The Potpourri Three - NCAA Tournament Trivia
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John Wick. 50 throwing knives. Incendiary bullets. A kicking horse. A heavy book. Pencil.
I have no clue on who… it took me a minute to think of five ways!
Pin, tech, major, decision… what do you consider a fifth way? I can think of OT win(SV or ride out), injury default… any other way?
It was done three different ways by the three different wrestlers.
One had a DEC, MD, TF, PF Inj DFT.
One had a DEC, MD, TF, PF, BYE (due to opponent missing weight - OK, I played fast and loose here, so sue me).
But my favorite did it with what I like to call a natural. All matches were contested. He had DEC, MD, SD, TF, and PF.
The SD (superior decision) should date it for you.
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Sorry, I could not find any John Wick in the data. But there was some guy named Baba Yaga that won with throwing knives, incendiary bullets, a kicking horse, a heavy book, and a pencil. I thought he had retired, but then I guess he was back.
I have only a vague recollection of SD… maybe from my early 70s high school days…
please refresh my memory what that was!
In 1972 they added Superior Decision - a win by 10+ points. In 1976 they bumped it up to 12+ points and added Major Decision - a win by 8 - 11 points. In 1985 Tech Fall was added - a win by 15+ points. And in 1988 Superior Decision was dropped.
Now you really have a narrow search window. As an additional clue the other two happened more recently than the natural.
In tournaments from 1972 to 1976 it was worth half a point. In 1976 it was bumped up to three-quarters of a point.
Dual scoring was different. They had three categories of decisions to the tournaments two categories for a while, but basically it was worth 5 until the TF arrived. I cannot find a rulebook for the years both SD and TF existed side by side, so I am not sure how dual scoring was handled then.
You forgot about DQ. That still counts as a legitimate win for the guy who gets his hand raised.
BTW, SV used to be called SD for Sudden Death. But I remember that Ed Aliverti always said he didn’t like that term so he would call it Sudden Victory. I’ll bet it was Ed’s use of that term that led to the name change.
As near as I can tell (brackets can be "off") there have been 28 DQs, but none of the recipients also won four other ways.
1978 - 1987 was crazy. There were 2 to 4 DQs every tournament those years. Then none until 2014.
That is a relief. I was very concerned you would have interest.
I vaguely remember one of our guys stalling his opponent out a year or two ago…IIRC in a dual at Michigan… I think it was one of our middleweight guys…maybe Mitchell… is he the guy with the two DW wins?
Mike Bauer, Oregon State, had one in 1979 and another in 1981.
Surprisingly given their pace, no PSU wrestler has been on the winning end of a DQ.
Mark Hall was close. In 2018 he had a first round MD, followed by a TF, DEC, and then PF. Sadly he had only four wins that year.
Kerry McCoy .OK, I will give you two of the three, but I really need you to figure out the third.
Now I gotta ask did you finally get around to putting historical ncaa championship data into something queriable ? Did you just learn the group by or distinct options in SQL ?Neither of these seem likely so I’ll just ask what on gods green earth made you even think of this question.
I’m kind of slow on the up take … so in a prior question when I said Hendrickson for 5 pins, I specifically asked any ncaa tournament not thinking you were limiting it to just the championships. Kind of glad I mucked up though as it was a good learning endeavor.
I’ll throw one back at ya what ncaa wrestler won a match two years in a row by default and bonus question how many times has that happened . It’s bonus cause I’m generally curious if it’s happened more than once.
Thank you for restoring my faith in fandom.
McCoy did the deed in 1995.
I recently finished the QA for every year and turned it over to my partner to upload the data to his website. Stay tuned.
As for the question, it was just something I found interesting given the diversity of result types, so I looked to see what I can find.
The most recent to win two years in a row by default was Darrion Caldwell in 2007, 2008. There have been eight other instances of this.
The most interesting to me was John Giura who was on the winning side of a DQ and two defaults over a three year run.
Stephen Neal is the career leader in defaults received with three.
On the flip side The King of Hard Luck was poor Rande Stottlemyer. He had four medical forfeits in his career. Three of them were in the fifth place match (1974, 1975, 1978) - or maybe he just didn't feel it?
In the default category the career achievement award goes to Andy Simmons who took four of those over two years (2005, 2007).