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If Tom left tomorrow, yes — you could almost guarantee meaningful roster movement. Drake Ayala, Kennedy, and Caliendo are the obvious names. Mocco, the Bachmans, and the Kennys would likely evaluate their options as well. Of course, the next hire would matter, but pretending the risk isn’t real ignores how college wrestling actually works.

There’s also a reason Ybarra, Cruz, Arnold, Estrada, Peterson, and Voinovich are still around. It’s not blind loyalty or denial. They don’t artificially place blame on the coaching staff when things don’t go their way. They’ve taken ownership of their development, accepted lineup reality, and continued to grind. That mindset matters.

By contrast, some of the wrestlers who left — Rathjen, Rhodes, Hill — believed they should have been in the lineup and placed that outcome primarily on the staff. That doesn’t make them wrong or bad wrestlers, but it does reflect a different way of processing adversity. And if we’re being honest, their competitive results elsewhere haven’t supported the idea that coaching was the limiting factor.

At elite programs, athletes follow assistants and relationships, not just head coaches or logos.

When Cael Sanderson left Iowa State for Penn State, ISU commits and relationships followed him — David Taylor, Ed Ruth, Andrew and Dylan Alton, and Frank Molinaro all chose Cael over the school.

When David Taylor later left Penn State (functionally acting as an assistant and RTC pillar), his development gravity went with him, immediately affecting trust and pathways in that room.

When Chris Perry left Oklahoma State, Carroll followed him, again reinforcing that athletes move with the coach they believe in most.

At Northern Colorado, Nickerson didn’t leave until Andrew Alirez was finished, because that relationship — not the institution — was the anchor and Nickerson sacrificed because he knew it wouldn't affect him, Alirez wasn't getting into West Point

That seems to be today's model.

Now ask the uncomfortable but necessary question:
If Morningstar, Terry, Dennis, or Telford left Iowa tomorrow, would we expect multiple starters or elite recruits to follow? Almost certainly not. And that’s the red flag.

This isn’t an argument that Tom is the problem in the way critics frame it. He’s a great name, a great coach, and he absolutely builds relationships. The real issue is structural: Tom has consistently shown discomfort surrounding himself with assistants who carry independent value, recruiting pull, and athlete loyalty — and he has been unwilling to fix that.

In today’s environment, dynasties are built by assistant-driven connective tissue. Iowa doesn’t lack tradition or leadership. It lacks a staff structure that distributes trust and benefit beyond the head coach. And none have ability to push back because they know their value is highest serving Tom.

Keep Tom if you want — but fix the staff. Because right now, the risk to the program isn’t change.
It’s standing still.
 
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If Tom left tomorrow, yes — you could almost guarantee meaningful roster movement. Drake Ayala, Kennedy, and Caliendo are the obvious names. Mocco, the Bachmans, and the Kennys would likely evaluate their options as well. Of course, the next hire would matter, but pretending the risk isn’t real ignores how modern wrestling actually works.

There’s also a reason Ybarra, Cruz, Peterson, and Voinovich are still around. It’s not blind loyalty or denial. They don’t artificially place blame on the coaching staff when things don’t go their way. They’ve taken ownership of their development, accepted lineup reality, and continued to grind. That mindset matters.

By contrast, some of the wrestlers who left — Rathjen, Rhodes, Hill — believed they should have been in the lineup and placed that outcome primarily on the staff. That doesn’t make them wrong or bad wrestlers, but it does reflect a different way of processing adversity. And if we’re being honest, their competitive results elsewhere haven’t supported the idea that coaching was the limiting factor.

At elite programs, athletes follow assistants and relationships, not just head coaches or logos.

When Cael Sanderson left Iowa State for Penn State, ISU commits and relationships followed him — David Taylor, Ed Ruth, Andrew and Dylan Alton, and Frank Molinaro all chose Cael over the school.

When David Taylor later left Penn State (functionally acting as an assistant and RTC pillar), his development gravity went with him, immediately affecting trust and pathways in that room.

When Chris Perry left Oklahoma State, Carroll followed him, again reinforcing that athletes move with the coach they believe in most.

At Northern Colorado, Nickerson didn’t leave until Andrew Alirez was finished, because that relationship — not the institution — was the anchor and Nickerson sacrificed because he knew it wouldn't affect him, Alirez wasn't getting into West Point.

