The Kentucky Trolley Problem: Why This Roster (Even When Healthy) Doesn't Work

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This is a pretty good, but depressing, write up for why this roster is serious flawed. TBH I find it's a bit poorly-written in parts, but the overall analysis and main takeaways are pretty much spot-on IMO.

The Kentucky Trolley Problem

Some excepts:

The more objective numbers back me up, or so I think. Last year, against Power Five competition, Kentucky's offense averaged (!) 38% from 3, 53% from 2, and 22.6 free throw attempts a night - all in the 86th-percentile or higher nationally. Through three games this year, these numbers sit at 25% from 3, 53% from 2, and 20 FTAs a night. Two of those are noticeable downgrades from a season ago despite playing more transition-heavy on average.

...

Kentucky worked last year because you could pair Carr or Almonor with Amari Williams, an unusual back-to-the-basket big who could serve as a fulcrum point for UK's offense without having to shoot. He wasn't much for quality rim protection, but at no point did he constrict UK's spacing simply by being on the court. For this to work, [Kam] Williams either has to find something he hasn't found in protecting the boards or Dioubate has to be so overwhelmingly physical that UK plays a version of bully-ball Mark Pope has never coached before.

When Dioubate and any center have shared the floor together against UK's three quality opponents, the offerings have been unkind. UK has been outscored by 22 points in 73 possessions despite outshooting opponents 61%-49% from two. These lineups take 61% (!) of their shots as jumpers despite UK shooting 31% from 3 and 33% from the midrange. Why? Well, you tell me where the driving lanes would be here.

...

Last year, our friend Isaac Trotter found a common theme amongst disappointing offenses: their point guard and center were either outright non-shooters or poor shooters. While Kentucky likely will not meet the metrics of Isaac's list by pure volume - Lowe did make 41 threes last year - the team stats for high-usage point guards who shoot 30% or worse from three aren't terribly encouraging. Lowe is certainly a better passer and playmaker for others than Butler, but Butler's archetype fit the Kentucky/Pope system much more fluidly.


...

Obviously, we haven't seen an optimal lineup yet this year, but UK's three best shooters on the roster are Collin Chandler, Kam Williams, and Trent Noah. Noah barely plays, so for a higher sample size, you can sub in Denzel Aberdeen. The Butler, Robinson, Almonor, and Brea quartet had a combined career 3PT% of 37.7%, but more importantly, they averaged 16.7 three-point attempts as a collective per game.

Chandler, Williams, Noah, and Aberdeen do combine to hit just over 36% of their threes. The problem: it's at a career rate of 9.8 three-point attempts per game. If you prefer per-100 rates, last year's four-pack of shooters averaged 10.5 3PAs per 100 in their individual career's. This year's four-pack: 8.4. The problem is that they only play together 25% of the time, and when Aberdeen - the lone shot creator out of this group - is off the court, it simply doesn't look good.

Scary to say this, but this may be as good as it's going to get. There's no magic bullet on the Kentucky roster to save a lack of perimeter gravity and a downward trend in shooting, unless Jelavic turns into a mix of Carr and Almonor on his own. Even with leaving room for that, it won't fix that Lowe is not only a poor shooter, he's Kentucky's worst perimeter defender on the roster.
 

dynastydreamuk

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The roster construction problems begin with nobody resembling a true point guard. Point is the most important position in CBB and we ain’t got one.

This could be a looong season if we don’t get a healthy Lowe back.
If Lowe comes back, he basically has the same issue butler had last year. Butler comes off as a much tougher player than Lowe and even butler had to keep missing games on and off because the shoulder is easily re-injured taking screens/picks etc.

I have little optimism Lowe plays much even when he's back.

That said, we should have gotten a reliable backup PG instead of thinking Aberdeen who is a 2 could slide over and do fine, which he does not do well to me it seems, neither does chandler running PG.
 

RunninRichie

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This is a pretty good, but depressing, write up for why this roster is serious flawed. TBH I find it's a bit poorly-written in parts, but the overall analysis and main takeaways are pretty much spot-on IMO.

