Team will be fine...

Por Scout

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Oct 3, 2017
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There is more raw talent on the team than they’be ever had, but they need to gel as a team, establish roles, and build confidence. This team is in a feeling out process and needs to commit a to a point guard and let the young guys play a lot. Responsility on coaches to do the aforementioned.

Line up should be:

Starters
Greer. - Point guard
Taylor. Shooting guard
Nance Forward
Pardon. Center
Law. Forward

Off bench:
Kopp. Shooter/scorer
Benson. Defender/inside presence
Turner. Sub at either guard
Ash. Sub at guard
Falzon. Sub at forward/scorer
Gaines. Defender
 
Feb 25, 2015
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There is more raw talent on the team than they’be ever had, but they need to gel as a team, establish roles, and build confidence. This team is in a feeling out process and needs to commit a to a point guard and let the young guys play a lot. Responsility on coaches to do the aforementioned.

Line up should be:

Starters
Greer. - Point guard
Taylor. Shooting guard
Nance Forward
Pardon. Center
Law. Forward

Off bench:
Kopp. Shooter/scorer
Benson. Defender/inside presence
Turner. Sub at either guard
Ash. Sub at guard
Falzon. Sub at forward/scorer
Gaines. Defender
If teams press Northwestern,like Fresno and LaSalle, we may need a two guard lineup. I’m impressed with GREER. He looks better than Bmac! But he needs more help from smaller guards bringing up the ball. Gaines can’t dribble well enough. May need backcourt help from Ash. As soon as Ash is 100 percent, he will start, but I think he needs Greer if they press us, which Michigan will do on December fourth.
 

Figrating

Redshirt
Dec 19, 2007
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I agree that the team is stronger with Greer. Greer may not have the shots that the coaches like/want, but the rest of the team seems to get better when he plays.
 

TheC

All-Conference
May 29, 2001
19,093
1,164
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I don't really get the love for Greer. I hope he develops into a solid player, but I don't see him as a four-year starter. He still lacks foot speed on both ends. He really isn't much of a shooter at this point. He even misses his free throws, which drives me nuts. And he had a number of turnovers against the press so its not like he instantly solves our ball handling problem. I'd much rather see them use the Turner-Law-Taylor trifecta mixing in Kopp and Nance with the big men.
 

Chuckster1973

Redshirt
May 3, 2018
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No way Nance should be starting at this time. He is far too tentative and primarily shoots 3-pointers. Kopp is more aggressive and can drive the ball to the basket.
 

Sec_112

Sophomore
Jun 17, 2001
6,599
195
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I can see EITHER Greer or Nance playing starters minutes. For a while, I don't think the two should be sharing those minutes much at the same time. That's an awful lot of freshman tentative.
 

NJCat

All-Conference
Mar 7, 2016
21,326
1,501
113
No way Nance should be starting at this time. He is far too tentative and primarily shoots 3-pointers.
Pete strikes me as a kid who is still growing into his body. He seems gawky and slow footed and looks to be thinking rather than reacting. Very surprising that he is such a mediocre FT shooter when his outside shot is so sweet. He'll be OK in the long run, but I don't think we can count on much this season.

Hope to be proven wrong though!!!
 

Hungry Jack

All-Conference
Nov 17, 2008
37,131
2,635
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I think the team we see now will be quite different from the team we see near season's end (assuming they all stay healthy). I like where this team is headed.
 

hdhntr1

All-Conference
Sep 5, 2006
37,219
1,071
113
There is more raw talent on the team than they’be ever had, but they need to gel as a team, establish roles, and build confidence. This team is in a feeling out process and needs to commit a to a point guard and let the young guys play a lot. Responsility on coaches to do the aforementioned.

Line up should be:

Starters
Greer. - Point guard
Taylor. Shooting guard
Nance Forward
Pardon. Center
Law. Forward

Off bench:
Kopp. Shooter/scorer
Benson. Defender/inside presence
Turner. Sub at either guard
Ash. Sub at guard
Falzon. Sub at forward/scorer
Gaines. Defender
Greer needs to get stronger to assume the role you have set aside for him
 

Medill90

Junior
Jan 30, 2011
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I don't really get the love for Greer. I hope he develops into a solid player, but I don't see him as a four-year starter. He still lacks foot speed on both ends. He really isn't much of a shooter at this point. He even misses his free throws, which drives me nuts. And he had a number of turnovers against the press so its not like he instantly solves our ball handling problem. I'd much rather see them use the Turner-Law-Taylor trifecta mixing in Kopp and Nance with the big men.

