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Boom Boom

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Many politicians are talking about reparations and they were voted in.
Lol. Many pols are talking about many things. Clown.
I realize you can’t admit that.
I can admit any point made whatsoever. I'm not you.
And discussing reparations isn’t threading the needle. It’s idiotic like you.
You missed the point.
Hunters laptop was real.
So, if you get arrested based on evidence that's been in my personal possession for 2 years, that's got you dead to rights, no problems whatsoever? Lol, clown.
 
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Villagedawg

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The majority of Californians voted for people who have allowed that.

And they keep voting for them.
You’re going to be shocked when I tell you that people do a lot of shoplifting in Mississippi without an hell of a lot of consequences. Even at the Noxapater Dollar General. And when are the majority of Mississippians going to stop voting to be such a poor state andto make Jackson like it is?***
 

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I moved back when I was 34 after years of exploring because of grand kids not knowing grandparents and haven't regretted it at all. I was making more $$ before but the much lower cost of housing and insurance alone make up a lot of that. Besides that, my kids (and me and my wife) have known the extended family well especially grandparents and now our grand kids know their great grandparents. Everybody's priorities are different but some things money can't buy and the sight of my mom holding my granddaughter (her great granddaughter) and talking to her and telling her she hopes that she isn't as wild and crazy as I was is priceless....
I made a similar decision years ago. I'm thankful that my kids grew up with close relationships with grandparents, cousins, etc. I'm also thankful that I had parents/in laws that I wanted my kids to be around. Not everyone has that.
 
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Screwed BAD.

But if you hunt or fish, it’s still a good time. But the problem with that is we don’t have that much public land and what we do have, is crowded. And we can’t compete with western states when it comes to the big ranches that draw people to pay money to kill trophies.

Tourism is kind of a lost cause for us, outside of some small historical places and things like that, and the casino niche on the Coast.

Need to focus on job recruiting and the cheap COL, like the article said. MS people are absolutely going to spend their vacation dollars in other states and that is not changing (and then come home and brag about it on Facebook and one up their Pinelake friends).
^^^wants a 30A sticker.***
 

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I have no desire to live among mountains, canyons, or near beaches. Don't mind visiting them once in a blue moon, but living amongst those type areas are fraught with danger that us flatlanders rarely encounter. I have relatives that live in the New Mexico mountains northeast of El Paso, and while very beautiful and full of conifer pines, forest fires and floods are terribly accentuated there. Trying to evacuate on 2 land gravel mountain roads was dang near impossible. And the floods/landslides were astounding and horrendous. They have since moved back to El Paso where it is much drier and desert like without all the New Mexico mountains drama and anxiety. And don't get me started on hurricanes who visit a lot of the nation's beaches a large part of the year. Just don't need it. Again, visit yes, live there, no.
Funny enough, I've had friends in California that are more afraid of tornados, due to randomness, than any of their stuff. I guess it boils down to what you are used to dealing with in many cases.
 

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I like some growth. MS is roughly almost 3 million. I would like to see us max out at about 5 million and no more. I hope to God we never become like Florida. 24 million in a state slightly larger land wise than us is suffocating. I went to the Tampa/Orlando area about a year ago and the traffic was bumper to bumper along with new roads being built everywhere. It really felt claustrophobic while just visiting for a few days. Makes you appreciate a little room to stretch out in as we have in Mississippi.
I think a lot about the differences in this country population wise between 1980 and now. I don't wish anyone was old but I wish all of you could have seen it. There were 100 million fewer people and many many places now that are so over crowded now were not then. Lots more "breathing room" to take vacations, visit cities and find a place to live.
 
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I think a lot about the differences in this country population wise between 1980 and now. I don't wish anyone was old but I wish all of you could have seen it. There were 100 million fewer people and many many places now that are so over crowded now were not then. Lots more "breathing room" to take vacations, visit cities and find a place to live.
When I was a kid late 80s/90s, Gulf Shores was so great to go to. You could stay at like a normal Best Western or whatever, plenty room to do stuff on the beaches, I don't remember my Dad cussing out over the traffic so it couldn't have been very bad.
 

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When I was a kid late 80s/90s, Gulf Shores was so great to go to. You could stay at like a normal Best Western or whatever, plenty room to do stuff on the beaches, I don't remember my Dad cussing out over the traffic so it couldn't have been very bad.
The National Parks like Yellowstone and the Smokies were wonderful too. You could go and actually feel some solitude.
 
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When I was a kid late 80s/90s, Gulf Shores was so great to go to. You could stay at like a normal Best Western or whatever, plenty room to do stuff on the beaches, I don't remember my Dad cussing out over the traffic so it couldn't have been very bad.
Flora-Bama Coast 80s to now is like weed 80s to now. It ain't the same.
When I was a kid late 80s/90s, Gulf Shores was so great to go to. You could stay at like a normal Best Western or whatever, plenty room to do stuff on the beaches, I don't remember my Dad cussing out over the traffic so it couldn't have been very bad.
Flora-Bama coast 80s to now is like weed 80s to now. It ain’t the same!
 
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Flora-Bama coast 80s to now is like weed 80s to now. It ain’t the same!
I dunno man, weed these days is pretty great, lots of choices, widely available (I only mean legally, of course), and if you do break the law by having a small amount you're not staring at a prison sentence.
 

