The scariest thing about Brown's obsession with Doege

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Doege can dink and dunk around, throw for 250 and 2tds and maybe even put a few nice passes on the money in a game. I don't think anyone is denying that. The problem with the "his numbers look good" thinking is

Doege rarely ever takes a chance throwing the ball giving a WR a chance for a 50/50 ball. WVU has some guys on the outside who can win these battles and make plays yet Doege never pushes the ball downfield. Negative

Doege has zero mobility and when a line is struggling and all you have is a quick slant the defense figures this out quickly and you get stopped or get guys killed coming across the middle, we saw that against Baylor. Sacks happen at an increased rate. Next defenses will jump those routes and the picks will pile up. Negative

Greene has shown the ability to throw a beautiful ball on the run twice in two different scenarios. Escaping the pocket to make a play. Positive

Greene makes the run game TWICE as effective and opens up the field for Leddie. Positive

Greene has a different energy and it shows, the offense responds better to him and they are excited when he's in the game. He's a leader. Positive

Greene has a Swagger that Doege does not. That kind of thing can cause a Team to believe in each other even if taking some lumps along the way. Big Positive

Can Doege throw a "better ball{" than Greene? I don't know, maybe. I'm not convinced he can. Can Doege read a defense "better" than Greene? Not exactly convinced that's true either because Greene has made more big plays from a defensive win pre snap than Doege in limited action so far. Can Doege have better passing stats than Greene right now? Sure because he's getting more reps than Greene and more scripted passes with no option to run if it breaks down or takes too long to develop.

Doege "looks' like he played pretty good at the end of the day based on stats. Greene makes the offense better all around because of options. How many times you think Maziel went "off script" and just made something happen? All the great scrambling QB's do it. Greene hasn't proven he's anything more than a running QB who can throw but he also hasn't been given that chance. Brown can say whatever he wants about Greene and Doege in practice but we also understand now that 1) The back end of the defense is not nearly as good as it needs to be and 2) Brown said Doege was "the most improved player"
 

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Doege can dink and dunk around, throw for 250 and 2tds and maybe even put a few nice passes on the money in a game. I don't think anyone is denying that. The problem with the "his numbers look good" thinking is

Doege rarely ever takes a chance throwing the ball giving a WR a chance for a 50/50 ball. WVU has some guys on the outside who can win these battles and make plays yet Doege never pushes the ball downfield. Negative

Doege has zero mobility and when a line is struggling and all you have is a quick slant the defense figures this out quickly and you get stopped or get guys killed coming across the middle, we saw that against Baylor. Sacks happen at an increased rate. Next defenses will jump those routes and the picks will pile up. Negative

Greene has shown the ability to throw a beautiful ball on the run twice in two different scenarios. Escaping the pocket to make a play. Positive

Greene makes the run game TWICE as effective and opens up the field for Leddie. Positive

Greene has a different energy and it shows, the offense responds better to him and they are excited when he's in the game. He's a leader. Positive

Greene has a Swagger that Doege does not. That kind of thing can cause a Team to believe in each other even if taking some lumps along the way. Big Positive

Can Doege throw a "better ball{" than Greene? I don't know, maybe. I'm not convinced he can. Can Doege read a defense "better" than Greene? Not exactly convinced that's true either because Greene has made more big plays from a defensive win pre snap than Doege in limited action so far. Can Doege have better passing stats than Greene right now? Sure because he's getting more reps than Greene and more scripted passes with no option to run if it breaks down or takes too long to develop.

Doege "looks' like he played pretty good at the end of the day based on stats. Greene makes the offense better all around because of options. How many times you think Maziel went "off script" and just made something happen? All the great scrambling QB's do it. Greene hasn't proven he's anything more than a running QB who can throw but he also hasn't been given that chance. Brown can say whatever he wants about Greene and Doege in practice but we also understand now that 1) The back end of the defense is not nearly as good as it needs to be and 2) Brown said Doege was "the most improved player"
It is not what Brown thinks of Doege that matters, rather it is what the OL thinks of him. An OL, even a weak one like ours, makes it obvious when they are trying to protect the QB. Our OL does not seem to care what happens to Doege. Their collective attitude about Doege far outweighs what Brown thinks of him.
 