That’s the modern model.

Now ask the uncomfortable but necessary question:
If Morningstar, Terry, Dennis, or Telford left Iowa tomorrow, would we expect multiple starters or elite recruits to follow? Almost certainly not. And that’s the red flag.

This isn’t an argument that Tom is the problem in the way critics frame it. He’s a great name, a great coach, and he absolutely builds relationships. The real issue is structural: Tom has consistently shown discomfort surrounding himself with assistants who carry independent value, recruiting pull, and athlete loyalty — and he has been unwilling to fix that.

In today’s environment, dynasties are built by assistant-driven connective tissue. Iowa doesn’t lack tradition or leadership. It lacks a staff structure that distributes trust and benefit beyond the head coach. And none have ability to push back because they know their value is highest serving Tom.

Keep Tom if you want — but fix the staff. Because right now, the risk to the program isn’t change.
It’s standing still.

I get your point but naming 3 seniors as guys who would leave isn’t exactly a scary proposition. Love all 3 guys but who knows if they have realistic international aspirations.

Also, recent history shows that any time a new coach is brought in there are going to be just as many if not more guys looking to join them than guys who leave.
 

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Assume I meant they would have left at any time in the program....because they came for Tom.
 

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When Cael Sanderson left Iowa State for Penn State, ISU commits and relationships followed him — David Taylor, Ed Ruth, Andrew and Dylan Alton, and Frank Molinaro all chose Cael over the school.
Although I get your point, you could've listed DT, Varner, and Andrew Long for Cael. His brother Cyler would be a stretch.

Facts:

Ruth was recruited by the previous head coach. Has said in interviews he didn't know who Cael was.

Molinaro was already on the roster, wrestling in 2008 before Cael arrived in 2009.

Alton Twins senior year in HS was 2010. They are from nearby Mill Hall, PA, went to Central Mountain HS, and Cael recruited them to Penn State.

None of these three you mentioned followed Cael from ISU to PSU.
 

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If we hire a top level coach he would likely have recruits follow him.

Tom's issue is he is stuck in the past.. he likes his team every year and we get beat by 70+ points at nattys.

He likes his staff every year and we get beat 70+ points at nattys.

Earlier in his career he made staff moves, now he won't consider it.

At this very moment he probably thinks they will win the NCAAs
 

HerkHawl

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Although I get your point, you could've listed DT, Varner, and Andrew Long for Cael. His brother Cyler would be a stretch.

Facts:
Ruth was recruited by the previous head coach. Has said in interviews he didn't know who Cael was.

Molinaro was already on the roster, wrestling in 2008 before Cael arrived in 2009.

Alton Twins senior year in HS was 2010. They are from nearby Mill Hall, PA, went to Central Mountain HS, and Cael recruited them to Penn State.

None of these three you mentioned followed Cael from ISU to PSU.
You expect me to believe as fact that Ruth wasn’t influenced by the arrival of Cael Sanderson and never heard of him — he was the first undefeated 4x NCAA champ and 2004 Olympic gold medalist. Cael leaving ISU for PSU was the most breaking news in college wrestling. The Altons, top recruits in 2010, weren’t recruited by Cael at ISU in 2008-2009? They were the top recruits in the country and had their pick of any school, yet they chose PSU because it was close to home, even though Cael was still an unproven head coach. Andrew Long clearly followed Cael from ISU to PSU in 2010. Please, Cael’s reputation and relationships were huge factors for PSU's early success. They had the #2 recruiting class in 2010. His first full season in Fun Valley.

I'll concede Molinaro.
 

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If Tom left tomorrow, yes — you could almost guarantee meaningful roster movement. Drake Ayala, Kennedy, and Caliendo are the obvious names. Mocco, the Bachmans, and the Kennys would likely evaluate their options as well. Of course, the next hire would matter, but pretending the risk isn’t real ignores how college wrestling actually works.

There’s also a reason Ybarra, Cruz, Arnold, Estrada, Peterson, and Voinovich are still around. It’s not blind loyalty or denial. They don’t artificially place blame on the coaching staff when things don’t go their way. They’ve taken ownership of their development, accepted lineup reality, and continued to grind. That mindset matters.

