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rwhitney014

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Nice tidbit re: the Wooden tournament in Anaheim next November. Miami, Seton Hall (which graduates its entire core) and Utah already in the field as well.

We can also put to bed any Law grad transfer rumors, not that those had any grounding in reality.
 
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Figrating

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Good reading to reset the minds, 'cause 0 - 7 to close the season doesn't inspire. Really a shame that THIS team had to be displaced for renovations. With a real home advantage, they might have gone a lot farther.

The team will be better next season.

I can hardly wait to see the NEW ARENA!
 
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NJCat

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Figrating said:
With a real home advantage, they might have gone a lot farther.
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I think AA was the least of their issues this season. NU was pretty much chalk at AA until the injuries hit late in the season.
 
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Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan

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Fitzphile said:
What about Ash??? Dang it!!!!
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Double Dang! We won 4-5 and we're looking tournament bound with Ash. We lose Jordan and completely lose our defensive mojo and lose seven in a row. And oh yeah? Malnati plays before Brown! Where is walkerfan and his brilliant wisdom when you need em! This thread deserves my first ever " Mother of all Dangs" for TG for the omission of my man, Jordan Ash.
 
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Medill90

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BMac saying that Nance is a terrific player and Kopp is a baller after he played with each makes me a happy man.
 
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phatcat_rivals223240

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Figrating said:
Really a shame that THIS team had to be displaced for renovations. With a real home advantage, they might have gone a lot farther.
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No offense, Figrating, but why do people say this? We were 11-6 at home, had we been at WR, would we be, say, 14-3? What difference would it make, holding all other things equal (like injuries)? 18-14 doesn't take us anywhere, not even to the Not Invited Tournament.

I didn't attend any games at AA and I'm sure many of the games were like a tomb or away game, but the team wasn't successful enough to really do any more with a couple more wins at AA

Regardless, good riddance
 
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Jeffrey Cat

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Fitzphile said:
We got the answer to the age-old question about how many season tickets: 4,000.

And no way BMac can be another Dellavedova. Bryant's just too likable a guy!
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Regarding the 4,000 limit on season tickets, that doesn’t sound right to me. How many student seats are there? I think the 4,000 number are those season tickets with a donation attached. It is my understanding there are additional non donation season tickets in the upper level. In fact I know of people who have purchased them. Why would you limit the number of season tickets sold, if you have 1500 seats left after students, etc; and then not sell them as season tickets to the thousand or so people who want to buy them. There is no way they are that stupid. You do business that way and your going to see a lot of green, orange, maize, and red in those seats. I thought that is what we are trying to eliminate.
 
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NJCat

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Jeffrey Cat said:
Regarding the 4,000 limit on season tickets, that doesn’t sound right to me. How many student seats are there? I think the 4,000 number are those season tickets with a donation attached. It is my understanding there are additional non donation season tickets in the upper level. In fact I know of people who have purchased them. Why would you limit the number of season tickets sold, if you have 1500 seats left after students, etc; and then not sell them as season tickets to the thousand or so people who want to buy them. There is no way they are that stupid. You do business that way and your going to see a lot of green, orange, maize, and red in those seats. I thought that is what we are trying to eliminate.
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No matter how many season tix are sold, the reality is that these ticket holders can and do sell their tickets to visitors. Maybe holding back 2,000 tickets will allow NU fans who can't afford or don't have the time to go to all the games to at least cherry pick the ones they do attend. My bet is that even if they sold all non-student seats to season ticket holders, there will still be plenty of orange, red, maize and green in the stands during B1g season.....
 
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Walker Fan

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Oh the neanderthal of posters strikes again. Oh no. NU did not make the Elite 8 as you predicted.

And no, Ash was not missed in the last 8 games that he missed. He was not missed when NU blew a 27 point lead v. MSU. NU needed scoring punch or buckets in its last few games. Ash and his 2 ppg was not needed. And no, he is not a defensive stopper. He is not a PG and is a combo guard who would be exposed if he started for NU. Lathon will be the starter next season. As for Ash, he is not a Big 10 level player. If they don't want to play Brown then they need to bring in a 5th year graduate transfer at PG because Ash is not the answer at the PG. They will regret their decision of Ash as their backup PG.

It is a shame that the coaching staff can't figure out how to develop Brown who is a superior basketball player than Ash and that is their loss.