Greer is a frosh but his NU bio indicates he shot .490 from three last year. Fyi, Kopp shot .440. They are excellent three point shooters who need to settle into their games and get confidence.

With Gaines, Greer is turning the ball over too much. The two of them are also on the court at the same time. Watching Greer's handle and decision making, he seems much more apt to sort out his TO issues once he settles into the speed of the college game. With that said, Turner looked much, much better the last two games....not talking about the shooting (which I don't have issues w) as much as the ball handling and distribution.

This is a better defensive team at this point than last year. A concern going into the season was can NU offset the lack of a pg with better defense. After six games, NU is +19 on turnovers....they forced Utah into 7ish more than its average. Last year at this point NU was +5. So, better than last year and one can argue with all the new pieces, should have more room for improvement.

NU has 92 assists to to 81 TO's. Last year at this point, 94 assists to 79 TO's.

As always, something that helps with assists is making open shots.
 

Pukecat

Redshirt
Sep 30, 2018
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I don't really get the love for Greer. I hope he develops into a solid player, but I don't see him as a four-year starter. He still lacks foot speed on both ends. He really isn't much of a shooter at this point. He even misses his free throws, which drives me nuts. And he had a number of turnovers against the press so its not like he instantly solves our ball handling problem. I'd much rather see them use the Turner-Law-Taylor trifecta mixing in Kopp and Nance with the big men.

People are predisposed to gravitate to the rules governing a traditional point guard role (e.g., typically a smaller, shorter, quick guy, dribbler/passer). Seeing as Ash and Greer fit the mold, though not necessarily in possession of the requisite skills, we might assume one of them should start at the 1.

Nowadays we might as well have Turner bringing the ball up. We have joined the positionless era. And I for one don’t mind it.
 

Walker Fan

Freshman
Feb 16, 2015
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The Big 10 is filled with traditional PGs. Simpson, Winston, Watson, Edwards, Cowan, Bohannon, and CJ Jackson are all 6’0” quick PGs. They will all blow by Turner. Gaines will be needed to try to defend some of these guys and Law might see some minutes, Greer and Ash will all be needed.
 

NJCat

All-Conference
Mar 7, 2016
21,326
1,501
113
The Big 10 is filled with traditional PGs. Simpson, Winston, Watson, Edwards, Cowan, Bohannon, and CJ Jackson are all 6’0” quick PGs. They will all blow by Turner. Gaines will be needed to try to defend some of these guys and Law might see some minutes, Greer and Ash will all be needed.
Dude.....Law always takes the best player. If its a PG then he's Law's man.
 

TheC

All-Conference
May 29, 2001
19,093
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The Big 10 is filled with traditional PGs. Simpson, Winston, Watson, Edwards, Cowan, Bohannon, and CJ Jackson are all 6’0” quick PGs. They will all blow by Turner. Gaines will be needed to try to defend some of these guys and Law might see some minutes, Greer and Ash will all be needed.
Minnesota has a 6'7" point guard and he's pretty darn good.
 

Medill90

Junior
Jan 30, 2011
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The Big 10 is filled with traditional PGs. Simpson, Winston, Watson, Edwards, Cowan, Bohannon, and CJ Jackson are all 6’0” quick PGs. They will all blow by Turner. Gaines will be needed to try to defend some of these guys and Law might see some minutes, Greer and Ash will all be needed.

I don't know if they'll blow by AJ...maybe, maybe not.

I do know that just about every game AJ does something athletically that is a "holy shoot....did he just do that."
 

mikewebb68

Senior
Oct 24, 2009
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Gaines, had his best game of the season yesterday, will be interesting if he can step it up...
 
Sep 9, 2015
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I don't know if they'll blow by AJ...maybe, maybe not.

I do know that just about every game AJ does something athletically that is a "holy shoot....did he just do that."
I agree worring about his defense is a little weird. He's one of our better defenders. Granted if someone's quick enough to blow by him we are sticking law on them. If they can blow by law consistently they have a chance at the next level.

Top defenders go law 1. pardon 2. then Turner or Gaines as 3. If we go perimeter defender then just take pardon off and you have your top 3.
 
Feb 25, 2015
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The Big 10 is filled with traditional PGs. Simpson, Winston, Watson, Edwards, Cowan, Bohannon, and CJ Jackson are all 6’0” quick PGs. They will all blow by Turner. Gaines will be needed to try to defend some of these guys and Law might see some minutes, Greer and Ash will all be needed.
Well said! Those dudes are fast! Greer and Ash are needed big time!