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Greene has shown the ability to throw a beautiful ball on the run twice in two different scenarios. Escaping the pocket to make a play. FALSE Has yet to throw anything beautiful or precisely downfield

Greene makes the run game TWICE as effective and opens up the field for Leddie. FALSE Leddie has missed holes and lanes with both QBs

Greene has a different energy and it shows, the offense responds better to him and they are excited when he's in the game. He's a leader. FALSE He hasn't led anything except himself

Greene has a Swagger that Doege does not. That kind of thing can cause a Team to believe in each other even if taking some lumps along the way. Ok TRUE But that swagger is going to get himself hurt.
 

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Doege can dink and dunk around, throw for 250 and 2tds and maybe even put a few nice passes on the money in a game. I don't think anyone is denying that. The problem with the "his numbers look good" thinking is

Doege rarely ever takes a chance throwing the ball giving a WR a chance for a 50/50 ball. WVU has some guys on the outside who can win these battles and make plays yet Doege never pushes the ball downfield. Negative

Doege has zero mobility and when a line is struggling and all you have is a quick slant the defense figures this out quickly and you get stopped or get guys killed coming across the middle, we saw that against Baylor. Sacks happen at an increased rate. Next defenses will jump those routes and the picks will pile up. Negative

Greene has shown the ability to throw a beautiful ball on the run twice in two different scenarios. Escaping the pocket to make a play. Positive

Greene makes the run game TWICE as effective and opens up the field for Leddie. Positive

Greene has a different energy and it shows, the offense responds better to him and they are excited when he's in the game. He's a leader. Positive

Greene has a Swagger that Doege does not. That kind of thing can cause a Team to believe in each other even if taking some lumps along the way. Big Positive

Can Doege throw a "better ball{" than Greene? I don't know, maybe. I'm not convinced he can. Can Doege read a defense "better" than Greene? Not exactly convinced that's true either because Greene has made more big plays from a defensive win pre snap than Doege in limited action so far. Can Doege have better passing stats than Greene right now? Sure because he's getting more reps than Greene and more scripted passes with no option to run if it breaks down or takes too long to develop.

Doege "looks' like he played pretty good at the end of the day based on stats. Greene makes the offense better all around because of options. How many times you think Maziel went "off script" and just made something happen? All the great scrambling QB's do it. Greene hasn't proven he's anything more than a running QB who can throw but he also hasn't been given that chance. Brown can say whatever he wants about Greene and Doege in practice but we also understand now that 1) The back end of the defense is not nearly as good as it needs to be and 2) Brown said Doege was "the most improved player"
You forgot too add, that defense would kill Green
 
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We have no QB.

I've written this before and will again:

Our QB next year needs to be the best QB in the transfer portal. Whoever that is, we need to recruit him like he's the second coming of Joe Montana.
 
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We have no QB.

I've written this before and will again:

Our QB next year needs to be the best QB in the transfer portal. Whoever that is, we need to recruit him like he's the second coming of Joe Montana.

If Nicco is even close to as good as advertised, let him play as a true freshman. We know nothing about Crowder yet either. I'm not opposed to grabbing a transfer QB, I'm just sick of wasting development time for 1 year rental QB's.
 

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Doege can dink and dunk around, throw for 250 and 2tds and maybe even put a few nice passes on the money in a game. I don't think anyone is denying that. The problem with the "his numbers look good" thinking is

Doege rarely ever takes a chance throwing the ball giving a WR a chance for a 50/50 ball. WVU has some guys on the outside who can win these battles and make plays yet Doege never pushes the ball downfield. Negative

Doege has zero mobility and when a line is struggling and all you have is a quick slant the defense figures this out quickly and you get stopped or get guys killed coming across the middle, we saw that against Baylor. Sacks happen at an increased rate. Next defenses will jump those routes and the picks will pile up. Negative

Greene has shown the ability to throw a beautiful ball on the run twice in two different scenarios. Escaping the pocket to make a play. Positive

Greene makes the run game TWICE as effective and opens up the field for Leddie. Positive

Greene has a different energy and it shows, the offense responds better to him and they are excited when he's in the game. He's a leader. Positive

Greene has a Swagger that Doege does not. That kind of thing can cause a Team to believe in each other even if taking some lumps along the way. Big Positive

Can Doege throw a "better ball{" than Greene? I don't know, maybe. I'm not convinced he can. Can Doege read a defense "better" than Greene? Not exactly convinced that's true either because Greene has made more big plays from a defensive win pre snap than Doege in limited action so far. Can Doege have better passing stats than Greene right now? Sure because he's getting more reps than Greene and more scripted passes with no option to run if it breaks down or takes too long to develop.