The coaching staff needs to do some real soul searching: 1. They should have played Benson more in a big lineup with Pardon and should have realized years ago that Skelly should not be getting starter minutes. His game has major limitations, but we needed a PF after 13 seasons of failing to recruit a real PF under the inept prior regime; 2. The coaching staff should not have refused to use a zone for the first 10 games; 3. The coaching staff should have mixed man to man and zone defenses in its games like UM does. Beilen is a superior coach and gets the most of his players every year. Collins should learn from him; 4. there needs to be more offensive plays instead of the dribble hand off at the top of the key particularly because Law can not create off the dribble; 5. there should have been more plays called for Pardon who still shot a very high FG percentage instead of relying on 25 foot bail out jump shots from Lindsey on repeated occasions. Collins' offensive strategies need to be called into question; and 5. they need to learn to hand in the starting lineup before games. That was an inexcusable technical v. Texas Tech. Never have seen that in 40 years of watching college basketball.
 
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FitzFan

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Jeffrey Cat said:
Regarding the 4,000 limit on season tickets, that doesn’t sound right to me. How many student seats are there? I think the 4,000 number are those season tickets with a donation attached. It is my understanding there are additional non donation season tickets in the upper level. In fact I know of people who have purchased them. Why would you limit the number of season tickets sold, if you have 1500 seats left after students, etc; and then not sell them as season tickets to the thousand or so people who want to buy them. There is no way they are that stupid. You do business that way and your going to see a lot of green, orange, maize, and red in those seats. I thought that is what we are trying to eliminate.
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They’re trying to artificially limit supply to increase demand. Placing required donations on ticket packages like we’ve been a huge draw in the Chicago sports scene...It’s as stupid as slapping tariffs on steel imports. It won’t work. We’re still going to have 1/2 empty seats because the old guys with deep pockets who could afford seats close to the court either won’t show up or will sell their tickets to fans of the opposing team. I’m optimistic that fan turnout will improve a bit, and I’m super optimistic about the future of the team, but I’m incredibly disappointed in the sports marketing folks (including Dr. Jim). They took a golden opportunity to attract new, young fans from the area and chose to milk it for a bit of extra cash, instead.
 
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Walker Fan

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Oh and Teddy G. is a puppet for the coaching staff. He fell for BC’s alibis for not being able to recruit talented enough players to make the tourney and now he is regurgitating the current regime’s slant in this column. He did step over the line with his column on Tuesday claiming NU’s woes on not working hard enough (coaches’ alibis) and spending too much time with girlfriends. A more factual argument would be that certain players hit their athletic ceiling and could not adjust when teams game planned to stop them. The backup players could not step up when the starters were having off nights.
 
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Figrating

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phatcat said:
No offense, Figrating, but why do people say this? We were 11-6 at home, had we been at WR, would we be, say, 14-3? What difference would it make, holding all other things equal (like injuries)? 18-14 doesn't take us anywhere, not even to the Not Invited Tournament.

I didn't attend any games at AA and I'm sure many of the games were like a tomb or away game, but the team wasn't successful enough to really do any more with a couple more wins at AA

Regardless, good riddance
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If that's all there is to having a home court advantage, OK, but three more home W's - one of which could have been MSU - gives this team confidence and momentum, which could mean more away Ws. In addition, IMO, the commute took daily energy that could have been spent on the court.

Now that the season is over, maybe we'll get some candor on this issue from the players.
 
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NJCat

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Figrating said:
In addition, IMO, the commute took daily energy that could have been spent on the court.
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The players practiced right on campus in Blomquist. They spent less energy commuting than if they had the old practice facilities at the dump formerly known as WRA.
 
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MysticCat

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Walker Fan said:
Oh the neanderthal of posters strikes again. Oh no. NU did not make the Elite 8 as you predicted.

And no, Ash was not missed in the last 8 games that he missed. He was not missed when NU blew a 27 point lead v. MSU. NU needed scoring punch or buckets in its last few games. Ash and his 2 ppg was not needed. And no, he is not a defensive stopper. He is not a PG and is a combo guard who would be exposed if he started for NU. Lathon will be the starter next season. As for Ash, he is not a Big 10 level player. If they don't want to play Brown then they need to bring in a 5th year graduate transfer at PG because Ash is not the answer at the PG. They will regret their decision of Ash as their backup PG.

It is a shame that the coaching staff can't figure out how to develop Brown who is a superior basketball player than Ash and that is their loss.