By contrast, some of the wrestlers who left — Rathjen, Rhodes, Hill — believed they should have been in the lineup and placed that outcome primarily on the staff. That doesn’t make them wrong or bad wrestlers, but it does reflect a different way of processing adversity. And if we’re being honest, their competitive results elsewhere haven’t supported the idea that coaching was the limiting factor.

At elite programs, athletes follow assistants and relationships, not just head coaches or logos.

When Cael Sanderson left Iowa State for Penn State, ISU commits and relationships followed him — David Taylor, Ed Ruth, Andrew and Dylan Alton, and Frank Molinaro all chose Cael over the school.

When David Taylor later left Penn State (functionally acting as an assistant and RTC pillar), his development gravity went with him, immediately affecting trust and pathways in that room.

When Chris Perry left Oklahoma State, Carroll followed him, again reinforcing that athletes move with the coach they believe in most.

At Northern Colorado, Nickerson didn’t leave until Andrew Alirez was finished, because that relationship — not the institution — was the anchor and Nickerson sacrificed because he knew it wouldn't affect him, Alirez wasn't getting into West Point

That seems to be today's model.

Now ask the uncomfortable but necessary question:
If Morningstar, Terry, Dennis, or Telford left Iowa tomorrow, would we expect multiple starters or elite recruits to follow? Almost certainly not. And that’s the red flag.

This isn’t an argument that Tom is the problem in the way critics frame it. He’s a great name, a great coach, and he absolutely builds relationships. The real issue is structural: Tom has consistently shown discomfort surrounding himself with assistants who carry independent value, recruiting pull, and athlete loyalty — and he has been unwilling to fix that.

In today’s environment, dynasties are built by assistant-driven connective tissue. Iowa doesn’t lack tradition or leadership. It lacks a staff structure that distributes trust and benefit beyond the head coach. And none have ability to push back because they know their value is highest serving Tom.

Keep Tom if you want — but fix the staff. Because right now, the risk to the program isn’t change.
It’s standing still.
I think one of the main points in hiring a new coach would be not to have a roster littered with guys like you just named except in backup roles providing depth. You need National Champions not All Americans.
 
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Throw a great offer to Casey Cunningham, he can't pass up--he is fairly young. I bet we would be way more offense , scoring-minded.

I will sit back and wait for the experts to say, "he will never leave PSU." he has had plenty of chances.
 
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Throw a great offer to Casey Cunningham, he can't pass up--he is fairly young. I bet we would be way more offense , scoring-minded.

I will sit back and wait for the experts to say, "he will never leave PSU." he has had plenty of chance
Throw a great offer to Casey Cunningham, he can't pass up--he is fairly young. I bet we would be way more offense , scoring-minded.

I will sit back and wait for the experts to say, "he will never leave PSU." he has had plenty of chances.
It should be the first call. Make him turn it down.
 
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Throw a great offer to Casey Cunningham, he can't pass up--he is fairly young. I bet we would be way more offense , scoring-minded.

I will sit back and wait for the experts to say, "he will never leave PSU." he has had plenty of chances.
I never quite got the Cunningham thing. He is a great dude, and would improve things, but his strength is being in an assistant role. He is a background guy, and thats his comfort zone. Im not saying he wouldn't leave Penn State, but I think if he did, it would be in a similar role.
 

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"But his strength is being in an assistant role. He is a background guy, and that's his comfort zone. I'm not saying he wouldn't leave Penn State, but I think if he did, it would be in a similar role."

Hard to say, but Cignetti was an assistant for a long time. We dont know how he would perform as head coach--I think it would be worth a conversation
 
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"But his strength is being in an assistant role. He is a background guy, and that's his comfort zone. I'm not saying he wouldn't leave Penn State, but I think if he did, it would be in a similar role."

Hard to say, but Cignetti was an assistant for a long time. We dont know how he would perform as head coach--I think it would be worth a conversation
I think it 100% worth the conversation. They are just a really unique family. Its just the nature of having our kids around the same weight and area since they were kids. You just interact with families alot. They just have a very low key vibe. Hell, his wife is an Olympic gold medalist lol. I just think they like that quiet existence. Just my opinion.
 

