Terrible coaching by Collins

Deeringfish

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When Gaines committed his third foul in less than a minute and its technical. Gaines should have been benched for a couple of possessions to gain his composure. That fourth foul is on Collins for not paying attention to a guy who is trying too hard to carry the whole team.

Get your head in the game Chris!
 

JournCat

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I don’t disagree with the title, just the post. Gaines had a clean jump ball there.
 

Chuckster1973

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Thought CCC was perfect hire: pedigree, Chicago ties, recruiting capabilities. Now wonder if he is a bust. Hard to believe we are this bad.
 

mikewebb68

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In case people didn't see this on TV, Brian James was drawing up the play after the last timeout taken by NU. Collins was observing.

You mean the guy that drew up the Pardon play that clinched an NCAA bid for us? Oh, and I almost forgot, Carmody sucks.
 

IGNORE

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Mike, if things don’t turn around, you are going to become very busy arguing against everyone around here. I hope it doesn’t come to that. I hope the promise of big minutes and the open spots results in a grand surprise announcement adding to the next class. But things are looking pretty bad.
 

IGNORE

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Yup, the best coaches have the best assistants. Have a little fill in the blank for you: Camody Suck_.

Maybe a good time to back off Carmody. CCC isn’t looking very shiny right now. Poor in game coaching, poor minute distribution, recruiting flops and misses, poorly handled team chemistry. We got problems and throwing insults at the last coach is only going to reopen some nasty arguments that won’t end as well. And they didn’t end well last time.
 

scru

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I think he still has a ton of potential, but clearly something is off right now. I dont know basketball well enough to judge, but it is hard to see what they are trying to do offensively. Then again, I feel like the game overall had devolved into playground style. Either you have the talent to just win 1v1 matchups or you lose. But again, I don't know enough to even judge.

I do believe, sadly, that this years team has thrown in the towel. Gaines was the only guy I saw giving everything he had out there. He seems like a real fighter. For the rest, looks like lost confidence now and disappointment.

From the high of just 2 seasons ago, it does feel pretty low right now.

Where are the leaders on this team? It takes more than pushing guys in the chest. You also have to lead by example. When you've demanded everything from yourself, you've earned the right to do the same from others. Until then, dig deeper and keep the focus on what you can do. Make every cut your best, every screen, every box out, every transition run out, every defensive stance.

Simply put, there is not enough talent on this roster to give anything less than the absolute best effort possible and expect a win. This is not the attitude I see from this team.

If CCC is the problem, get him a mentor or some support. Jim has to make that call. He needs to fully believe as belief starts at the top. Go back and watch the speech he gave at the start of summer training in Ep1 of The Foundation. Does he seem inspired and full of optimism? To me, he actually seemed rattled and unsure.

I want this program to achieve what we all hope is possible. 2 seasons ago I was convinced CCC was the guy to do it. I've not given up yet. But maybe he needs some help right now.
 

mikewebb68

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Mike, if things don’t turn around, you are going to become very busy arguing against everyone around here. I hope it doesn’t come to that. I hope the promise of big minutes and the open spots results in a grand surprise announcement adding to the next class. But things are looking pretty bad.

Nah Bob, I only put the few Carmody-hugging trolls remaining that haven't been banned, like CometClear, in their place. I have no reason to argue with you, for example; why would I argue with someone who graciously improved their screenname? It was certainly a bad loss, no question. But my perspective is that I thought I would die without us ever going to the NCAAs, and we did and actually won a game, so anything we can do from here on out in my lifetime is gravy, Our football team is absolutely amazing to me, and since I follow women's b-ball as well, I can enjoy what I believe has the makings of a very special season for them. I, like many people out there who know about coaching, think CC is the bast man for the job, and it is not close for me. Jim is an amazing AD, and I think that what has been accomplished in football will be mirrored in basketball, and our patience as fans will be rewarded.
 

cometclear

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Maybe a good time to back off Carmody. CCC isn’t looking very shiny right now. Poor in game coaching, poor minute distribution, recruiting flops and misses, poorly handled team chemistry. We got problems and throwing insults at the last coach is only going to reopen some nasty arguments that won’t end as well. And they didn’t end well last time.

