Julian Fleming poised to sign. How do we feel?
Too little too late?
Or Ohio State made a big mistake letting him go?
Too little too late?
Or Ohio State made a big mistake letting him go?
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The Prodigal Son ?
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It would be ironic, for sure, if he has a stellar year and takes us to the playoffs. Let’s hope!
You know the drill . We golf clap now . The Blue White game comes and he only has two TDs. Then we shred him like a grizzly bear going after a hefty trash bag
It's ironic, I think. Isn't he the one that didn't come because osu negative recruited on us that our WR coaching stunk?
It's hard to refute that right now, and yet he wants to come?
It's hard to refute that right now, and yet he wants to come?
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My intel was that he interest in his PSU girlfriend was misinterpreted as interest in PSU Football. When it came to choice PSU was a distant 4th behind Bama, Clemson and OSU. The attack on PSU development of Wrs came after he sustained a lot of local blowback for passing on PSU. Justin Shorter's father, I gather, was in Grandpa Mick's ear?
I don’t know how I’d feel about this. Is there enough soap in the world to properly scrub him clean of the Buckeye stank before he would get here?
One could see this as Psu taking one step closer to becoming more like Pitt than that of Osu and Michigan. Pitt is a dumping ground for PA kids who can’t seem to cut it at big time programs but know they can always transfer to Pitt when things don’t work out (Derrick Davis and Donovan McMillon).
Fleming’s stats this past year appear to be very pedestrian which suggests that if psu is taking him it may actually be more of an indictment of the talent level of their current receivers.
Fleming’s stats this past year appear to be very pedestrian which suggests that if psu is taking him it may actually be more of an indictment of the talent level of their current receivers.
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Did he catch most of the passes he was supposed to catch? If so, that's all I care about. I didn't follow his career at OSU. Maybe he just wasn't utilized enough with the top-level talent he was up against.
According to some of the tOSU faithful, he had more than an acceptable percentage of drops. I have no evidence to support that claim though.
I found this scouting report to be interesting it was last updated 12-10-23. My buckeye friends say he is a good downfield blocker, which is the only issue that seems to be at odds with this scouting report
Julian Fleming from Southern Columbia High School was rated a 5-star recruit by ESPN and handed a 5-star grade by 247 Sports. After high school, Fleming opted to join Ohio State.
In 2020 as a freshman Fleming saw action in 8 games for the Buckeyes as he made 7 receptions for only 74 yards for an average of 10.6 yards per reception, with no TDs, and only QB rating when targeted of 38.6.
As a sophomore in 2021 he played 8 games and had only 12 catches for 86 yards for an average of 7.2 yards per catch, with one TD, and QB rating when targeted of 69.2.
As a junior in 2022 he played 10 games and hauled in 29 catches for 462 yards for an average of 15.9 yards per catch, with 6 TDs, and an elite QB rating when targeted of 127.0.
As a senior in 2023 he played 12 games and had 26 catches for 270 yards for an average of 10.4 yards per catch, no TDs, and QB rating when targeted of 82.4.
Julian Fleming from Southern Columbia High School was rated a 5-star recruit by ESPN and handed a 5-star grade by 247 Sports. After high school, Fleming opted to join Ohio State.
In 2020 as a freshman Fleming saw action in 8 games for the Buckeyes as he made 7 receptions for only 74 yards for an average of 10.6 yards per reception, with no TDs, and only QB rating when targeted of 38.6.
As a sophomore in 2021 he played 8 games and had only 12 catches for 86 yards for an average of 7.2 yards per catch, with one TD, and QB rating when targeted of 69.2.
As a junior in 2022 he played 10 games and hauled in 29 catches for 462 yards for an average of 15.9 yards per catch, with 6 TDs, and an elite QB rating when targeted of 127.0.
As a senior in 2023 he played 12 games and had 26 catches for 270 yards for an average of 10.4 yards per catch, no TDs, and QB rating when targeted of 82.4.
SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS
- Has smooth acceleration and deceiving speed. Balanced and very fast with the ball in his hands.
- A fluid mover capable of creating some separation over the middle of the field, Fleming has the long arms and soft hands to provide a sizable catch radius.
- Fleming also has value as a catch-and-run threat, running hard and consistently picking up yards after the catch.
- Has a knack for getting open and is a quarterback's best friend - passers just need to toss the ball in his area and he'll come down with it.
- Tracks the ball well downfield and shows good ball skills, including the ability to go up and high-point it in contested-catch situations.
- Fleming shows suddenness off the line of scrimmage and accelerates quickly, and his top-end speed is among the best in this draft.
- A versatile weapon, proving to be effective inside in the slot and outside on the perimeter. Makes plays at all levels of the field.
SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES
- Fleming doesn’t have the ability as a run blocker or the violent run-after-catch ability.
- Does not always use his hands to secure deep throws, allowing the ball into his pads and chest.
- Fleming also lacks suddenness as a route runner, and that is a potential issue at the next level.
It's simple....you welcome him and hope he flourishes. How is the decent or normal thing hard to do anymore?
