The best linebacker in OU history......

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Well, this is very subjective, but I'm going to name one. Rod Shoate.

Maybe some of other have a different opinion, so give it up......

Just trying to get the board talking again..............
 

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Shoate gets my vote.
Too bad freshmen were not eligible to play in 1971. He and the Selmons (Lee Roy and Dewey and older brother Lucious) might have held Nebraska to one less touchdown in 1971.
Also, I wish Carl McAdams had played on some better Sooner teams, namely the 1964-65 teams that compiled a 9-11 record. McAdams. He and Tommy Nobis had quite a dual in the 1964 OU-Texas game, won by Texas 28-7.
 
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Shoate gets my vote.
Too bad freshmen were not eligible to play in 1971. He and the Selmons (Lee Roy and Dewey and older brother Lucious) might have held Nebraska to one less touchdown in 1971.
Also, I wish Carl McAdams had played on some better Sooner teams, namely the 1964-65 teams that compiled a 9-11 record. McAdams. He and Tommy Nobis had quite a dual in the 1964 OU-Texas game, won by Texas 28-7.


We almost lost Shoate to Arkansas as I remember. Spiro, Ok, was his high school and it's on the Okla\Ark boarder. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Rod was the fastest LB in OU history. Again, correct me if need be, but didn't he team with George Cumby, another great, that actually played fullback in the wishbone before moving opposite to Shoate? What a combination..........
 
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The Boz

Tubbs (a center and a linebacker - could have and should have won a Heisman)

George Cumby


Heck I could put a number of names in a hat and pull them out and we could have a great discussion.


Just my opinion
 
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We almost lost Shoate to Arkansas as I remember. Spiro, Ok, was his high school and it's on the Okla\Ark boarder. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Rod was the fastest LB in OU history. Again, correct me if need be, but didn't he team with George Cumby, another great, that actually played fullback in the wishbone before moving opposite to Shoate? What a combination..........

Yeah, Cumby came in as a fullback. But Switzer told him he couldn't beat out a guy by the name of Kenny King as a fullback. So he switched positions.

During a game against Rice Cumby hit the Rice RB in the backfield but didn't make the tackle. Cumby got up and 40 yards down field tackled the Rice RB.


I was at that game.
 

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Well to be fair Md, Calmus won the Butkus award and Lehman was a 2 time All American. I can see them in the conversation, among others.............


True they won the Butkus but that award wasn't started until the mid 1980's. So that isn't a valid argument in my opinion. But I do agree they would be in the discussion of best LB'ers in OU's history.


Doesn't make my opinion right - just what I think.


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Yeah, Cumby came in as a fullback. But Switzer told him he couldn't beat out a guy by the name of Kenny King as a fullback. So he switched positions.

During a game against Rice Cumby hit the Rice RB in the backfield but didn't make the tackle. Cumby got up and 40 yards down field tackled the Rice RB.


I was at that game.
I attended the 1979 Rice game in Houston....it was Earl Cooper, a very good and large running back that Cumby failed to tackle after a short run deep in Rice's territory. Cumby skidded on his belly as Cooper headed downfield, got up and ran the length of the field to catch Cooper around the 10 yard line. Rice did not score on that possession as OU's defense did not want to waste Cumby's incredible effort. OU 63, Rice 21. This was the greatest play by an OU linebacker I ever saw.
 

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Carl McAdams ... for those over 60. White Deer, Texas.

6'-3", 240, first round NFL. That's the size linebacker we're looking for.

Bosworth was the greatest show on earth at OU, and maybe our best linebacker. But OU has had some great ones over the years.
 
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Too many greats so I will offer up three. One each from different eras.

1. Wilkinson's best was Jerry Tubbs. 2. Switzer's was Brian Bosworth. 3. Stoops' was Rocky Calmus. For what's its worth, I liked watching Boz more than any other LB I've ever seen play, but Tubbs played both ways and maybe should have won a Heisman.....just saying.
 

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And 2 lb'ers that fit into the second tier of "BEST" are Jackie Shipp and Thomas Benson.


They were great against the run but couldn't cover anyone in the passing game. I meet them and liked them. I had their autographs on an OU t-shirt. My mom threw it away because I never wore it.

Well duh - there was a reason for not wearing that shirt.
 
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Shoate was a soph my senior year. I like Dante as a linebacker more. Shoate did sort of re-invent the linebacker position. I remember reading about some assistant coach getting ready to play USC and calling Lacewell and asking how they taught Shoate to catch USC's power sweep from behind and Lacewell telling him that Shoate did it on his own.

But my favorite linebackers are guys that fill a hole and knock the running back, backward. Shoate wasn't that guy. But he was really fast. Same with Cumby.

I like Bosworth, but he was close to the same. Dante knocked more guys backward. Bosworth was faster. He did play an unbelievable linebacker position his redshirt freshman season. And he played a greater game against Miami in the 86 loss down there. I'm more partial to guys, especially linebackers who do the job without calling attention to themselves every time they make a big play.

