane/ black activities that may well rest on a mans conscience until he dies
In 2014 we learned that about 35 military veterans were committing Suicide A DAY...
(the numbers were believed to actually be higher since the VA found a way to get some of their patients removed from the data pool)
We need big picture changes that ultimately END the “global war on terror “ and give our beleaguered GIs a respite
We also needed changes in the VA system which DID START UNDER THIS PRESIDENTS ADMIN (have details if interested)
And we need friends/family/churches/civic groups and others to be engaged and communicating with GIs - especially young active duty families and ...sadder still, the population of homeless veterans we have in this country
Suicides were up across multiple demographics - as of about a year ago
That fact was quickly referenced (cited of course) in the VAs paper that reported the sad facts about veterans and the skyrocketing suicide rate in 2014
I used to keep a copy of the report at home and will regain it
You should easily be able to google a copy
Unless that’s been deemed “hate speech” and suppressed by the sociopaths that are increasingly intervening with certain commutation channels
(Only half serious there)
It’s depressing but it needs to be discussed. I’ve known a few people to comitt suicide and if depression and mental illness wasn’t such a taboo subject I feel lots of these suicides would be prevented. The more it’s discussed the more comfortable people who are struggling will be willing to admit it.
every 40 seconds today
by 2020 it's projected to be every 20 seconds
this needs to be discussed, coming to someone close to you, all to soon
RIP my boy 5-29-18