The Kentucky Trolley Problem

Some excepts:

The more objective numbers back me up, or so I think. Last year, against Power Five competition, Kentucky's offense averaged (!) 38% from 3, 53% from 2, and 22.6 free throw attempts a night - all in the 86th-percentile or higher nationally. Through three games this year, these numbers sit at 25% from 3, 53% from 2, and 20 FTAs a night. Two of those are noticeable downgrades from a season ago despite playing more transition-heavy on average.

...

Kentucky worked last year because you could pair Carr or Almonor with Amari Williams, an unusual back-to-the-basket big who could serve as a fulcrum point for UK's offense without having to shoot. He wasn't much for quality rim protection, but at no point did he constrict UK's spacing simply by being on the court. For this to work, [Kam] Williams either has to find something he hasn't found in protecting the boards or Dioubate has to be so overwhelmingly physical that UK plays a version of bully-ball Mark Pope has never coached before.

When Dioubate and any center have shared the floor together against UK's three quality opponents, the offerings have been unkind. UK has been outscored by 22 points in 73 possessions despite outshooting opponents 61%-49% from two. These lineups take 61% (!) of their shots as jumpers despite UK shooting 31% from 3 and 33% from the midrange. Why? Well, you tell me where the driving lanes would be here.

...

Last year, our friend Isaac Trotter found a common theme amongst disappointing offenses: their point guard and center were either outright non-shooters or poor shooters. While Kentucky likely will not meet the metrics of Isaac's list by pure volume - Lowe did make 41 threes last year - the team stats for high-usage point guards who shoot 30% or worse from three aren't terribly encouraging. Lowe is certainly a better passer and playmaker for others than Butler, but Butler's archetype fit the Kentucky/Pope system much more fluidly.


...

Obviously, we haven't seen an optimal lineup yet this year, but UK's three best shooters on the roster are Collin Chandler, Kam Williams, and Trent Noah. Noah barely plays, so for a higher sample size, you can sub in Denzel Aberdeen. The Butler, Robinson, Almonor, and Brea quartet had a combined career 3PT% of 37.7%, but more importantly, they averaged 16.7 three-point attempts as a collective per game.

Chandler, Williams, Noah, and Aberdeen do combine to hit just over 36% of their threes. The problem: it's at a career rate of 9.8 three-point attempts per game. If you prefer per-100 rates, last year's four-pack of shooters averaged 10.5 3PAs per 100 in their individual career's. This year's four-pack: 8.4. The problem is that they only play together 25% of the time, and when Aberdeen - the lone shot creator out of this group - is off the court, it simply doesn't look good.

Scary to say this, but this may be as good as it's going to get. There's no magic bullet on the Kentucky roster to save a lack of perimeter gravity and a downward trend in shooting, unless Jelavic turns into a mix of Carr and Almonor on his own. Even with leaving room for that, it won't fix that Lowe is not only a poor shooter, he's Kentucky's worst perimeter defender on the roster.
Piss poor roster construction. And the result of taking plan C or D at basketball's QB position. Among others. It all goes back to recruiting/scouting.
 

Cats192

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The roster construction problems begin with nobody resembling a true point guard. Point is the most important position in CBB and we ain’t got one.

This could be a looong season if we don’t get a healthy Lowe back.

I WISH we had a great backup PG. I'm not mad at Pope for not having it.

At a point in time, we had Lowe AND Acaden Lewis. We got Aberdeen and Lewis (a Kentucky kid even) went looking for greener pastures and less competition.

There isn't a good, quality, playable PG that was going to sign up to come to UK to backup Lowe and potentially compete with Aberdeen for the backup PG minutes.

Travis Perry could have been that guy. In-state kid. He transferred. He knew he was going to have a tough road to play here. And he wanted less competition.

We couldn't keep the really talented KY kid for the position. We couldn't keep the less talented KY kid for the position.

So you're stuck in this grey area of "I need someone better than Perry but not as good as Lewis. But they also have to be good enough to run the point guard spot over Aberdeen." And then they have to be willing to accept their role and compete for those minutes.

And it's easy to think "just pay them enough NIL". But people are already irate of 22 million. It's not realistic to pay millions for a 2nd/potentially 3rd string PG.
 

RunninRichie

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I WISH we had a great backup PG. I'm not mad at Pope for not having it.

At a point in time, we had Lowe AND Acaden Lewis. We got Aberdeen and Lewis (a Kentucky kid even) went looking for greener pastures and less competition.

