Teague Travis
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Also, someone remind me I thought he was injured and done for the year? I assume he’s going to burn up a year just to wrestle in postseason?
Was supposed to be out for the year. But got healthy. Won a wrestle-off.
Guys want to wrestle. Med-shirt and redshirt is more loved by fans than the wrestlers. They're all ultimate competitors.
I have zero inside information but I would think you only make this move if Teague was clearly better.
Agreed - or if there is an injury issue.
Not to sound like an *** but based on Carter’s year it wouldn’t shock me at all if Teague worked him. As a coach I would lean towards a probable AA versus a long shot AA.
If this is the case I don’t see how Carter cracks the lineup going forward. I have seen minimal improvement in him over the last few years.
I have to believe that’s why he walked as a senior, I’ve been an advocate of his but it’s time.
I'll share what I know. Up until this change up Carter had full intentions of coming back next year. I do not know now. Carter won the wrestle off the week of the Iowa dual. I have no knowledge of a second wrestle off and my best guess is this was purely a coaches decision based on performance.
My heart goes out to Carter, great young man, great family. That being said I think this points to how DT and Co will approach things going forward. Wrestle hard, improve and compete Every. Single. Match. or you might lose your spot.
My heart goes out to Carter, great young man, great family. That being said I think this points to how DT and Co will approach things going forward. Wrestle hard, improve and compete Every. Single. Match. or you might lose your spot.
So if Travis finishes outside of the top 4, and doesn't automatically qualify for the NCAAs, will Carter Young be eligible for one of the NCAA tournament spots that are saved for ranked guys who underperform in their conference tournament? 
I would imagine you’d have to actually perform at your conference tournament.So if Travis finishes outside of the top 4, and doesn't automatically qualify for the NCAAs, will Carter Young be eligible for one of the NCAA tournament spots that are saved for ranked guys who underperform in their conference tournament?
Top 6So if Travis finishes outside of the top 4, and doesn't automatically qualify for the NCAAs, will Carter Young be eligible for one of the NCAA tournament spots that are saved for ranked guys who underperform in their conference tournament?
Only top 4 at 149 automatically qualify. Since Carter is not competing, the conference loses the spot. And to make matters worse, the ASU 149 lber who qualified a spot is also out so we’re down to 4 spots instead of 6.
IMO, this is a big risk. If Carter places outside the top 5 or 6, he likely gets an at-large bid. Don’t think that will be the case for Teague if he places outside the top 4.
IMO, this is a big risk. If Carter places outside the top 5 or 6, he likely gets an at-large bid. Don’t think that will be the case for Teague if he places outside the top 4.
I am pretty sure the Big 12 allocated 6 spots? Not saying you are wrong, but I thought that meant we sent the top 6 from the tourney?
Looking at the brackets, Teague will either have to beat Paniro (semis) to make the finals or Mcdougald at least once on the backside to make the consi finals (3rd/4th). Doable but he has to be ready for the speed of both when they finally shoot.
I believe its 4 now. When guys who earned an allocation are no longer competing we lose those spots. I could be wrong.
Vasquez from ASU dropped out as well.
I do think not competing means losing the AQ spot is the case as this board isnt the only place I have seen this, but I will say it's impossible to find this in the actual rules somewhere! Top6 should be doable. Top 4 is a little more daunting for a guy we haven't seen in a few months.
I will say most of the wording says "the conference was awarded the AQ spot based on the wrestlers performance" so maybe once it's been awarded it's locked in? Hopeful
I don't think they're going to give them to Big 12 guys just because. Teague coming in 0-0 at 149 this year almost certainly will not get an at-large bid. He needs to finish top 4 this weekend
This is the first decision the staff has made that’ll either leave us going “Wow that was a stroke of brilliance!” Or “Did these guys have a stroke?”
Rin Sakamoto going against the #1 guy on the road in Carver for his first-ever folkstyle match was the first shocking decision of the DT era. I liked it when it happened and I still think it was a good decision.
Teague going in place of Carter in the postseason, coming off a long layoff from injury and down a weight is even more shocking. I don't have an opinion on this one, but I sure hope it works out!
I’m also slightly concerned with my “blind belief” that these are the right choices but I’m running with.
Hindsight is 20/20!! We wont know until we know if it was a good decision or not. Neither will DT and staff.
The 6 that earned the spot for the conference have to wrestle in the conference tournament - if anyone doesn't the conference looses the spot. This was the issue a few years ago when Chandler Rogers qualified and didn't wrestle. Joe Smith placed high enough to get to NCAA, but that pushed someone out that would have qualified if Chandler wrestled.
The general opinion was that Rin wrestled because a loss by Reece would have lost an allocation spot for the Big12 at the weight.
Yup. And he basically confirmed that in his media interview today
Surgical answer. You've taken a very hands on approach to this question. I couldn't put my finger on it at first but you've pointed me in the right direction. And thats no Bull..............Durham
I know this has been answered already, but I thought I would add the official wording from the NCAA Selection Criteria Grid for completeness:
"If a wrestler who earned a pre-allocated spot, but does not compete in the conference tournament, that spot will be removed from the conference allocations and put back in the pool for at-large selections. EXCEPTION: A conference can maintain the pre-allocated spot if the wrestler who earned the spot is replaced by a wrestler who would have an RPI Rank and Winning Percentage that would have still earned a pre-allocated spot for the conference."
"If a wrestler who earned a pre-allocated spot, but does not compete in the conference tournament, that spot will be removed from the conference allocations and put back in the pool for at-large selections. EXCEPTION: A conference can maintain the pre-allocated spot if the wrestler who earned the spot is replaced by a wrestler who would have an RPI Rank and Winning Percentage that would have still earned a pre-allocated spot for the conference."
You just don't make this move unless you feel awesome about how Teague looks. That doesn't mean it will work for us. Just saying you don't swap if its a 55/45 decision.
Happy to dissect further in Philly if that is helpful
. By then we will understand the benefits of the decision.Can't help but feel for Carter, but whatever the situation is, we can be pretty sure it ain't about playing favorites. LFG Teague.
If Teague beats Carter in the room this week and you feel there is more upside with him I don’t see the problem. Doesn’t have to be huge upside you see or expect.
Carter isn’t scoring points in a few weeks. Teague might or at least the staff thinks he might. Neither will put up many.
I just looked up what is looked at for selecting the at large bids. Six spots were allocated, and is down to four, but performance at the conference tournament is factored in. The teams RPI is also factored in. He definitely has some decent wins, just not this year, but finished R16 last year at 157. Wonder if past year results weigh in on the decision at all? If he is healthy and is not too rusty, I think he can win this bracket. That would be the best way to get into Nationals, or he can just finish in the Top 4. haha
- Selection Criteria:
The NCAA Division I Wrestling Committee uses several factors to determine at-large qualifiers, including:
- Head-to-head competition: Results against wrestlers who have already qualified.
- Quality wins: Wins against highly ranked opponents.
- Results against common opponents: Head-to-head results against wrestlers who wrestled the same opponents.
- Winning percentage: Overall win percentage during the regular season.
- Ratings Percentage Index (RPI): A ranking system that measures a team's strength of schedule.
- Coaches' Ranking: Rankings compiled by coaches in the wrestling community.
- Conference tournament finish: Performance at the conference tournament, even if it didn't result in automatic qualification.
- Head-to-head competition: Results against wrestlers who have already qualified.