How bout it? He’s kept his mouth shut and hasn’t complained. He’s gotten much bigger over the years. Honestly, he appears to be more of an undersized h-back. Which , we’re gonna need without Johnson and Warren. He’s not the sleek, speedy game-breaker we also need. But, I’d bet he catches 40-50 passes and helps team if he comes to PSU.
Take him, slaughter the calf, and smoke some meat!!
Not the calf! How about a kid goat? I've never had smoked goat.
Word was that Fleming and a girlfriend going to PSU or not influenced his decision to not come here. Perhaps a photo of said chick can be posted to help the AKB make a better decision if we want him or not! Remember…. Boobs matter!
If he improves the WR room, why wouldn't you take him? Would you tell Marvin Harrison, Jr., "No, thanks. You had your chance."? Performance at Ohio State, or any other school, means little when it comes to potential performance at a new school. See Jameson Williams as an example. If he selects Penn State, it may work, it may not. If the staff thinks he or any other player is a plus, give him a shot.
Maybe it has something to do with who OSU's other receivers were - maybe that Harrison Jr kid who seems to be a decent receiver and might have been targeted more - just a random thought..
Isn't the talent level of the current receivers the whole reason for PSU going to the portal and offering receivers?
They are not looking for QB's or RB's in the portal because the talent level is already there.
It shouldn’t be hard… for me there’s just some cognitive dissonance around integrating the concepts of “doing the decent thing” and a PA guy who originally had gone to OSU.
I’m sure I could get over it. A few spectacular catches in blue and white, and I could foresee the dissonance dissipating.
This Buckeye fan is sorry to see him go, but understand his reasons and I'm happy for the kid. He battled throughout his career with a bum shoulder that set him back and a loaded WR room. During his tenure in Columbus there were 5 NFL 1st rounders in that room. Wilson, Olave, Njigba, Harrison and Williams. Now, there's 3 more young studs looking for PT on the way. I love the kid. In spite of his hardships, he kept his nose down, did the dirty work and kept grinding and was a very productive member of our team and exhibited great leadership. In that room he was never gonna be the feature option and this represents his last best opportunity to show out as a primary target. He's unselfish does a great job blocking on the perimeter and downfield, he's big strong target with plenty of speed. I think he has a chance to give you guys a material downfield threat that your offense has struggled to find last year. I'll be rooting hard for him
He'll be nearly 24 when he takes the field this fall. He has chronic shoulder discomfort and apparent occasional subluxation, which surgeries have failed to correct. I don't see how you beat Ohio State with their former #3 or #4.
On the positive side, he's well regarded and respected at Southern Columbia and Ohio State as a hard worker, team player etc.
Perhaps he can instill a work ethic and proper attitude as a leader in the WR room?
While I don't see great value, if the staff brings him in, it means that Nic, James and Hagans wanted him. I'll give the nod to their judgement over mine
I'm sure the BWICAC will agree.
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Fleming’s dissing of Penn State’s WR room occurred in his press conference when he announced his commitment to OSU. Said that early on he was interested in Penn State but after speaking with OSU coaches he realized that Penn State came up short in the big games. He also made a specific point during that conference to criticize Penn State’s failure to use Shorter.
It may not be well received from an 18 year old, but all of those points are valid on some level. I think that’s part of your point. No need to hold a grudge for him being honest in his assessment and using reasonable logic in a decision.
With the struggles of the PSU WR room, I welcome him with open arms. PSU needs all the help it can get at WR.
I would think it comes down to Coach Haggans and what he thinks....however all i hear is an overhaul of the WR room.....and that would be a good start.
He does have a chronic shoulder issue that has been a major problem for him, but he seemed to have gotten over the hump this year. He is a positive addition to your team from a leadership standpoint alone, an outstanding gunner on punts, a material downfield threat with the experience and ability to be WR1. Whether or not he was #3 or #4 option at Ohio State is irrelevant. Based upon what I saw, he would have been your WR1 at least the last two years and your team will be stronger with his addition. If he stays healthy, I think you're gonna love the kid
Have you lost your GD mind? Here and now is neither the time nor the place for that type of lunacy. I bet you’re one of those turn the other cheek freaks.
Oh boy, I've had it with those people. Every Sunday it's like I'm surrounded by them!
Same. I’m not brimming over with enthusiasm about this, probably because of the foreignness of the whole situation.It shouldn’t be hard… for me there’s just some cognitive dissonance around integrating the concepts of “doing the decent thing” and a PA guy who originally had gone to OSU.
I’m sure I could get over it. A few spectacular catches in blue and white, and I could foresee the dissonance dissipating.
Just asked myself if I’d be more pumped about this portal transfer if the player was coming from, say, Texas or Florida or Alabama. Probably. Well, it’s my problem to deal with.
Let’s hope he stays healthy, catches 100 balls for over 1300 yards, and scores 12 TDs.
Stop whining and rationalizing and schedule an appointment with a psychiatrist.
I’m thinking Fleming will likely be PSU’s best WR next year, am I wrong? I guess I might be bothered by the stark reality staring me in the face, that we’re pretty far from Top-4 Elite. Fleming would have been, what, #3 WR at OSU, tops. Whatever. Welcome, JF, if you’re indeed PSU-bound.