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Mac9192

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Uhmmm I know 100% human trafficking happens in the US...trainings and all....especially on major highways especially I95....i know about all, signs and tells and all that....my position was that yall was trying to make it seem like the US government was allowing this to happen to migrants
Like how you waited a day, regrouped, then come back and say “we” were saying our government was allowing this to happen. This isn’t just twisting it, this is a gutless response.

You are just a nicer version of the two sickos that are on your side. If you had any balls, you’d condone what they’ve been saying.
 

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Like how you waited a day, regrouped, then come back and say “we” were saying our government was allowing this to happen. This isn’t just twisting it, this is a gutless response.

You are just a nicer version of the two sickos that are on your side. If you had any balls, you’d condone what they’ve been saying.
I actually contended that in my last post so he’s not entirely wrong. Every admin is responsible for UACs once they’re handed over from DHS to DHHS until they can be placed with a vetted sponsor due to the Border Security Act of 2002 and Fed Child Trafficking Act of 2008. From 2021-2024 the system was overwhelmed due to record border crossings. Our country simply didn’t have enough judges and courts to keep up with the millions of people crossing our border illegally. Did the Biden admin know that children were being trafficked? How could they not? Migrant children had been trafficked for decades. The more there are, the more that will be trafficked. Some traffickers were prosecuted during the Biden era. They didn’t completely turn a blind eye, but the crisis was too damaging to foreground it politically.

At this point, I’m not even sure what the other three’s argument is. Datt and duck have mostly limited themselves to demonizing a movie they’ve never seen and Boogie stops in to remind us that he seems genuinely befuddled by the topic.
 
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Ghost of Dattier

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Security, order, and humane. Keep saying your side is the humane side, yeah right. The side that favors abortion and some even up to birth.
Holy predictable hanging curveball, Batman! :rolleyes:

Apologies for the mixed sports references, but that's not the slam dunk you think it is. It leads to digressive conversations into what constitutes human life, women's bodily autonomy, fetal viability, the death penalty, supporting children after birth, being pro-birth rather than pro-life, and on and on. Those are the same boring, stalemated debates we've been having for more than 50 years. Not interested.

President Obama's immigration enforcement was far, far, far more humane than President Trump's. Over Obama's entire 8 years, between 50-60 people died in ICE custody. Many have been alleged to be due to negligence, but none has been alleged to be from homicide. There have been 52 people die in ICE custody in just the first 500 days of President Trump's 2nd term, many of which have been alleged murder. I don't even know if that figure includes citizens killed on the streets of our nation under very suspect circumstances. These kinds of details give the lie to your attempts to equivocate.
 
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comedy central sc GIF


FOUR! Ah-hah-hah-hah! FOUR claims we're "sickos," @DuckDevil & @BOOGIEMAN1914 , ah-hah-hah-hah!
 
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Mac9192

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At this point, I’m not even sure what the other three’s argument is. Datt and duck have mostly limited themselves to demonizing a movie they’ve never seen and Boogie stops in to remind us that he seems genuinely befuddled by the topic.
The issue of trafficking shouldn’t be political. Yet Duck and Datt found what they think is a loophole. I guess if Tom Hanks had played Tim Ballard they wouldn’t complain. They are totally (and intentionally) missing the point. Both are too hung up on party politics. They may be educated, but they’re both stupid

Boogie as mastered the art of playing dumb.
 
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KDSTONE

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The issue of trafficking shouldn’t be political. Yet Duck and Datt found what they think is a loophole. I guess if Tom Hanks had played Tim Ballard they wouldn’t complain. They are totally (and intentionally) missing the point. Both are too hung up on party politics. They may be educated, but they’re both stupid

Boogie as mastered the art of playing dumb.
He knows what he’s doing. Kind of. He dug himself a deep hole at the outset and instead of looking for a ladder he grabbed a shovel and took the gaslighting route.

Evidence? What evidence? As link after link was presented.

As we said earlier, there are issues to debate here. I just didn’t think the existence of migrant trafficking itself would be one of them.
 
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BOOGIEMAN1914

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Like how you waited a day, regrouped, then come back and say “we” were saying our government was allowing this to happen. This isn’t just twisting it, this is a gutless response.

You are just a nicer version of the two sickos that are on your side. If you had any balls, you’d condone what they’ve been saying.

Nah, it's called living life and not being bound to this message board...and in all honesty until I read what I read last night and got the understanding that it was assumed that I was oblivious to human trafficking I felt the need to say more...and I did, i reiterated it 2x, yall can now assume whatever you like...
 