There isn't a good, quality, playable PG that was going to sign up to come to UK to backup Lowe and potentially compete with Aberdeen for the backup PG minutes.

Travis Perry could have been that guy. In-state kid. He transferred. He knew he was going to have a tough road to play here. And he wanted less competition.

We couldn't keep the really talented KY kid for the position. We couldn't keep the less talented KY kid for the position.

So you're stuck in this grey area of "I need someone better than Perry but not as good as Lewis. But they also have to be good enough to run the point guard spot over Aberdeen." And then they have to be willing to accept their role and compete for those minutes.

And it's easy to think "just pay them enough NIL". But people are already irate of 22 million. It's not realistic to pay millions for a 2nd/potentially 3rd string PG.
Pope banked that Jasper or Denzel was a combo guard. And could slide over and play the 1 no problem. Dangerous gamble.
 

Cats192

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Pope banked that Jasper or Denzel was a combo guard. And could slide over and play the 1 no problem. Dangerous gamble.
I appreciate your point.

Do you follow me that there isn't a realistic quality option that wanted to come here with Lowe and the perception that Jasper/Aberdeen were going to get some run at PG?

Again, couldn't keep someone as bad as Perry(who played that role last year). Couldn't keep someone as good as Lewis. I just can't in my mind picture the player that's coming here if you couldn't keep Perry.

It's like--Pope was going to have to NOT take Jasper or Aberdeen. And now that we've seen Jasper struggle, maybe people support that. But I'm pretty sure if Jasper didn't land the highly ranked in-state kids, he'd be crucified for that.
 

RunninRichie

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I appreciate your point.

Do you follow me that there isn't a realistic quality option that wanted to come here with Lowe and the perception that Jasper/Aberdeen were going to get some run at PG?

Again, couldn't keep someone as bad as Perry(who played that role last year). Couldn't keep someone as good as Lewis. I just can't in my mind picture the player that's coming here if you couldn't keep Perry.

It's like--Pope was going to have to NOT take Jasper or Aberdeen. And now that we've seen Jasper struggle, maybe people support that. But I'm pretty sure if Jasper didn't land the highly ranked in-state kids, he'd be crucified for that.
I'm agreeing with you. I'm just saying that's what, IMO, Pope believed. Last season he had to get a backup PG. This year, he thought his "combos" could run the 1.
 
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It's more than that. Even though most points are accurate. We are also poorly prepared and we play lazy.

Of course the offense is flawed with the parts but Pope is not adjusting to the players he does have.

There is no defensive identity at all. Looks like we play man with zone principles. If there is such a thing?

We either have no one teaching rebounding or the players can't learn. For the second season.

Having Lowe out there has to be a help. Getting JQ out there would be great for this team. But will either change the identity that's been established?
 

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I WISH we had a great backup PG. I'm not mad at Pope for not having it.

At a point in time, we had Lowe AND Acaden Lewis. We got Aberdeen and Lewis (a Kentucky kid even) went looking for greener pastures and less competition.

There isn't a good, quality, playable PG that was going to sign up to come to UK to backup Lowe and potentially compete with Aberdeen for the backup PG minutes.

Travis Perry could have been that guy. In-state kid. He transferred. He knew he was going to have a tough road to play here. And he wanted less competition.

We couldn't keep the really talented KY kid for the position. We couldn't keep the less talented KY kid for the position.

So you're stuck in this grey area of "I need someone better than Perry but not as good as Lewis. But they also have to be good enough to run the point guard spot over Aberdeen." And then they have to be willing to accept their role and compete for those minutes.

And it's easy to think "just pay them enough NIL". But people are already irate of 22 million. It's not realistic to pay millions for a 2nd/potentially 3rd string PG.
I wish we had a great pg period! Lowe is not a great pg. Hes not what we need. We need a guy who can get to the basket and shoot the 3. Someone who can run the show and defend like heck.
 

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Pope banked that Jasper or Denzel was a combo guard. And could slide over and play the 1 no problem. Dangerous gamble.
Yep, but the problem with that plan is that there was no evidence that either guy actually was a combo capable of doing that.

Aberdeen never played point at Florida, his minutes were all at the wing spots there. And Jasper had also never played point at this level.

Seems like a big risk to assume those guys could play a position here that they’d never played before.
 