The coaching staff needs to do some real soul searching: 1. They should have played Benson more in a big lineup with Pardon and should have realized years ago that Skelly should not be getting starter minutes. His game has major limitations, but we needed a PF after 13 seasons of failing to recruit a real PF under the inept prior regime; 2. The coaching staff should not have refused to use a zone for the first 10 games; 3. The coaching staff should have mixed man to man and zone defenses in its games like UM does. Beilen is a superior coach and gets the most of his players every year. Collins should learn from him; 4. there needs to be more offensive plays instead of the dribble hand off at the top of the key particularly because Law can not create off the dribble; 5. there should have been more plays called for Pardon who still shot a very high FG percentage instead of relying on 25 foot bail out jump shots from Lindsey on repeated occasions. Collins' offensive strategies need to be called into question; and 5. they need to learn to hand in the starting lineup before games. That was an inexcusable technical v. Texas Tech. Never have seen that in 40 years of watching college basketball.
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after 13 seasons of failing to recruit a real PF under the inept prior regime...

Yes!

Enough Vukusics, Cobles and Shurnas. Let’s go find the next Gavin Skelly!
 
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xxxbobxxx

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Walker Fan said:
Shurna and Coble were small forwards but nice try.
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Gee Walkee, seems like people have started tuning you out...kinda like the coaching staff. Guess after 40 years, it might be time for you to make a switch. Curling looked pretty interesting...and simple...maybe you can lend your brilliance to that sport...

Like mike says to mystic, I suspect something similar ____ sucks could become your tag line. Oh, and the irony that only you miss, your man crush on Brown rivals wrassler re Ash. Except, nobody here thinks wrassler is serious.
 
Max_Power

Max_Power

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FitzFan said:
They’re trying to artificially limit supply to increase demand. Placing required donations on ticket packages like we’ve been a huge draw in the Chicago sports scene...It’s as stupid as slapping tariffs on steel imports. It won’t work. We’re still going to have 1/2 empty seats because the old guys with deep pockets who could afford seats close to the court either won’t show up or will sell their tickets to fans of the opposing team. I’m optimistic that fan turnout will improve a bit, and I’m super optimistic about the future of the team, but I’m incredibly disappointed in the sports marketing folks (including Dr. Jim). They took a golden opportunity to attract new, young fans from the area and chose to milk it for a bit of extra cash, instead.
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From what I understand, the seat fees were done for 3 reasons: (1) create a revenue stream of a couple million for the program; (2) give value to seats so that (a) people will not buy seats just bc they are cheap and (b) seats will get used more because people will have less seats - there is a soft cap at 4 seats per season ticketholder; and (3) keep arena purple by making it not profitable to scalp tickets. What you seem to be upset with is the fact that new season ticket holders can not get cheap season tickets. I can't agree on that especially when there is no evidence of any huge demand by new season ticket holders. If they succeed increasing the usage rate of tickets and eliminate the attraction to scalpers to but season tickets, effectively making the arena more purple, how is that bad?
 
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JournCat

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Could we track the ticket holders who scalp the most and revoke their renewal rights for the following season?
 
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willycat

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Max_Power said:
From what I understand, the seat fees were done for 3 reasons: (1) create a revenue stream of a couple million for the program; (2) give value to seats so that (a) people will not buy seats just bc they are cheap and (b) seats will get used more because people will have less seats - there is a soft cap at 4 seats per season ticketholder; and (3) keep arena purple by making it not profitable to scalp tickets. What you seem to be upset with is the fact that new season ticket holders can not get cheap season tickets. I can't agree on that especially when there is no evidence of any huge demand by new season ticket holders. If they succeed increasing the usage rate of tickets and eliminate the attraction to scalpers to but season tickets, effectively making the arena more purple, how is that bad?
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Or they can just re-do the gym again and set capacity at around 2,000. Students and players parents and the top 100 donors. That should make the gym purple or maybe not.
 
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FitzFan

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Max_Power said:
From what I understand, the seat fees were done for 3 reasons: (1) create a revenue stream of a couple million for the program; (2) give value to seats so that (a) people will not buy seats just bc they are cheap and (b) seats will get used more because people will have less seats - there is a soft cap at 4 seats per season ticketholder; and (3) keep arena purple by making it not profitable to scalp tickets. What you seem to be upset with is the fact that new season ticket holders can not get cheap season tickets. I can't agree on that especially when there is no evidence of any huge demand by new season ticket holders. If they succeed increasing the usage rate of tickets and eliminate the attraction to scalpers to but season tickets, effectively making the arena more purple, how is that bad?
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You make good points, and I agree that the new measures will make scalping tickets a much less profitable enterprise. I'm not as hopeful as you are that the donations will encourage certain folks to actually use their seats, but if you're right then that would absolutely be a good thing.