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He knows what he’s doing. Kind of. He dug himself a deep hole at the outset and instead of looking for a ladder he grabbed a shovel and took the gaslighting route.

Evidence? What evidence? As link after link was presented.

As we said earlier, there are issues to debate here. I just didn’t think the existence of migrant trafficking itself would be one of them.

And I never said migrant trafficking wasnt a thing...i just challenged the accusation that it was directly being fomented by the government...so now Trump has gutted safeguards to help with the mistakes that were....again my only contention was that it can't automatically be assumed trafficking is involved just because a child is unaccounted for....many migrants that travel all over the country from farms to farms seasonal def seem like a number that can easily become unaccounted for and be perfectly alright or unfortunately worse...right???
 
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KDSTONE

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And I never said migrant trafficking wasnt a thing...i just challenged the accusation that it was directly being fomented by the government...and i think I asked twice, what is the government doing now doing about it...are mistakes being attempted to be made right?
Already asked and answered.

You didn’t use the word ‘fomented’ but ‘allowed’. Two entirely different words with entirely different meanings.
 

Mac9192

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Nah, it's called living life and not being bound to this message board...and in all honesty until I read what I read last night and got the understanding that it was assumed that I was oblivious to human trafficking I felt the need to say more...and I did, i reiterated it 2x, yall can now assume whatever you like...
You’re good at word salad. You may have not been as defiant on trafficking as the other two stooges, but you sure haven’t said “Yes, you guys are right, human trafficking is a serious, and horrific crime against children.” Instead, you asked for receipts, evidence, or whatever, then come back after regrouping, bring up some more garbage saying we were accusing this of being ‘formented’ by the government.

If this was poker, you should have folded.
 
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And I never said migrant trafficking wasnt a thing...i just challenged the accusation that it was directly being fomented by the government...so now Trump has gutted safeguards to help with the mistakes that were....again my only contention was that it can't automatically be assumed trafficking is involved just because a child is unaccounted for....many migrants that travel all over the country from farms to farms seasonal def seem like a number that can easily become unaccounted for and be perfectly alright or unfortunately worse...right???
No one ever claimed that every UAC was being trafficked or abused. Adult farm workers aren’t UACs so they haven’t been the primary focus of this conversation. If they’re UACs working on farms, they’re likely being trafficked and exploited to some degree.

“So now Trump has gutted safeguards”…
That’s a misrepresentation of what I posted about his cutting funding for DOL initiatives to combat global trafficking.
 
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BOOGIEMAN1914

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You’re good at word salad. You may have not been as defiant on trafficking as the other two stooges, but you sure haven’t said “Yes, you guys are right, human trafficking is a serious, and horrific crime against children.” Instead, you asked for receipts, evidence, or whatever, then come back after regrouping, bring up some more garbage saying we were accusing this of being ‘formented’ by the government.

If this was poker, you should have folded.

I dont have to tell you that, I already know and acknowledge that, I wasnt refuting that....i was only questioning the govt angle that I perceived yall were making
 

BOOGIEMAN1914

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No one ever claimed that every UAC was being trafficked or abused. Adult farm workers aren’t UACs so they haven’t been the primary focus of this conversation. If they’re UACs working on farms, they’re likely being trafficked and exploited to some degree.

“So now Trump has gutted safeguards”…
That’s a misrepresentation of what I posted about his cutting funding for DOL initiatives to combat global trafficking.

No I was repeating, I just used safeguards instead of DOL initiatives, chose not to go back for the exact wording...thats on me...
 

BOOGIEMAN1914

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Already asked and answered.

You didn’t use the word ‘fomented’ but ‘allowed’. Two entirely different words with entirely different meanings.

I used fomented as caused which is comparable to allowed as I chose to use a different thats all.... but yall can have yall assumptions, I know what I was meaning/intent
 

Mac9192

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I dont have to tell you that, I already know and acknowledge that, I wasnt refuting that....i was only questioning the govt angle that I perceived yall were making
I know you won’t, but you guys should be embarrassed that you twisted something that’s real and terrible. All of us should be on the same side here.

Just because politicians and the media have made this political, doesn’t mean we have to. This topic has shown who on here are decent people, and who’s not.
 
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BOOGIEMAN1914

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I know you won’t, but you guys should be embarrassed that you twisted something that’s real and terrible. All of us should be on the same side here.

Just because politicians and the media have made this political, doesn’t mean we have to. This topic has shown who on here are decent people, and who’s not.