Remarkably, folks like this guy actually think they're doing Collins a favor by employing this moronic method of deflection. Of course, it only makes him look weaker.
 

mikewebb68

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Maybe a good time to back off Carmody. CCC isn’t looking very shiny right now. Poor in game coaching, poor minute distribution, recruiting flops and misses, poorly handled team chemistry. We got problems and throwing insults at the last coach is only going to reopen some nasty arguments that won’t end as well. And they didn’t end well last time.

Look at all of cometclear's posts and get back to me. He is similar to the banned MysticCat; a Carmody-hugger who could care less about this team.
 

mikewebb68

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Remarkably, folks like this guys actually think they're doing Collins a favor by employing this moronic method of deflection. Of course, it only makes him look weaker.

Dude, your troll game is really, really terrible. You're like a poor man's version of MysticCat. And, this just in--- Carmody sucks.
 

Fitz51

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Remarkably, folks like this guy actually think they're doing Collins a favor by employing this moronic method of deflection. Of course, it only makes him look weaker.

No one was weaker than Bill Carmody, though. I mean, maybe like a trained seal because it doesn’t have hands to grasp the ball one would pass around the perimeter endlessly. Though those types of seals DO tend to know how to balance balls on their noses. Hmm, probably can’t rebound, but Carmody never cared about that.
 

cometclear

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No one was weaker than Bill Carmody, though. I mean, maybe like a trained seal because it doesn’t have hands to grasp the ball one would pass around the perimeter endlessly. Though those types of seals DO tend to know how to balance balls on their noses. Hmm, probably can’t rebound, but Carmody never cared about that.

You apparently aren't old enough to have enjoyed Ricky Byrdsong's time at NU.

Beyond that, I wouldn't be knocking any other coaches after the display we watched tonight, at home, against a team that was o-for heading into this game. The disparity in athleticism was obvious against a conference opponent that is itself operating at a talent deficit against the rest of the conference.
 

mikewebb68

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Couldn't care less, not "could care less."
Excellent, glad you are acknowledging what everyone knows, that you are a Carmody-hugging troll that indeed couldn't care less about this team. See what I did there?

And, since you're helping out on grammar tonight can you tell me whether this is a correct grammatical sentence or not? It a simple one, that I believe you have seen before: "Carmody sucks!".

Thanks again for helping out!
 

mikewebb68

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You apparently aren't old enough to have enjoyed Ricky Byrdsong's time at NU.

Beyond that, I wouldn't be knocking any other coaches after the display we watched tonight, at home, against a team that was o-for heading into this game. The disparity in athleticism was obvious against a conference opponent that is itself operating at a talent deficit against the rest of the conference.

He's old enough to know a Carmody-hugging troll when he sees one...
 

Fitz51

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This Carmody stuff here makes me feel like I should go to a Bears board and wax poetically and longingly about Dave Wannstedt.
 

lunker35

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What I didn’t see in Collins tonight is a fire. Chalmers was all over the refs and in turn they were getting call after call. Collins almost had a Carmody shrug your shoulders approach after every call. Light a fire and get a T. It would turn the momentum around or at least make the refs think twice about some of those bizarre calls.
 

Purple Pile Driver

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I think he still has a ton of potential, but clearly something is off right now. I dont know basketball well enough to judge, but it is hard to see what they are trying to do offensively. Then again, I feel like the game overall had devolved into playground style. Either you have the talent to just win 1v1 matchups or you lose. But again, I don't know enough to even judge.

I do believe, sadly, that this years team has thrown in the towel. Gaines was the only guy I saw giving everything he had out there. He seems like a real fighter. For the rest, looks like lost confidence now and disappointment.

From the high of just 2 seasons ago, it does feel pretty low right now.

Where are the leaders on this team? It takes more than pushing guys in the chest. You also have to lead by example. When you've demanded everything from yourself, you've earned the right to do the same from others. Until then, dig deeper and keep the focus on what you can do. Make every cut your best, every screen, every box out, every transition run out, every defensive stance.