Doege "looks' like he played pretty good at the end of the day based on stats. Greene makes the offense better all around because of options. How many times you think Maziel went "off script" and just made something happen? All the great scrambling QB's do it. Greene hasn't proven he's anything more than a running QB who can throw but he also hasn't been given that chance. Brown can say whatever he wants about Greene and Doege in practice but we also understand now that 1) The back end of the defense is not nearly as good as it needs to be and 2) Brown said Doege was "the most improved player"
You write a beautiful love story that today was exposed as fiction. You write glowing raves abut Greens and ALL he offers. Really? did you see him get stripped of the ball because he a=was not carrying it as one expects of a seasoned performer. Lost nearly 30 yards. 30!. He came back in for a few other series and really played like he is playing in someone's empty lot with some neighthnood kids. Sorry, but I saw nothing from him that screams super leader. I am not enamored with Doege and much of his 'play', but I surely do not see, in Greene, the savior that you wrote about in the above fairy tale.
 

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48, and yes. Why?
With the piss poor play and losing record we either have a team with little talent...a QB who can't shoot straight...and /or a lousy coach. More likely we have a little of all of that. If you truly ever suited up anywhere but by a video screen you would see it.
 

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I'd say let Greene play more so we can get a better idea if he's the answer in 2022, but if he's not that might end up costing us a game and Brown can't afford to do that. Then again, Brown sees Greene everyday in practice and maybe he's just not a good enough passer. Also, he's not very big so if a played a lot he might just end up injured anyway.

It seems to me that Doege was the best in the last four games of 2019. My hope were really high after that but they've been dashed. The bottom line is, there's an inverse relationship between how mobile a QB is and how well he needs to pass the ball. If Doege could run then his okay but not great passing would be forgivable, but he's not mobile and it's made worse by our lack of o-line pass protection. I don't know if Doege has another year of eligibility in 2022 (due to COVID) but I have to say I hope he doesn't come back.
 

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With the piss poor play and losing record we either have a team with little talent...a QB who can't shoot straight...and /or a lousy coach. More likely we have a little of all of that. If you truly ever suited up anywhere but by a video screen you would see it.
How old are you and did you ever play?
 
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Doege can dink and dunk around, throw for 250 and 2tds and maybe even put a few nice passes on the money in a game. I don't think anyone is denying that. The problem with the "his numbers look good" thinking is

Doege rarely ever takes a chance throwing the ball giving a WR a chance for a 50/50 ball. WVU has some guys on the outside who can win these battles and make plays yet Doege never pushes the ball downfield. Negative

Doege has zero mobility and when a line is struggling and all you have is a quick slant the defense figures this out quickly and you get stopped or get guys killed coming across the middle, we saw that against Baylor. Sacks happen at an increased rate. Next defenses will jump those routes and the picks will pile up. Negative

Greene has shown the ability to throw a beautiful ball on the run twice in two different scenarios. Escaping the pocket to make a play. Positive

Greene makes the run game TWICE as effective and opens up the field for Leddie. Positive

Greene has a different energy and it shows, the offense responds better to him and they are excited when he's in the game. He's a leader. Positive

Greene has a Swagger that Doege does not. That kind of thing can cause a Team to believe in each other even if taking some lumps along the way. Big Positive

Can Doege throw a "better ball{" than Greene? I don't know, maybe. I'm not convinced he can. Can Doege read a defense "better" than Greene? Not exactly convinced that's true either because Greene has made more big plays from a defensive win pre snap than Doege in limited action so far. Can Doege have better passing stats than Greene right now? Sure because he's getting more reps than Greene and more scripted passes with no option to run if it breaks down or takes too long to develop.

Doege "looks' like he played pretty good at the end of the day based on stats. Greene makes the offense better all around because of options. How many times you think Maziel went "off script" and just made something happen? All the great scrambling QB's do it. Greene hasn't proven he's anything more than a running QB who can throw but he also hasn't been given that chance. Brown can say whatever he wants about Greene and Doege in practice but we also understand now that 1) The back end of the defense is not nearly as good as it needs to be and 2) Brown said Doege was "the most improved player"

Doege rarely ever takes a chance throwing the ball giving a WR a chance for a 50/50 ball.

Add holds the ball too long and you've nailed it.

Any offense that scores only 3 points in today's world is seriously malfunctioning. Today was a calamity. I was ashamed to be a Mountaineer!
 

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Wow. And I was going to praise the fact that Oklahoma State is a pretty good team playing great football right now.

Never mind.
 
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Wow. And I was going to praise the fact that Oklahoma State is a pretty good team playing great football right now.

Never mind.