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You expect me to believe as fact that Ruth wasn’t influenced by the arrival of Cael Sanderson and never heard of him — he was the first undefeated 4x NCAA champ and 2004 Olympic gold medalist. Cael leaving ISU for PSU was the most breaking news in college wrestling. The Altons, top recruits in 2010, weren’t recruited by Cael at ISU in 2008-2009? They were the top recruits in the country and had their pick of any school, yet they chose PSU because it was close to home, even though Cael was still an unproven head coach. Andrew Long clearly followed Cael from ISU to PSU in 2010. Please, Cael’s reputation and relationships were huge factors for PSU's early success. They had the #2 recruiting class in 2010. His first full season in Fun Valley.

I'll concede Molinaro.
 

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"I think it 100% worth the conversation. They are just a really unique family. It's just the nature of having our kids around the same weight and area since they were kids. You just interact with families a lot. They just have a very low-key vibe. Hell, his wife is an Olympic gold medalist lol. I just think they like that quiet existence. Just my opinion."

You could be spot on....Rumor has it Ok state tried very hard to get him before DT , and he passed.
 
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You expect me to believe as fact that Ruth wasn’t influenced by the arrival of Cael Sanderson and never heard of him — he was the first undefeated 4x NCAA champ and 2004 Olympic gold medalist. Cael leaving ISU for PSU was the most breaking news in college wrestling. The Altons, top recruits in 2010, weren’t recruited by Cael at ISU in 2008-2009? They were the top recruits in the country and had their pick of any school, yet they chose PSU because it was close to home, even though Cael was still an unproven head coach. Andrew Long clearly followed Cael from ISU to PSU in 2010. Please, Cael’s reputation and relationships were huge factors for PSU's early success. They had the #2 recruiting class in 2010. His first full season in Fun Valley.

I'll concede Molinaro.
Belief is a powerful thing. Apparently, it is strong enough to rewrite history.

You appear to be moving the goal post.

I never said Cael was an unproven head coach when he left ISU. Are you?

Ruth didn't commit to Cael and didn't follow him from ISU. (Thanks @mcpat). But you prefer to believe yourself versus what a young man says, who has nothing to gain by saying it.

Alton's town is a 45min drive from Rec Hall. They didn't follow him from ISU. "Andrew and Dylan Alton, twin brothers and standout wrestlers from Central Mountain High School in Pennsylvania, committed to Penn State on April 24, 2009." Cael was hired on April 17, 2009. Signing on first day of early signing period, yes the Altons could've been influenced more to stay near home (like by their parents), but they couldn't have followed him from ISU. Like you said, Cael and everyone who was anyone likely recruited them.

Ruth is from Harrisburg, PA, two hours away from PSU. Look at PSU's top 2010 recruits. All four were PA natives. Remember, PA's fertile wrestling grounds was one of the reasons Cael left ISU for PSU. Could say, Ruth and the Altons helped influence Cael, as much as the other way around.

It's ok to speculate. Just don't assume your version of Ruth's the Altons' reasoning is fact. No real reason to make things up, then double-down. I already indicated I agreed with your point, just not the Cael-PSU take you used to support it.
 
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Belief is a powerful thing. Apparently, it is strong enough to rewrite history.

You appear to be moving the goal post.

I never said Cael was an unproven head coach. Are you?

Ruth didn't commit to Cael and didn't follow him from ISU. (Thanks @mcpat). But you prefer to believe yourself versus what a young man says, who has nothing to gain by saying it.

Alton's town is a 45min drive from Rec Hall. They didn't follow him from ISU. "Andrew and Dylan Alton, twin brothers and standout wrestlers from Central Mountain High School in Pennsylvania, committed to Penn State on April 24, 2009." Cael was hired on April 17, 2009. Signing on first day of early signing period, yes the Altons could've been influenced more to stay near home (like by their parents), but they couldn't have followed him from ISU. Like you said, Cael and everyone who was anyone likely recruited them.

Ruth is from Harrisburg, PA, two hours away from PSU. Look at PSU's top 2010 recruits. All four were PA natives. Remember, PA's fertile wrestling grounds was one of the reasons Cael left ISU for PSU. Could say, Ruth and the Altons helped influence Cael, as much as the other way around.

It's ok to speculate. Just don't assume your version of Ruth's the Altons' reasoning is fact. No real reason to make things up, then double-down. I already indicated I agreed with your point, just not how you supported it.
It wasn't like Penn State didn't have some good teams and individuals before Cael arrived. Without going back too far, they had Jeremy Hunter, Glenn Pritzlaff & Phil Davis. They weren't St. Cloud State prior to Cael's arrival, so yes, they could attract guys like Ed Ruth and the Alton twins without him, especially given they were PA kids.