Simply put, there is not enough talent on this roster to give anything less than the absolute best effort possible and expect a win. This is not the attitude I see from this team.

If CCC is the problem, get him a mentor or some support. Jim has to make that call. He needs to fully believe as belief starts at the top. Go back and watch the speech he gave at the start of summer training in Ep1 of The Foundation. Does he seem inspired and full of optimism? To me, he actually seemed rattled and unsure.

I want this program to achieve what we all hope is possible. 2 seasons ago I was convinced CCC was the guy to do it. I've not given up yet. But maybe he needs some help right now.
The help he needs is better dribble and drive players.

Also, you must not have been at the game if you think Gaines was the only one working out there. Pardon in particular was busting his ***.
 

mikewebb68

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What I didn’t see in Collins tonight is a fire. Chalmers was all over the refs and in turn they were getting call after call. Collins almost had a Carmody shrug your shoulders approach after every call. Light a fire and get a T. It would turn the momentum around or at least make the refs think twice about some of those bizarre calls.

The refs were fine,. They were really letting them play on both sides, which should have worked in our favor since we were already one rotation player short (Nance). But then Gaines got those silly four fouls in 1 minute (seriously, who does that?) and that should have been all she wrote for the game. But somehow, we hung around, but our terribad shooting ultimately doomed. You hold a team in the 50s, and you should win. But not with the state of our offense right now.
 

lunker35

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The refs were fine,. They were really letting them play on both sides, which should have worked in our favor since we were already one rotation player short (Nance). But then Gaines got those silly four fouls in 1 minute (seriously, who does that?) and that should have been all she wrote for the game. But somehow, we hung around, but our terribad shooting ultimately doomed. You hold a team in the 50s, and you should win. But not with the state of our offense right now.
Missed a clear kick, called a jump ball when they didn’t even touch the ball and fouled our guy, multiple ticky tack fouls to start the second half. They were not fine. It was bad.
 

mikewebb68

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Missed a clear kick, called a jump ball when they didn’t even touch the ball and fouled our guy, multiple ticky tack fouls to start the second half. They were not fine. It was bad.
But they also did not call several fouls on us. , particulary underneath the basket. It was consistent, imo, unlike the Iowa crapfest.
 

PurpleFaze

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The elephant in the room right now is Law. He doesn't appear to be fully healthy which I assume is part of the problem, but he's trying to do too much, Collins is allowing it, and it's killing our offense. Law was 3-17 shooting tonight? Not to mention all the turnovers he had, Pardon had a tough matchup down low and yet was still 8-14. But down the stretch way too often it was law clanking shots, and making poor decisions.

Law has been a big part of the program, and I'm proud to have watched him play at NU, but he's hurting the team more than helping right now. He's forcing way too many poor shots.

I thought last year Collins was sort of hands off with the seniors and too often we had guys who weren't shooting well continuing to heave up way too many shots. Turning into the same thing with Law this year.
 

Katatonic

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This incessant BC bashing is asinine.

Did BC have his flaws?

Sure, but he also was a very good X's and O's coach (something that can't exactly be said of CC, who, let's say is average - which is fine, esp. if makes up for it in recruiting).

Offensive efficiency

2009 - 54th
2010 - 22nd
2011 - 39th

2018 - 221 (not sure if included the PSU game)

Even the Tourney team w/ BMac at the helm was only ranked 122nd.

There is something clearly wrong w/ the O.

Either CC and staff haven't recruited the right type of players or they simply aren't talented enough to run the scheme against the level of talent in a conf. like the B1G (not a problem for Dook which gets the top athletes and shooters).

Going back to what I stated during CC's 1st season - that recruiting will have to improve a good bit if the 'Cats are going to have any sustained success playing straight-up.

But also seems odd that players can't seem to shoot as well as they did in HS (some drop-off may be expected, but seeing too big of a drop-off) or for college teams in the case of the transfers.

CC is going to need to make some fundamental changes.

What I would like to see him do is incorporate some Princeton O concepts (along w/ using the 1-3-1 zone from time to time) like he did earlier in his tenure (when Hardy was still on the staff).