Crestcat

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If Lowe comes back, he basically has the same issue butler had last year. Butler comes off as a much tougher player than Lowe and even butler had to keep missing games on and off because the shoulder is easily re-injured taking screens/picks etc.

I have little optimism Lowe plays much even when he's back.

That said, we should have gotten a reliable backup PG instead of thinking Aberdeen who is a 2 could slide over and do fine, which he does not do well to me it seems, neither does chandler running PG.
Didn't we lose Lewis when we got Lowe? Hard to get two good point guards, the want the playing time.
 
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I mean last year our PG and Center were pretty much a poor shooter and a non shooter, so that doesn't quite hold up.

That being said, I think guys are definitely being a bit misused and we need to get Lowe and JQ healthy to help us get this thing moving.
 

ala_kat2

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We need a Mikel Brown, Jr. type point guard who can create his own shot anytime he needs to ( and make it). Wonder how much UL paid him.
 
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IL_Wildcat

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Yeah, for Pope's offense to work, he needs a dynamic point guard, first of all, who can penetrate and dish and also finish well in the lane. He needs a stretch 4 who is a true threat from 3 and helps spread the defense out and gets open shots for others. He also needs a center who, like Williams last season, can catch the ball high and find cutters and open shooters. He also needs at least 2 elite 3pt shooters who can average around 40% from 3. He has ONE (1) of those in Collin Chandler. The other shooters are streaky and mentally weak, or can't get open. It is a terribly constructed team for Pope's offense.

The team could potentially be decent IF they play a totally different offense, inside-out (unlike his preferred 5 out offense) and IF Quaintance is the stud some say he is (and IF he ever gets healthy) and can become the #1 scoring option. The only other problem we have then is our lack of dribble penetration and shooters outside Chandler. Quaintance would need to be able to initiate and distribute from his power forward spot, because he would surely be double-teamed every time he touches the ball.

Let's face it- the rest of this team is pedestrian at everything. There's not a dominant player on the roster, unless it's Quaintance. Otherwise, they need to work as a well-oiled machine, as a single unit, and making shots consistently against top defenses, which is NOT happening so far.

This roster needs about 2 elite players, NBA athletes who can shoot, handle, pass. Take any 2 off the current roster and add 2 NBA types and the team would be totally different. But Pope didn't recruit any. He recruited 12 guys who were solid role players and guys who were 4th, 5th options on the floor and 6th man types off the bench. We have 12 like that.
 

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Good find. I think it was actually pretty well written, just not edited.

Here’s a scary tidbit he also asserted:

Talent has the highest correlation to wins of any metric out there.”

He didn’t cite a source. But it’s not a research paper and he does seem like a fairly careful and thorough guy.

Regardless, I like our staff and Cal has proven that talent is also certainly capable of not correlating with wins. Still I think breaking this legit-dawg drought is about our single biggest need right now.
 

sefus12

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People are making this way too complicated.

no shooters + no superstars = bad team
Yea, still curious how some of these guys are shooting much worse this year than last year (Williams) while folks like JJ are struggling mightily.

And the lack of a “go get me a bucket“ guy Is really hurting this team. I guess Pope thought Oweh would be that guy, but he’s just not that great if he isn’t surrounded by shooters, and certainly not the superstar we need.
 
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The problem is that they only play together 25% of the time, and when Aberdeen - the lone shot creator out of this group - is off the court, it simply doesn't look good.


Here is the problem - this chaotic short lived lines up are killing chemistry and momentum. Pope needs contributors that are getting 15-20 minutes together in a game
 

Anon1764301234

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The roster construction problems begin with nobody resembling a true point guard. Point is the most important position in CBB and we ain’t got one.

This could be a looong season if we don’t get a healthy Lowe back.

I agree on the significance of the point position but Duke doesn’t have much of a point guard either and they’re 9-0 with w’s over Texas, Arkansas, Florida, Kansas and they won at Tennessee in an exhibition.

Before you trot out high school rankings, pull up Caleb Foster and Cayden Boozer’s 2025/26 stats. Not very impressive. Their big man, Cam Boozer leads them in assists.
 