I think that Tubbs and Harrison in the 50s were at least Shoate's equal. Rod had LeRoy and Dewey in front of him his senior year, and LeeRoy, Dewey and Lucious in front of him his junior year, in 73. That may have been best OU's defense ever.

I'd take Dante and the Boz over Rod. And I'd likely take Loftin over Shoate.

Loved Calmus. Really, really liked Lehman. But the best linebacker I've seen in the Stoops era, was a guy who was only elite until his knee injury. Watch a little tape of Lance Mitchell before his knee ligament injury. For six weeks, he may have been OU's best ever. When he came back after, he was pretty good, but not dominant.

And the OU teams he played for weren't great, ,but Carl McAdams was a very good college linebacker.

The two most underrated quality linebackers of the Stoops era played together in 2005: Ingram and Loftin.
 

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Shoate was a soph my senior year. I like Dante as a linebacker more. Shoate did sort of re-invent the linebacker position. I remember reading about some assistant coach getting ready to play USC and calling Lacewell and asking how they taught Shoate to catch USC's power sweep from behind and Lacewell telling him that Shoate did it on his own.

But my favorite linebackers are guys that fill a hole and knock the running back, backward. Shoate wasn't that guy. But he was really fast. Same with Cumby.

I like Bosworth, but he was close to the same. Dante knocked more guys backward. Bosworth was faster. He did play an unbelievable linebacker position his redshirt freshman season. And he played a greater game against Miami in the 86 loss down there. I'm more partial to guys, especially linebackers who do the job without calling attention to themselves every time they make a big play.

I think that Tubbs and Harrison in the 50s were at least Shoate's equal. Rod had LeRoy and Dewey in front of him his senior year, and LeeRoy, Dewey and Lucious in front of him his junior year, in 73. That may have been best OU's defense ever.

I'd take Dante and the Boz over Rod. And I'd likely take Loftin over Shoate.

Loved Calmus. Really, really liked Lehman. But the best linebacker I've seen in the Stoops era, was a guy who was only elite until his knee injury. Watch a little tape of Lance Mitchell before his knee ligament injury. For six weeks, he may have been OU's best ever. When he came back after, he was pretty good, but not dominant.

And the OU teams he played for weren't great, ,but Carl McAdams was a very good college linebacker.

The two most underrated quality linebackers of the Stoops era played together in 2005: Ingram and Loftin.
Dante Jones was one of OU's most underrated players/linebackers ever as he played in Bosworth's shadow and from what I have read on this board, Torrance Marshall, a transfer who played only two seasons (1999-2000) and anchored the 2000 national champion team's defense, is not mentioned much.
One other linebacker, Travian Smith (1994-1997), was one of OU's most athletic linebackers ever at 6'4" 220-225 lbs. He did not decide to come to OU until the early summer of 1994, but was a great addition.

As I mentioned a few days ago, throughout the dismal decade of the 90's I thought the talent level on the rosters from 1994-1998 were better than the awful 23-33-1 record showed those five seasons....not a lot better, but good enough to win more than they lost, even in the shadows of some great Nebraska and Colorado teams. John Blake was the main culprit as far as I'm concerned as Gibbs left with a winning record despite of having to recruit through three probationary years and Schnellenberger went 5-5-1 in his one season.
 
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Boz owns the highlight reel. Without a doubt.
Rocky was probably second, but Lehman was close behind. Rocky might have benefited by having Torrance next to him.
Lance was too short IMO. Listed 6'2" but probably only 6'1".

Rocky and Teddy were 6'4" and all of it.
I'm a full 6'2", and I was riding my bike on campus once during class time so the sidewalks were free and clear. Then coming at me were two giants, Rocky and Teddy. They were messing with each other, shouldering and pushing each other. Then they paused and waited until I was just about to pass them when Rocky gave Teddy a really hard shove right at me. I saw the calm before the storm and anticipated it, so I was able to just avoid it, but I saw my life flash before my eyes. Point being, I was barely taller than the two of them while standing on my bike pedals.
 
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Dante Jones was one of OU's most underrated players/linebackers ever as he played in Bosworth's shadow and from what I have read on this board, Torrance Marshall, a transfer who played only two seasons (1999-2000) and anchored the 2000 national champion team's defense, is not mentioned much.
One other linebacker, Travian Smith (1994-1997), was one of OU's most athletic linebackers ever at 6'4" 220-225 lbs. He did not decide to come to OU until the early summer of 1994, but was a great addition.

As I mentioned a few days ago, throughout the dismal decade of the 90's I thought the talent level on the rosters from 1994-1998 were better than the awful 23-33-1 record showed those five seasons....not a lot better, but good enough to win more than they lost, even in the shadows of some great Nebraska and Colorado teams. John Blake was the main culprit as far as I'm concerned as Gibbs left with a winning record despite of having to recruit through three probationary years and Schnellenberger went 5-5-1 in his one season.