Don't want it to be a full-on Princeton O (would limit recruiting), but something along the lines of what Beilen runs at UM.

On the plus side, the 'Cats are 44th in Defensive Efficiency.

Just need to get the O to around 100th in efficiency.

Btw, at this juncture, think the calls for a coaching change are way premature.

What coach would the program be able to get that's would be better than CC?

I'm sure there's a hot-shot coach or 2 at some mid-major, but they'll probably angling for a better/easier job.

CC is a lot like Fitz - a great face for the program, good at recruiting (w/ some flaws) and basically a CEO-type HC (neither are great X's and O's coaches).

Both also can be stubborn and make some puzzling moves when it comes to the gameplan/calling plays.

Hopefully, there's an impact frosh or 2 in the incoming class and some of this season's frosh take the next step (however, it is disappointing that not 1 has shown to be an impact frosh for what was a pretty heralded class).

Just going to have to give CC and staff some time to figure things out, but at the same time, they can't continue doing things the same way.

That Tourney bid is getting to be old news (for recruits) and a 3rd season w/o making the Dance (or any post-season) will start to put a real damper on recruiting.
 

nu greek

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The last year and a half have not been good. IMO Pat Baldwin was a key coach on our bench, as was Armon Gates. With them moving on, it seems we have lost an edge, a spark and two really good coaches. Last year I thought there was a disconnect between players and coaches. I always felt Pat Baldwin would one day be our HC and I hope he will be. The problem with Chris Collins is that's it's always about him. After watching another lackluster performance in our nice, new arena, I am convinced he is not the guy.
 

catsattackfor3

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What I didn’t see in Collins tonight is a fire. Chalmers was all over the refs and in turn they were getting call after call. Collins almost had a Carmody shrug your shoulders approach after every call. Light a fire and get a T. It would turn the momentum around or at least make the refs think twice about some of those bizarre calls.

That stuff is over-rated. Collins jumps up and down like a kangaroo at times and it doesn't make us play any better or worse. If the team is winning its passion if we are losing its he is a nut. His mentor sits most of the game unless he m-f's the officials but he sure has players. You cannot play basketball with so much emotion and that goes for the coach too, coach K knows this better than anyone and has repeatedly talks about it obviously CC takes more after his father who was criticized for the same thing.. Collins is sitting on his hands now because its a roller coaster and his team stinks.
 

Sec_112

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... IMO Pat Baldwin was a key coach on our bench, as was Armon Gates. With them moving on, it seems we have lost an edge, a spark and two really good coaches ... I always felt Pat Baldwin would one day be our HC and I hope he will be ...

I wonder if there's some truth to this. I don't disagree with the direction.

But before you go on your Baldwin for Coach campaign, you better do a deep Google about what happened up there after the season.

I dig Baldwin. He should have been in the program long before the Collins staff. He seems like HC material to me. But he needs a little more time to prove last year was not the norm.
 

catsattackfor3

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I wonder if there's some truth to this. I don't disagree with the direction.

But before you go on your Baldwin for Coach campaign, you better do a deep Google about what happened up there after the season.

I dig Baldwin. He should have been in the program long before the Collins staff. He seems like HC material to me. But he needs a little more time to prove last year was not the norm.

The number one reason I would hope CC is gone in 2 years and Baldwin is the coach is he brings his son with him...the number 1 player in the sophomore class! :)
 

hdhntr1

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Hello, Chris Collins, call a time out your team is imploding with fouls.
To be fair, it wasn't the whole team that was imploding. Only Gaines was as he picked up the foul, the double technical and then on the same possession another foul. So in one possession he went from 1 foul and no problems to 4 and that was the game.

Those officials overall were pretty bad.
 

hdhntr1

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Missed a clear kick, called a jump ball when they didn’t even touch the ball and fouled our guy, multiple ticky tack fouls to start the second half. They were not fine. It was bad.
Don't forget the mugging done by #11 and not called (it would have been his 4th) They also missed a huge travel call that eventually led to a score of PSU . They were brutal