And yes, aside from his actual wrestling career, ISU won the Big 12 3 times while he was the Head Coach, and 2nd, 3rd and 5th at NCAA's (think that's correct anyway). That's pretty proven to me. The one thing he couldn't do was beat Iowa in a dual, or recruit against them as well as he would have liked in Iowa. (Gable's lineups were Iowa H.S. centric, but has since declined quite a bit obviously, Gable had something to do with Coaching them up as well I'm sure)

My recollection of the only recruits who followed him to PSU from ISU was David Taylor and maybe Matt Brown? The Andrew Long fiasco came later.
 

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It wasn't like Penn State didn't have some good teams and individuals before Cael arrived. Without going back too far, they had Jeremy Hunter, Glenn Pritzlaff & Phil Davis. They weren't St. Cloud State prior to Cael's arrival, so yes, they could attract guys like Ed Ruth and the Alton twins without him, especially given they were PA kids.

And yes, aside from his actual wrestling career, ISU won the Big 12 3 times while he was the Head Coach, and 2nd, 3rd and 5th at NCAA's (think that's correct anyway). That's pretty proven to me. The one thing he couldn't do was beat Iowa in a dual, or recruit against them as well as he would have liked in Iowa. (Gable's lineups were Iowa H.S. centric, but has since declined quite a bit obviously, Gable had something to do with Coaching them up as well I'm sure)

My recollection of the only recruits who followed him to PSU from ISU was David Taylor and maybe Matt Brown? The Andrew Long fiasco came later.
I forgot Matt Brown. Good one. RS at ISU after committing.

For completeness:

I didn’t put a time limit on the following, so I included Long.

And since Varner was still competing internationally with Cael as his coach, I also included him.
 

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24 NCAA titles, The largest attendance in the sport, a new practice facility.

The next coach isn't exactly starting in a hole to dig out of. More people will flock to Iowa City than will leave it.

With NIL and the portal things could happen faster than you can imagine.

Next coach needs to be able to recruit and cherry pick PA, OH and NJ with a high consistency but almost more importantly is the ability to absolutely lockdown any elite kid from a bordering state specifically IL,- I stress IL- and a WI, MN, MO kid that comes along. You do that and the elite of the elite IA kid never leaves. But IA top talent obviously isnt enough- have to own Illinois in recruiting.

Also need a coach friendly with the Askren academy the same as other clubs. There should be zero reason that the elite WI talent like Messenbrink or O'Toole doesn't give Iowa the time of day.
 

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"Also need a coach friendly with the Askren academy the same as other clubs. There should be zero reason that the elite WI talent like Messenbrink or O'Toole doesn't give Iowa the time of day."

Casey Cunningham
Nolf
Keckheisen ( covers AWA)

Thats a good start--Maybe Bill Bassett as HWC coach :)
 
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To piggyback the importance of recruiting Illinois for top end talent. I would imagine Cory Clark would be a great addition on a staff as he has spent a few years coaching and running a club in the state. One would think he has made some good connections that would translate. Plus experience

I for one would welcome him back in a heartbeat. If he can recruit that state and teach how to ride and turn. Its an immediate improvement

From his website:

After finishing his collegiate career, Cory continued to train at a high level with the Iowa Hawkeye Club for three years. During this time, he honed his wrestling technique and developed a deeper understanding of the sport. Ultimately, Clark decided to transition into coaching, aiming to help the next generation of wrestlers reach their full potential. He moved to Illinois, where he spent two years working with athletes to help them improve and compete at the highest levels.

In 2023, Clark saw an opportunity to combine his passion for wrestling and his desire to give back to the sport by opening his own wrestling club. He began the process of establishing his own program, and shortly after, an exciting opportunity arose to coach and start a club at Montini Catholic High School in Lombard, Illinois. In August 2023, Cory Clark Wrestling officially opened its doors, marking a new chapter in his career and his dedication to growing the sport of wrestling through coaching and mentorship.

Clark's focus is on developing well-rounded wrestlers, emphasizing not only technique but also discipline, hard work, and mental toughness. His experience at the highest levels of the sport and his passion for teaching make him an asset to any wrestler who has the opportunity to learn from him.
 