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Flora-Bama coast 80s to now is like weed 80s to now. It ain’t the same!
I'm really curious as to what the equilibrium is going to be for that area. Destin is pretty much built up to the point you're shoulder to shoulder several rows or more deep during busy times of the year. There are still a few low density areas with older housing stock that could be torn down and redeveloped with higher desnity, but I think the value of a less crowded beach in front of them makes the economics on that hard.

Perdido Key to Gulf shores isn't as bad but of course the beach gets less desirable the further you go west. I think Gulf shores or maybe fort morgan is the limit as you go west, as the water west of Mobile bay as far as I know is pretty much always muddy with no visibility. As more people move to the southeast, are those areas going to continue to get development until they look like Destin does now? Or is the water quality not good enough for people to put up with Destin crowds.
 

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I'm really curious as to what the equilibrium is going to be for that area. Destin is pretty much built up to the point you're shoulder to shoulder several rows or more deep during busy times of the year. There are still a few low density areas with older housing stock that could be torn down and redeveloped with higher desnity, but I think the value of a less crowded beach in front of them makes the economics on that hard.

Perdido Key to Gulf shores isn't as bad but of course the beach gets less desirable the further you go west. I think Gulf shores or maybe fort morgan is the limit as you go west, as the water west of Mobile bay as far as I know is pretty much always muddy with no visibility. As more people move to the southeast, are those areas going to continue to get development until they look like Destin does now? Or is the water quality not good enough for people to put up with Destin crowds.
Really good points. late 10s I started going to western Pensacola beach. It is even getting more and more crowded there. The old Best Western we used to use for the beer festival got ripped down and another high rise condo stuck in its place. It was already the last holdout. If you go further east there are lots of residential type houses that are still available, but even those are being torn down and turned into what appear to be luxury houses.
 

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I'm really curious as to what the equilibrium is going to be for that area. Destin is pretty much built up to the point you're shoulder to shoulder several rows or more deep during busy times of the year. There are still a few low density areas with older housing stock that could be torn down and redeveloped with higher desnity, but I think the value of a less crowded beach in front of them makes the economics on that hard.
I would think the economics is one guy does it first, which succeeds because the beaches aren't crowded yet for the first case, then others copy it well past the point when it should be too crowded to work, but does. If you build it, the sheep will come.
Perdido Key to Gulf shores isn't as bad but of course the beach gets less desirable the further you go west. I think Gulf shores or maybe fort morgan is the limit as you go west, as the water west of Mobile bay as far as I know is pretty much always muddy with no visibility. As more people move to the southeast, are those areas going to continue to get development until they look like Destin does now? Or is the water quality not good enough for people to put up with Destin crowds.
Ft Morgan has a TON of room to develop. Plenty of high value beach homes there though. The drawback is it's a bit hard to get to and back over to entertainment/food in GS. I can see an easy expressway going in that cuts 30 minutes off travel time. Just needs the right bridge or two and existing county roads.
 

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Ft Morgan has a TON of room to develop. Plenty of high value beach homes there though. The drawback is it's a bit hard to get to and back over to entertainment/food in GS. I can see an easy expressway going in that cuts 30 minutes off travel time. Just needs the right bridge or two and existing county roads.
It’s been a year or two (or more?) but I know one of the times I was there whatever local paper had a story about nimby’s and an environmental group blocking permitting of a water and/or sewer treatment plant in fort Morgan. Not exactly how the paper painted it, but paper quoted somebody arguing they couldn’t really approve any more development that way without more water and sewer capacity and they either needed to build one out there or pay for a bunch of new piping and pump stations to move it.

I’m probably getting some of the details wrong there, but all that to say ft morgan may have the anti development tools to stop any high density development.

and realistically, if you’re comparing fort Morgan to the stuff to the East, the only plus is that it’s not crowded. If you’re going to be crowded regardless, might as well have nicer water and be more convenient to amenities. .
 

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It’s been a year or two (or more?) but I know one of the times I was there whatever local paper had a story about nimby’s and an environmental group blocking permitting of a water and/or sewer treatment plant in fort Morgan. Not exactly how the paper painted it, but paper quoted somebody arguing they couldn’t really approve any more development that way without more water and sewer capacity and they either needed to build one out there or pay for a bunch of new piping and pump stations to moveYat?
I can see that. Typically the new development has to pay to put in a good bit of that, but they always jockey to get out of it and get the locality to pick it up.

Also, they may have a high proportion of properties on septic, and may have to pick up a big tab to get them on city sewer if they put big developments on it. MS works that way.

Guess they'd also need more capacity for the top end infrastructure tool. But that kinda stuff isn't hard when you're growing.
I’m probably getting some of the details wrong there, but all that to say ft morgan may have the anti development tools to stop any high density development.
If they want, they just have to deny the big developers. Not how it usually goes though.
and realistically, if you’re comparing fort Morgan to the stuff to the East, the only plus is that it’s not crowded. If you’re going to be crowded regardless, might as well have nicer water and be more convenient to amenities. .
Wasn't that the sitch with GS/OB to begin with.....?