I don't like the policy because I feel it:
1. Prices previous STH's out of equivalent seats in the new arena (a personal issue)
2. Prices younger alumni, who don't yet have the disposable income or savings to be able to afford a large donation, out of decent seats
3. Discourages potential new STH's from purchasing season tickets, especially those who have no affiliation with the University but who enjoy cheering for the team. (the folks who we've been trying to attract with the whole "Chicago's B1G Team" campaign)

I can expand on any of these points if you'd like to hear my rationale in detail. I think it's great that we've apparently sold out our STH allotment. But I think the people who were able to afford those tickets are largely the same folks who previously held purple preferred seats. They'll show up to 1/2 the games (unless your theory is correct, which it could be), they'll sit through the entire game, and they'll get pissy with anyone who yells or cheers aggressively. I'm hopeful that the reduction in overall seating and discouragement of scalping improves the home environment, but I think the marketing department really screwed a great opportunity to attract new, young, engaged fans that would have improved the environment even more.
 
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Max_Power

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FitzFan said:
You make good points, and I agree that the new measures will make scalping tickets a much less profitable enterprise. I'm not as hopeful as you are that the donations will encourage certain folks to actually use their seats, but if you're right then that would absolutely be a good thing.

I don't like the policy because I feel it:
1. Prices previous STH's out of equivalent seats in the new arena (a personal issue)
2. Prices younger alumni, who don't yet have the disposable income or savings to be able to afford a large donation, out of decent seats
3. Discourages potential new STH's from purchasing season tickets, especially those who have no affiliation with the University but who enjoy cheering for the team. (the folks who we've been trying to attract with the whole "Chicago's B1G Team" campaign)

I can expand on any of these points if you'd like to hear my rationale in detail. I think it's great that we've apparently sold out our STH allotment. But I think the people who were able to afford those tickets are largely the same folks who previously held purple preferred seats. They'll show up to 1/2 the games (unless your theory is correct, which it could be), they'll sit through the entire game, and they'll get pissy with anyone who yells or cheers aggressively. I'm hopeful that the reduction in overall seating and discouragement of scalping improves the home environment, but I think the marketing department really screwed a great opportunity to attract new, young, engaged fans that would have improved the environment even more.
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I think they faced a tough call. One thing I have realized is that NU fans have been spoiled in terms of access and cost for years because the team is the worst power 5 program. Here's the thing, every point you raise will be 1000 times more evident if CC does not get the team to the tourney soon. Right now, NU has the edge over the fans. That changes if the market shifts or if those tariffs destroy the economy.
 
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willycat

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FitzFan said:
You make good points, and I agree that the new measures will make scalping tickets a much less profitable enterprise. I'm not as hopeful as you are that the donations will encourage certain folks to actually use their seats, but if you're right then that would absolutely be a good thing.

I don't like the policy because I feel it:
1. Prices previous STH's out of equivalent seats in the new arena (a personal issue)
2. Prices younger alumni, who don't yet have the disposable income or savings to be able to afford a large donation, out of decent seats
3. Discourages potential new STH's from purchasing season tickets, especially those who have no affiliation with the University but who enjoy cheering for the team. (the folks who we've been trying to attract with the whole "Chicago's B1G Team" campaign)

I can expand on any of these points if you'd like to hear my rationale in detail. I think it's great that we've apparently sold out our STH allotment. But I think the people who were able to afford those tickets are largely the same folks who previously held purple preferred seats. They'll show up to 1/2 the games (unless your theory is correct, which it could be), they'll sit through the entire game, and they'll get pissy with anyone who yells or cheers aggressively. I'm hopeful that the reduction in overall seating and discouragement of scalping improves the home environment, but I think the marketing department really screwed a great opportunity to attract new, young, engaged fans that would have improved the environment even more.
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Totally agree and they spent millions to remodel the current smallest gym in the Big Ten.
 
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FitzFan

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Max_Power said:
I think they faced a tough call. One thing I have realized is that NU fans have been spoiled in terms of access and cost for years because the team is the worst power 5 program. Here's the thing, every point you raise will be 1000 times more evident if CC does not get the team to the tourney soon. Right now, NU has the edge over the fans. That changes if the market shifts or if those tariffs destroy the economy.
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Definitely agree with you there. I'm sure if I was a fan at any other school I wouldn't have been able to afford tickets in the first place, so I shouldn't be too upset.
 
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