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Throw a great offer to Casey Cunningham, he can't pass up--he is fairly young. I bet we would be way more offense , scoring-minded.

I will sit back and wait for the experts to say, "he will never leave PSU." he has had plenty of chances.
Is Cunningham that influential without Cael? Would people follow him like they did Cael or Tom? I think he fills an important role at PSU but not as valuable elsewhere, If so, why hasn't he left? Same with our assistants, if they bring value then why haven't they tested the waters elsewhere yet? Cass did, Kemerer did, Gilman did, Cliff Moore did, DSJ did, etc. Just spit-balling.
 
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Belief is a powerful thing. Apparently, it is strong enough to rewrite history.

You appear to be moving the goal post.

I never said Cael was an unproven head coach when he left ISU. Are you?

Ruth didn't commit to Cael and didn't follow him from ISU. (Thanks @mcpat). But you prefer to believe yourself versus what a young man says, who has nothing to gain by saying it.

Alton's town is a 45min drive from Rec Hall. They didn't follow him from ISU. "Andrew and Dylan Alton, twin brothers and standout wrestlers from Central Mountain High School in Pennsylvania, committed to Penn State on April 24, 2009." Cael was hired on April 17, 2009. Signing on first day of early signing period, yes the Altons could've been influenced more to stay near home (like by their parents), but they couldn't have followed him from ISU. Like you said, Cael and everyone who was anyone likely recruited them.

Ruth is from Harrisburg, PA, two hours away from PSU. Look at PSU's top 2010 recruits. All four were PA natives. Remember, PA's fertile wrestling grounds was one of the reasons Cael left ISU for PSU. Could say, Ruth and the Altons helped influence Cael, as much as the other way around.

It's ok to speculate. Just don't assume your version of Ruth's the Altons' reasoning is fact. No real reason to make things up, then double-down. I already indicated I agreed with your point, just not the Cael-PSU take you used to supported it.
Don't focus on the word "follow"....they had the choice of any school and, unlike most, you are telling me they were blindly loyal to the school regardless of the coach. The Altons would not go to Maryland if they lived 20 mins from the university.
 
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If Tom left tomorrow, yes — you could almost guarantee meaningful roster movement. Drake Ayala, Kennedy, and Caliendo are the obvious names. Mocco, the Bachmans, and the Kennys would likely evaluate their options as well. Of course, the next hire would matter, but pretending the risk isn’t real ignores how college wrestling actually works.

There’s also a reason Ybarra, Cruz, Arnold, Estrada, Peterson, and Voinovich are still around. It’s not blind loyalty or denial. They don’t artificially place blame on the coaching staff when things don’t go their way. They’ve taken ownership of their development, accepted lineup reality, and continued to grind. That mindset matters.

By contrast, some of the wrestlers who left — Rathjen, Rhodes, Hill — believed they should have been in the lineup and placed that outcome primarily on the staff. That doesn’t make them wrong or bad wrestlers, but it does reflect a different way of processing adversity. And if we’re being honest, their competitive results elsewhere haven’t supported the idea that coaching was the limiting factor.

At elite programs, athletes follow assistants and relationships, not just head coaches or logos.

When Cael Sanderson left Iowa State for Penn State, ISU commits and relationships followed him — David Taylor, Ed Ruth, Andrew and Dylan Alton, and Frank Molinaro all chose Cael over the school.

When David Taylor later left Penn State (functionally acting as an assistant and RTC pillar), his development gravity went with him, immediately affecting trust and pathways in that room.

When Chris Perry left Oklahoma State, Carroll followed him, again reinforcing that athletes move with the coach they believe in most.

At Northern Colorado, Nickerson didn’t leave until Andrew Alirez was finished, because that relationship — not the institution — was the anchor and Nickerson sacrificed because he knew it wouldn't affect him, Alirez wasn't getting into West Point

That seems to be today's model.

Now ask the uncomfortable but necessary question:
If Morningstar, Terry, Dennis, or Telford left Iowa tomorrow, would we expect multiple starters or elite recruits to follow? Almost certainly not. And that’s the red flag.

This isn’t an argument that Tom is the problem in the way critics frame it. He’s a great name, a great coach, and he absolutely builds relationships. The real issue is structural: Tom has consistently shown discomfort surrounding himself with assistants who carry independent value, recruiting pull, and athlete loyalty — and he has been unwilling to fix that.

