The problem with Stoops hiring an OC

Calsarmy

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The issue is not UK, the issue is Stoops.

Both of the OC's that have been there since Stoops got here averaged running something close to 85 offensive plays a game before they got here. With Stoops they averaged about 65 offensive plays for UK per game. A huge difference. Why? Are we saying that both of these guys spent a coaching lifetime and got to Lexington and changed ABSOLUTELY everything they had done over years of coaching?

No they changed because Stoops made them change. Stoops needs to get out of the OC business because he is clueless about SEC offenses or at least how to design a system that is part good fundamental football and part smoke and mirrors. A great example of Stoops not having an open mind was the trick play Vandy ran agaisnt him. He didn't think to defend it because on the other side of the ball he wouldn't have run it himself.

My suggestion. Go find all the money UK can offer and hire a genius OC. And then Stoops gets the hell out of the way. Lincoln Riley still is a head scratcher as to what happened there. I watched OU a few times and we would have not run 1/2 the plays Riley and brother ran out there.
 
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redbudman

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The issue is not UK, the issue is Stoops.

Both of the OC's that have been there since Stoops got here averaged running something close to 85 offensive plays a game before they got here. With Stoops they averaged about 65 offensive plays for UK per game. A huge difference. Why? Are we saying that both of these guys spent a coaching lifetime and got to Lexington and changed ABSOLUTELY everything they had done over years of coaching?

No they changed because Stoops made them change. Stoops needs to get out of the OC business because he is clueless about SEC offenses or at least how to design a system that is part good fundamental football and part smoke and mirrors. A great example of Stoops not having an open mind was the trick play Vandy ran agaisnt him. He didn't think to defend it because on the other side of the ball he wouldn't have run it himself.

My suggestion. Go find all the money UK can offer and hire a genius OC. And then Stoops gets the hell out of the way. Lincoln Riley still is a head scratcher as to what happened there. I watched OU a few times and we would have not run 1/2 the plays Riley and brother ran out there.
Thank you!
 

Poetax

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The issue is not UK, the issue is Stoops.

Both of the OC's that have been there since Stoops got here averaged running something close to 85 offensive plays a game before they got here. With Stoops they averaged about 65 offensive plays for UK per game. A huge difference. Why? Are we saying that both of these guys spent a coaching lifetime and got to Lexington and changed ABSOLUTELY everything they had done over years of coaching?

No they changed because Stoops made them change. Stoops needs to get out of the OC business because he is clueless about SEC offenses or at least how to design a system that is part good fundamental football and part smoke and mirrors. A great example of Stoops not having an open mind was the trick play Vandy ran agaisnt him. He didn't think to defend it because on the other side of the ball he wouldn't have run it himself.

My suggestion. Go find all the money UK can offer and hire a genius OC. And then Stoops gets the hell out of the way. Lincoln Riley still is a head scratcher as to what happened there. I watched OU a few times and we would have not run 1/2 the plays Riley and brother ran out there.

Maybe Riley isn't the genius that we thought.
 

Poetax

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Riley may not be that genius, and I will ask him when I see him at the National Championship game that he will probably be coaching in,,,,,,,,,,,,,just saying

I still think it's a long long shot that he comes here.
 

Cats192

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My assumption has long been that these guys were at schools with athletes that were at least comparable to the top of their respective conference. Here, we're playing catchup. Things that worked at some of these other schools aren't flying in the SEC.
 
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My assumption has long been that these guys were at schools with athletes that were at least comparable to the top of their respective conference. Here, we're playing catchup. Things that worked at some of these other schools aren't flying in the SEC.

UK plays in the SECE. It was arguably the weakest P5 division in college football this past season and has been mediocre at best for several years. UK has wasted a golden opportunity to climb that ladder because the other schools aren't resting on their laurels. Believe it or not, Stoops is now the dean of SECE coaches.
 

Cats192

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UK plays in the SECE. It was arguably the weakest P5 division in college football this past season and has been mediocre at best for several years. UK has wasted a golden opportunity to climb that ladder because the other schools aren't resting on their laurels. Believe it or not, Stoops is now the dean of SECE coaches.

But if the other teams in the division continue to be more athletic--you have to have a different approach. Even if we're in a "weak" division--still not being at the top of the athletic group presents it's own unique challenges.
 

akaukswoosh

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Lot of talk about the offense, but Stoops is supposed to be a defensive mind and our defense--his defense--in its third year under him is poor.
 
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To the new OC, whomever he may be, go directly to the press box. Get well acquainted with it, and be up there on game day. Have one of the other Offensive coaches signal in the play !
 

sluggercatfan

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My assumption has long been that these guys were at schools with athletes that were at least comparable to the top of their respective conference. Here, we're playing catchup. Things that worked at some of these other schools aren't flying in the SEC.
I don't think TT recruits any better than UK does...It is about philosophy!!!
 

UK Cats Rock

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Or, quite possibly instead of going all "conspiracy theory" the personnel was young, shallow, and just couldn't execute.