I forgot about Travian. One of the few names you'd hear during the Blake era besides Kelly Gregg.
 

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I forgot about Travian. One of the few names you'd hear during the Blake era besides Kelly Gregg.
Gregg was a very good defensive lineman.
I would be very interested to see how well Stoops might have done from 1996-1998 with Blake's talent during those three seasons. We will never know, but I'll bet a lot that the 12-22 record during that time would have been much better.
 

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Gregg was a very good defensive lineman.
I would be very interested to see how well Stoops might have done from 1996-1998 with Blake's talent during those three seasons. We will never know, but I'll bet a lot that the 12-22 record during that time would have been much better.

I bet the players alone could have done better than 12-22 while coaching themselves. Blake was not just worthless. He was detrimental.
 

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[QUOTE="Plainosooner, post: 1063602

I'm more partial to guys, especially linebackers who do the job without calling attention to themselves every time they make a big play.
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I'm so much in agreement with you on this point, Plaino. I didn't care for Boz's post play celebrations either. Yes, it was the "thing" during his time as it is today....only worse. BUT I have to admit, I acted like a school boy a number of times when Boz did his thing on a QB. I always thought Little Joe and Barry Sanders got it right.
 
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I don't know much about the guys pre 70s, but after that it would be Bosworth...and it's not even close.

Never seen a defensive guy that could dictate a games story line like he did. I mean, he did it all.
Butkus only did blitzes with more intensity.

His career didn't end pretty at OU but his entire body of work was one for the ages. Wow!
 
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I only wish Bosworth had realized how foolish he was and how much he disappointed Switzer. Too bad it took a shoulder injury that shortened his pro career and a hot dog attitude that shortened his college career to make him see the light and become an adult.
 
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In my lifetime I'd add a few names including Tom Catlin and Steve Aycock. Carl McAdams was my all time favorite. He stood Ted Koy up, one on one on the goal line in the Cotton Bowl with Koy under a full head of steam. Tubbs and Harrison were great. One thing you have to consider is who they played behind. It's a lot easier making plays behind the Selmons than it is behind Dick Paaso & John Titsworth.
 

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So many to choose from. Nobody mentioned the Burris brothers.

If I had to start from scratch, my first pick would be Shoate. He covered so much ground. He didn't knock a lot t of people backwards. Most fell sideways trying in vain to run away from him. He freed up defensive ends and tackles to go all out. He covered the rest.

I'm torn between Tubbs, McAdams, Cumby, and Dante Jones for the next. I think I would rather have any of these than Bosworth, and I told that to Switzer. He said I had no idea what i was talking about. But, I remember so may key plays that Jones made, without dancing. McAdams was a bigger version of Shoate, but with not quite the mobility.

I also thought a lof of Daryl Hunt, Bob Harrison, Lehman, Calmus, and Marshall.
 

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So many to choose from. Nobody mentioned the Burris brothers.

If I had to start from scratch, my first pick would be Shoate. He covered so much ground. He didn't knock a lot t of people backwards. Most fell sideways trying in vain to run away from him. He freed up defensive ends and tackles to go all out. He covered the rest.

I'm torn between Tubbs, McAdams, Cumby, and Dante Jones for the next. I think I would rather have any of these than Bosworth, and I told that to Switzer. He said I had no idea what i was talking about. But, I remember so may key plays that Jones made, without dancing. McAdams was a bigger version of Shoate, but with not quite the mobility.

I also thought a lof of Daryl Hunt, Bob Harrison, Lehman, Calmus, and Marshall.

Nary a positive mention of the Boz.
That's OK, taste is a personal thing. I get that.:eek:
 

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Nary a positive mention of the Boz.
That's OK, taste is a personal thing. I get that.:eek:
I just thought that the Boz was not as good as Shoate, Cumby, Tubbs, McAdams, or Dante Jones. I thought they were more effective. He was good, just not among my top five.
 

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I don't know how you pick one. I loved watching Bosworth, but let's admit that he was able to play with his ears pinned back in large part because of how good the rest of the defense was. Be that as it may, I've yet to see a college linebacker come close to timing a blitz like he could. And antics aside, he was a tremendous competitor and brought fire and enthusiasm to the defense.

I also thought Curtis Loftin was awfully good. Really good. If pressed to pick two starters, I'd go with Rod Shoate, Dante Jones, George Cumby, Loftin, and Boz............ yeah, I know.... math
 
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There were many players prior to 1965 who were good linebackers....when they weren't playing on offense, usually as a center or fullback:
Gautt, Lohmann, McDaniel, Garrett, Jim Grisham and others were very good on both sides of the ball.
 

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I think the Boz would be the my choice as well. I'm not old enough to remember Shoate and his numbers were crazy good, but I would still say Boz is the man.