In today’s environment, dynasties are built by assistant-driven connective tissue. Iowa doesn’t lack tradition or leadership. It lacks a staff structure that distributes trust and benefit beyond the head coach. And none have ability to push back because they know their value is highest serving Tom.

Keep Tom if you want — but fix the staff. Because right now, the risk to the program isn’t change.
It’s standing still.
I’d be interested to see what happens with other possible donors that may not have a connection or don’t see Eye to Eye with our head coach.
 
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My vote in the poll took into account that if we hire a great coach we should keep most of our good recruits and add a couple great ones. F accepting the idea that Iowa can’t do that. It’s a losing mentality to not expect that of the new coach.
 

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Don't focus on the word "follow"....they had the choice of any school and, unlike most, you are telling me they were blindly loyal to the school regardless of the coach. The Altons would not go to Maryland if they lived 20 mins from the university.
You literally wrote "ISU commits and relationships followed him." No matter how you want to reframe it, most you listed did not.

If you watched the Ed Ruth clip, obviously the word 'follow' had no place in any form.

But they didn't, they lived 45min from PSU. You seem to think they would, but only if Cael went to coach there.

When did I speak of blind loyalty? Slush funds were in place in 2010, no? Parents want to be close, no? Yes, I guess loyalty to their parents, now that I reconsidered it.

Anyways, Lehigh, Penn State, Cornell, Ok State or Iowa were all mentioned. But not ISU. Do you know what 'everyone who is anybody' means?

Show me evidence of ISU, or just believe what you want. I don't have any expectations for your beliefs.
 
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Is Cunningham that influential without Cael? Would people follow him like they did Cael or Tom? I think he fills an important role at PSU but not as valuable elsewhere, If so, why hasn't he left? Same with our assistants, if they bring value then why haven't they tested the waters elsewhere yet? Cass did, Kemerer did, Gilman did, Cliff Moore did, DSJ did, etc. Just spit-balling.
By many accounts, Casey is much like Terry. Both love coaching, but don't want to have to deal with all the administrative headaches. You can be invaluable inside the room, but not need to do all the hobnobbing and butt kissing and all the other tedious stuff that truly running a high level DI program entails. Mind you, that is probably even harder at Iowa than everywhere else considering how much bigger their fanbase is than everyone else...
 

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Is Cunningham that influential without Cael? Would people follow him like they did Cael or Tom? I think he fills an important role at PSU but not as valuable elsewhere, If so, why hasn't he left? Same with our assistants, if they bring value then why haven't they tested the waters elsewhere yet? Cass did, Kemerer did, Gilman did, Cliff Moore did, DSJ did, etc. Just spit-balling.
If Iowa hired Casey Cunningham it would be the biggest news in wrestling. He was an NCAA champ. He is constantly seen coaching World Team Members. He's constantly in the coaching box autonomously tossing challenge bricks in NCAA finals. Yet you would have me believe a young elite wrestler today doesn't know who he is? I'll give you a modern day Ed Ruth, but who else?
 
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trufan

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You expect me to believe as fact that Ruth wasn’t influenced by the arrival of Cael Sanderson and never heard of him — he was the first undefeated 4x NCAA champ and 2004 Olympic gold medalist. Cael leaving ISU for PSU was the most breaking news in college wrestling. The Altons, top recruits in 2010, weren’t recruited by Cael at ISU in 2008-2009? They were the top recruits in the country and had their pick of any school, yet they chose PSU because it was close to home, even though Cael was still an unproven head coach. Andrew Long clearly followed Cael from ISU to PSU in 2010. Please, Cael’s reputation and relationships were huge factors for PSU's early success. They had the #2 recruiting class in 2010. His first full season in Fun Valley.

I'll concede Molinaro.
Ruth was recruited and signed by Troy Sunderland.
Wasn't a Sanderson recruited.
 

HerkHawl

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And Cyler followed him too, :)
My vote in the poll took into account that if we hire a great coach we should keep most of our good recruits and add a couple great ones. F accepting the idea that Iowa can’t do that. It’s a losing mentality to not expect that of the new coach.
And that begs the question, name the coach that will retain ad pick up additional recruits? Recruits make tough decisions and base it on the Team and Coaches, take the coach away and add someone different and the deal has changed. Most will explore, if the new coach can keep the recruit, then why didn't he win the recruit first time. Yes, there are answers but. Unless we get the coach that always comes #2 in the decision, oh wait, that's Iowa.
 