That makes too much sense.

Lot of talk about the offense, but Stoops is supposed to be a defensive mind and our defense--his defense--in its third year under him is poor.

See BlueRaider's comment. I felt the defense should have played better than they did; however, Stoops didn't forget how to coach defense. It just takes a little more depth and talent, and we are moving in that direction.

I love how after the season, everyone was saying that Stoops had to make moves with the coaching staff. Now that he makes a significant move, people find something else to complain about with the move.

Some people aren't happy unless they're unhappy. Wears me out. [laughing]
 
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The issue is not UK, the issue is Stoops.

Both of the OC's that have been there since Stoops got here averaged running something close to 85 offensive plays a game before they got here. With Stoops they averaged about 65 offensive plays for UK per game. A huge difference. Why? Are we saying that both of these guys spent a coaching lifetime and got to Lexington and changed ABSOLUTELY everything they had done over years of coaching?

No they changed because Stoops made them change. Stoops needs to get out of the OC business because he is clueless about SEC offenses or at least how to design a system that is part good fundamental football and part smoke and mirrors. A great example of Stoops not having an open mind was the trick play Vandy ran agaisnt him. He didn't think to defend it because on the other side of the ball he wouldn't have run it himself.

My suggestion. Go find all the money UK can offer and hire a genius OC. And then Stoops gets the hell out of the way. Lincoln Riley still is a head scratcher as to what happened there. I watched OU a few times and we would have not run 1/2 the plays Riley and brother ran out there.

Stoops needs to figure out what kind of offense he wants to run at UK, and then get an OC that runs that offense, and as you say, get the hell out of the way. Saban said he lets the OC run the offense, and he stays out of it. I would bet his OC sometimes checks with what he thinks, but not every play.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
 
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louie21us

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100% accurate willieevic, he has to trust his coordinators if he doesn't then that is on him.
 

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I love how after the season, everyone was saying that Stoops had to make moves with the coaching staff. Now that he makes a significant move, people find something else to complain about with the move.
if I had to estimate, there were far more on these boards that thought stoops was the issue than thoughts his staff was the issue. stands to reason every single move stoops makes going forward will be second guessed - and imo rightfully so.
 

Cats192

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I don't think TT recruits any better than UK does...It is about philosophy!!!

Well, no. The point is about how the athletes at TT compare to the athletes in the B12 vs the athletes at UK comparing to the rest of the SEC.

If the WR's at TT are better than 2/3 of the cornerbacks in the B12, and 99% of the CB's in the SEC are better than UK's WR's--you cant just go throwing it 75 times a game.
 

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if I had to estimate, there were far more on these boards that thought stoops was the issue than thoughts his staff was the issue. stands to reason every single move stoops makes going forward will be second guessed - and imo rightfully so.
But we all knew there was zero chance that Stoops was leaving based on his contract. So, the two biggest possible moves that can be made are replacing the OC and the DC. He makes one of those moves and the immediate thing people start writing about is that he's going to screw it up. Why don't we wait and see how this plays out before going completely negative from the get go.
 

Shavers48

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But we all knew there was zero chance that Stoops was leaving based on his contract. So, the two biggest possible moves that can be made are replacing the OC and the DC. He makes one of those moves and the immediate thing people start writing about is that he's going to screw it up. Why don't we wait and see how this plays out before going completely negative from the get go.
but that's all there is to talk about!!
 

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But we all knew there was zero chance that Stoops was leaving based on his contract. So, the two biggest possible moves that can be made are replacing the OC and the DC. He makes one of those moves and the immediate thing people start writing about is that he's going to screw it up. Why don't we wait and see how this plays out before going completely negative from the get go.
The firing of the OC is the only thing going on now, what else to talk about? Stoops has hired two air raid OC's and we don't run an air raid offense., why shouldn't we be afraid he's going to screw it up? Makes sense to me
 

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But we all knew there was zero chance that Stoops was leaving based on his contract. So, the two biggest possible moves that can be made are replacing the OC and the DC. He makes one of those moves and the immediate thing people start writing about is that he's going to screw it up. Why don't we wait and see how this plays out before going completely negative from the get go.
He wasn't going to fire his buddy and I'm sure that Dawson leaving was a mutual agreement. We wasted three years with air raid coordinators who we didn't let run the air raid. Hopefully Stoops and his buddy stay on that side and let the next OC do his job. We let one side of the ball suck for three years and we fire a guy after one year on the other side. I didn't much care for Dawson and I also don't care for the buddy system in college coaching. Happens in bball too.
 

Calsarmy

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I love how after the season, everyone was saying that Stoops had to make moves with the coaching staff. Now that he makes a significant move, people find something else to complain about with the move.
Im not so much complaining about changes as much as I am complaining about Stoops himself. I think he will not let his OC's loose and its hurt UK and him in the end.
 

Calsarmy

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Again Im not complaining about the choice, Im complaining about Stoops himself. Just leave the OC alone and lets make this thing work. I have no idea who the choice is but lets let that guy do HIS job.