NO TEAM IS SO GOOD THAT WVU ONLY SCORES 3 POINTS. THAT'S ON THE MOUNTAINEERS. 7 SACKS. QB HOLDING THE BALL TOO LONG WAITING FOR A RECEIVER TO BE OPEN BY 10 YARDS. ALL A BAD, BAD COMBINATION. AND AFTER 9 GAMES. HAVEN'T LEARNED MUCH. TRUST THE CLIMB? EYEBALLS SEE THE FREEFALL.
 

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With the piss poor play and losing record we either have a team with little talent...a QB who can't shoot straight...and /or a lousy coach. More likely we have a little of all of that. If you truly ever suited up anywhere but by a video screen you would see it.
There are numerous other contributing factors that you fail to weave into your agenda. Consider youth and experience. Consider the quality of opposition (exception being TT). Consider the two games prior to this past Saturday when attaching your label of "piss poor". Consider some individuals WITH TALENT who are making some real bonehead, concentration lacking plays--I note particularly the horrible fumble by Greene and the muffed punt. (there are also several others that fit in here also).
So, IMO, the provided, simplified analysis is just that over simplified and laced with accysatuioin and not much in the way of specifics.
 

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NO TEAM IS SO GOOD THAT WVU ONLY SCORES 3 POINTS. THAT'S ON THE MOUNTAINEERS. 7 SACKS. QB HOLDING THE BALL TOO LONG WAITING FOR A RECEIVER TO BE OPEN BY 10 YARDS. ALL A BAD, BAD COMBINATION. AND AFTER 9 GAMES. HAVEN'T LEARNED MUCH. TRUST THE CLIMB? EYEBALLS SEE THE FREEFALL.
We should have hired Terry Bowden. He would have dropped 66 on Long Island ice tea U
 

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This team has more issues than just Doege. If you can't see that then you haven't watched a game all year.
 

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NO TEAM IS SO GOOD THAT WVU ONLY SCORES 3 POINTS. THAT'S ON THE MOUNTAINEERS. 7 SACKS. QB HOLDING THE BALL TOO LONG WAITING FOR A RECEIVER TO BE OPEN BY 10 YARDS. ALL A BAD, BAD COMBINATION. AND AFTER 9 GAMES. HAVEN'T LEARNED MUCH. TRUST THE CLIMB? EYEBALLS SEE THE FREEFALL.
Hey, Fall Guy. Whatever happened to your unfettered praise of all things Mountaineers?
 

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There are numerous other contributing factors that you fail to weave into your agenda. Consider youth and experience. Consider the quality of opposition (exception being TT). Consider the two games prior to this past Saturday when attaching your label of "piss poor". Consider some individuals WITH TALENT who are making some real bonehead, concentration lacking plays--I note particularly the horrible fumble by Greene and the muffed punt. (there are also several others that fit in here also).
So, IMO, the provided, simplified analysis is just that over simplified and laced with accysatuioin and not much in the way of specifics.
Can you define that 13 syllable word that I have no idea how to pronounce? It begins with acc.
 

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With the piss poor play and losing record we either have a team with little talent...a QB who can't shoot straight...and /or a lousy coach. More likely we have a little of all of that. If you truly ever suited up anywhere but by a video screen you would see it.
I see a very average QB. A very average coach. I also think with a talented QB we would at least be 7-2. And I also see and can tell you want WVU to fail.
 

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There are numerous other contributing factors that you fail to weave into your agenda. Consider youth and experience. Consider the quality of opposition (exception being TT). Consider the two games prior to this past Saturday when attaching your label of "piss poor". Consider some individuals WITH TALENT who are making some real bonehead, concentration lacking plays--I note particularly the horrible fumble by Greene and the muffed punt. (there are also several others that fit in here also).
So, IMO, the provided, simplified analysis is just that over simplified and laced with accysatuioin and not much in the way of specifics.
Accysatuion...can't stop laughing at your lack of intelligence. Lol...😂🤣
 
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Can you define that 13 syllable word that I have no idea how to pronounce? It begins with acc.

I think it stands for a grammar nazi cock bag that knows goddamn well that posts, especially on mobile devices, will tend to have misspelling but will use it as a non-sequitur to avoid the substance of the post. Synonyms include muthed.
 

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Here is my recommendation, if you’re going to play multiple quarterbacks, try taking Doege out when he is struggling (ie Baylor well before the end of the 4th quarter, Texas Tech, etc). Keep Doege in when he (and the line) is playing well and the offense has rhythm (pretty much every time Greene comes in to play). Seems pretty basic yet the coach seems to struggle with that concept.