We are 100% on the agreeance that its real and terrible...never said it wasnt, imma bow out now on this, because like I said, I know...definitely not trying to prove to you....at the moment I care more that KDStone didnt get my intentions, but I digress...
 

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I used fomented as caused which is comparable to allowed as I chose to use a different thats all.... but yall can have yall assumptions, I know what I was meaning/intent
Fair enough. To me, foment implies intent. I don’t think Biden intended for children to be trafficked, but I think the rise in trafficking is a foreseeable consequence of his negligence at the border. Just as the rise of ICE detainee deaths the past 18 months is a direct, foreseeable result of Trump cutting medical funding to detention facilities at the same time the number of detainees surged.

Edit: I misspoke. This article describes the funding situation more clearly. I’m not normally in the habit of using Mother Jones as a source, but it’s consistent with what an investigation led by Sen Ossoff revealed. Bottom line is some of the detainees aren’t receiving needed medical care, and this has led to at least some of the 52 deaths in ICE custody the past 18 months. The payment freeze to specialists and outside providers began in October and is ongoing.

 
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BOOGIEMAN1914

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Fair enough. To me, foment implies intent. I don’t think Biden intended for children to be trafficked, but I think the rise in trafficking is a foreseeable consequence of his negligence at the border. Just as the rise of ICE detainee deaths the past 18 months is a direct, foreseeable result of Trump cutting medical funding to detention facilities at the same time the number of detainees surged.

Edit: I misspoke. This article describes the funding situation more clearly. I’m not normally in the habit of using Mother Jones as a source, but it’s consistent with what an investigation led by Sen Ossoff revealed. Bottom line is some of the detainees aren’t receiving needed medical care, and this has led to at least some of the 52 deaths in ICE custody the past 18 months. The payment freeze to specialists and outside providers began in October and is ongoing.


That i can get on board with as an increased amount of youth (victims) and not sufficient follow up and monitoring, can def open the door for bad actors doing bad things or even desperate people doing bad things in regards to if it is actually family members....
 

Mac9192

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Forgive me for being skeptical, but for starters, I don't know who Manu Raju is, and secondly, we all know how credible the left has been when dishing out news. Cough Cough
 

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Forgive me for being skeptical, but for starters, I don't know who Manu Raju is, and secondly, we all know how credible the left has been when dishing out news. Cough Cough
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
 

Mac9192

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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
Nah. I'm not crazy about either side. Both are full of liars. The left is clinically insane though.

The bigger thing is they get hacks like you and me arguing. Which division amongst the masses is what they want.

Honest thoughts on the senator from Michigan, Elissa Slotkin. Saw a clip of her on Stephen A Smith's podcast. Didn't seem too much of a loon, but I have no idea.
 

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I told you guys months ago that we had depleted our supply of missile interceptors to a dangerous level. I’m glad the press is finally doing their job and reporting this, though this information has been out there for a while if you knew where to look.

It’s just another example of how ill prepared the U.S. was for this conflict, and as a result, most of our military bases in the region have been destroyed and will likely never be rebuilt. A complete embarrassment for the world’s lone “superpower.”
 

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Thoughts on McConnell pic round 2....just call and talk to the governor...put out a video remark...this past 2 pics are screaming AI...if that man has passed whats the thought on whats being done if that's the case????
 

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Thoughts on McConnell pic round 2....just call and talk to the governor...put out a video remark...this past 2 pics are screaming AI...if that man has passed whats the thought on whats being done if that's the case????
I might need to borrow @Mac9192 tinfoil hat, but I think he’s dead, and I think he’s been that way since the initial 911 call. They’re just hiding it until after August 3 because, under Kentucky election deadlines, the timing could affect how the vacancy is filled. Republicans aren’t in a position to let voters weigh in on anything right now with the mess Trump’s made. My guess is they’ll announce his death sometime around that date.
 
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I might need to borrow @Mac9192 tinfoil hat, but I think he’s dead, and I think he’s been that way since the initial 911 call. They’re just hiding it until after August 3 because, under Kentucky election deadlines, the timing could affect how the vacancy is filled. Republicans aren’t in a position to let voters weigh in on anything right now with the mess Trump’s made. My guess is they’ll announce his death sometime around that date.

It's definitely giving that vibe...i hope not though, as this is a diabolical shameless move imo....if proven to be true
 

Mac9192

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McConnell is like a lot of DC. He held on way too long, and his health took a bad turn like Ol Joe’s did about 6 plus years ago.

On another note, thoughts on Fauci’s COVID-era diary being released to the public?

You libs were told he was a snake years ago.