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This assumes the goal was to have a team that was in 85%+ percentile of offense.....there a lot of ways to win consistently in college basketball. Where would Houston, Tennessee, MSU rank? MSU cant shoot threes and plays at one of the slowest paces in the country. Houston struggles to score at times. But you can win and win big by being great defensively and on the glass if that is your identity.

I believe Pope felt he need to fold some of this into this years team after playing teams like Alabama last year. He probably thought if he was a lot better defensively and on the boards it would make up for some slipage in three point shooting. But that hasnt worked out as we are still bad on the glass and defensively. Combined that guys like Noah, Williams, Jasper, and Jelavic aren't as good as expected.
 
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KyLegacyBBN

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Good article.

I had some doubts about this roster pre season on where the shooting was going to come from. Especially comparing this roster to last year’s. I don’t see it changing much either when they are full health , maybe we get way better definitely and rebounding with JQ gets back but it’s still not Pope basketball.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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This is a pretty good, but depressing, write up for why this roster is serious flawed. TBH I find it's a bit poorly-written in parts, but the overall analysis and main takeaways are pretty much spot-on IMO.

The Kentucky Trolley Problem

Some excepts:

The more objective numbers back me up, or so I think. Last year, against Power Five competition, Kentucky's offense averaged (!) 38% from 3, 53% from 2, and 22.6 free throw attempts a night - all in the 86th-percentile or higher nationally. Through three games this year, these numbers sit at 25% from 3, 53% from 2, and 20 FTAs a night. Two of those are noticeable downgrades from a season ago despite playing more transition-heavy on average.

...

Kentucky worked last year because you could pair Carr or Almonor with Amari Williams, an unusual back-to-the-basket big who could serve as a fulcrum point for UK's offense without having to shoot. He wasn't much for quality rim protection, but at no point did he constrict UK's spacing simply by being on the court. For this to work, [Kam] Williams either has to find something he hasn't found in protecting the boards or Dioubate has to be so overwhelmingly physical that UK plays a version of bully-ball Mark Pope has never coached before.

When Dioubate and any center have shared the floor together against UK's three quality opponents, the offerings have been unkind. UK has been outscored by 22 points in 73 possessions despite outshooting opponents 61%-49% from two. These lineups take 61% (!) of their shots as jumpers despite UK shooting 31% from 3 and 33% from the midrange. Why? Well, you tell me where the driving lanes would be here.

...

Last year, our friend Isaac Trotter found a common theme amongst disappointing offenses: their point guard and center were either outright non-shooters or poor shooters. While Kentucky likely will not meet the metrics of Isaac's list by pure volume - Lowe did make 41 threes last year - the team stats for high-usage point guards who shoot 30% or worse from three aren't terribly encouraging. Lowe is certainly a better passer and playmaker for others than Butler, but Butler's archetype fit the Kentucky/Pope system much more fluidly.


...

Obviously, we haven't seen an optimal lineup yet this year, but UK's three best shooters on the roster are Collin Chandler, Kam Williams, and Trent Noah. Noah barely plays, so for a higher sample size, you can sub in Denzel Aberdeen. The Butler, Robinson, Almonor, and Brea quartet had a combined career 3PT% of 37.7%, but more importantly, they averaged 16.7 three-point attempts as a collective per game.

Chandler, Williams, Noah, and Aberdeen do combine to hit just over 36% of their threes. The problem: it's at a career rate of 9.8 three-point attempts per game. If you prefer per-100 rates, last year's four-pack of shooters averaged 10.5 3PAs per 100 in their individual career's. This year's four-pack: 8.4. The problem is that they only play together 25% of the time, and when Aberdeen - the lone shot creator out of this group - is off the court, it simply doesn't look good.

Scary to say this, but this may be as good as it's going to get. There's no magic bullet on the Kentucky roster to save a lack of perimeter gravity and a downward trend in shooting, unless Jelavic turns into a mix of Carr and Almonor on his own. Even with leaving room for that, it won't fix that Lowe is not only a poor shooter, he's Kentucky's worst perimeter defender on the roster.
Butler was ten times the PG Lowe is from what I’ve seen. Hurt amplified it even more. Actually thought Lowe looked solid in early exhibition games but he hasn’t preformed at all. He obviously has talent being All ACC but maybe this team isn’t a fit for him IDK.
 
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If and when we get a full healthy roster playing, then you may be able to confirm any of this drivel.
 
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