HerkHawl

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You literally wrote "ISU commits and relationships followed him." No matter how you want to reframe it, most you listed did not.

If you watched the Ed Ruth clip, obviously the word 'follow' had no place in any form.

But they didn't, they lived 45min from PSU. You seem to think they would, but only if Cael went to coach there.

When did I speak of blind loyalty? Slush funds were in place in 2010, no? Parents want to be close, no? Yes, I guess loyalty to their parents, now that I reconsidered it.

Anyways, Lehigh, Penn State, Cornell, Ok State or Iowa were all mentioned. But not ISU. Do you know what 'everyone who is anybody' means?

Show me evidence of ISU, or just believe what you want. I don't have any expectations for your beliefs.
Relationships matter. Alirez couldn't get into Army so Nickerson coached him out then left. 6 recruits followed Tom from VT to Iowa. Carroll just followed Perry to ISU. Mocco left Iowa and came back to train with Terry for Olympics. You can nit-pick my examples but there are people on this forum who know much more than me and provides dozens of "correct" ones. I am not going to turn this into a debate on my examples. Pretend none were given, do you agree or not with the post. If you don't then you win, my examples are bad. If you do agree, then provide better examples. Tom brought 6 from VT.

Now, let's get back to Ruth not knowing who Cael was when he committed to PSU. Like Cory Clark not knowing who Tom Brands was while he was at VT
 

cookercha

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If Beth G is truly looking for a new coach, for my money it’s Schwab — kids love him and he’s a great coach. Let Doug be in charge, but he would need to bring in strong assistants like Burroughs or Metcalf.

Metcalf is all set to be ISU’s next head coach when Dresser leaves, so get him before that happens.

If there is no Iowa connection for head coach and they decide to go outside Iowa — Burroughs and Dake are the biggest names. However Burroughs has much more influence in the sport and he would make the PSU/Rivalry fun and competitive again.
 

HerkHawl

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Ruth was recruit
Sure, and Cael probably had some idea PSU was in the cards and never recruited him at ISU. Burr the point here is Ruth said he had never heard of Cael, Olympic Gold and 4x, even though Ruth was a very elite wrestler - you don't get that good not following the sport. Dang, who were his HS/cub coaches, former Jr High wrestlers?
 

HerkHawl

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Look, go back and check the tapes, I am the guy who first suggested Tony Robie on this forum.

Post in thread 'New coach or not?' https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/new-coach-or-not.8634326/post-180246991

Look, go back and check the tapes, I am the guy who first suggested Tony Robie on this forum.

Post in thread 'New coach or not?' https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/new-coach-or-not.8634326/post-180246991
Brilliant, and Bassett's get the best of all words!! Actually, nice choice. Brandon Slay, and where o where is Les Gutches!!!
 

HerkHawl

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If Beth G is truly looking for a new coach, for my money it’s Schwab — kids love him and he’s a great coach. Let Doug be in charge, but he would need to bring in strong assistants like Burroughs or Metcalf.

Metcalf is all set to be ISU’s next head coach when Dresser leaves, so get him before that happens.

If there is no Iowa connection for head coach and they decide to go outside Iowa — Burroughs and Dake are the biggest names. However Burroughs has much more influence in the sport and he would make the PSU/Rivalry fun and competitive again.
If money stays the same, Schwab is probably the best choice. If the coaches and Program gets an infusion of cash, it might be a bigger name. Schwab would be a pick all could support and stand behind. He will surround himself with quality (Metcalf, DSJ, Cass, Keik, Kemerer, etc) but not sure that gets you 8 of the top 10 recruits in one class - but we might not lose any recruits or rostered...
 

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<<If Beth G is truly looking for a new coach, for my money it’s Schwab>>

I don't think so,I doubt he can raise $$. I know Rev share is a big thing and that helps, but can he raise $$ for HWC .

Remember when Mark Perry was at Iowa? He said that typically the team with the best club wins nationals. That's certainly the case for PSU. Mark went back to when Ok State was winning titles..they had best club etc. I don't know how true that is, but we HAVE to rebuild our club.
We have Spencer,Desanity, and Buchanan..who looks pretty good.. besides that no one else is going to make a splash.

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