Tiger Woods

[ukalumni00]

Just when you think he may be losing it he has a good performance like he did in Augusta. Then, he plays like he did this week leaving you scratching your head.

I do not know if the guy is finished playing at an elite level or not. He has had periods of time when he struggles, but finds it and wins again. Just do not know if he is in another cycle or if age, the high caliber of players on tour now, other personal matters off the course, etc. have finally caught up to him.

 

[Chuckinden]

It's actually sad to see. Regardless of his personal life or why it's happenced, I hate see someone with all that talent collapse like he has. Nick Faldo mentioned Tiger's stubbornness, among other things, yesterday when asked about his opinion on Tiger.

 

[Ron Mehico]

One of the quickest and weirdest collapses I've ever seen. It would be like Michael Jordan having some gambling/cheating scandal and then never being able to average 20 points a game or make it past the first round of the playoffs ever again. It is really more sad than anything. Will definitely make an interesting 30 for 30 one day.

I personally would love to see him win at least one more major and have a good run, but its looking less and less likely.

 

[Zakk Wyldcat]

He was basically finished as an elite player several years ago; he's just another guy now. I'm convinced he used some sort of PEDs which caused his body to breakdown physically. Combine that with his personal life trials(which clobbered him mentally) and he is what we see now. IMO.

 

[rockhound24_rivals]

He was basically finished as an elite player several years ago; he's just another guy now. I'm convinced he used some sort of PEDs which caused his body to breakdown physically. Combine that with his personal life trials(which clobbered him mentally) and he is what we see now. IMO.

I also have suspected for a few years now that PEDs were in use over the years. I don't know if they are what is causing his body to breakdown now, or were they used to hold it together during this legendary workout years. He is very hard to watch now. I hope he either returns to a respectable player or gives up competitive golf soon. Neither of those options are in his mind though!!

 

[Xception]

It seemed close to inevitable that Tiger would surpass Jack as the best ever but the Golden Bear will most likely remain the greatest ever at 18 major wins . Given the purses of today that drive competition it is hard to imagine one individual setting himself apart enough to surpass Nicklaus .

 

[Boogie Fan]

I feel like we are watching an elite athlete just not have it anymore. Washington Wizards Michael Jordan thinks this is painful to watch. I just wonder if Evil Jack went '72 Dolphins when Elin smashed the back of the Escalade all those years ago?

 

[Raptureme]

I was there with a friend who caddies for Zac Blair who was paired with Tiger.....He told me Tiger was griping about a blister on his left palm all day

Not that it's an excuse but that's what Tiger was telling his playing partner

 

[KyFaninNC]

.He told me Tiger was griping about a blister on his left palm all day

ALways some excuse with him. I am surprised he didn't withdraw due to injury. The greatest golfers of all time kept the same swing all through their careers, Tiger has changed his 4 times now. With age, health and mental issues, Tiger is done.

 

[From-the-stands]

It seemed close to inevitable that Tiger would surpass Jack as the best ever but the Golden Bear will most likely remain the greatest ever at 18 major wins . Given the purses of today that drive competition it is hard to imagine one individual setting himself apart enough to surpass Nicklaus .

Jordan Spieth could make things interesting in the next 2 decades

 

[anthonys735]

Spieth has 1 major. Rory COULD potentially be a threat to 14 but thats a long shot. Lots of great golfers of the years and great current golfers to share the 4 per year.

Also, since 2010 tiger has the second most PGA victories. Perspective.

 

[Raptureme]

The other thing he told me was Tiger is worn out from the fans berating him while he's playing.....He said Tiger hates being called "Eldrick" and I heard it quite a bit out there

 

[cawoodsct]

Needs to call Butch and get back his confidence. It's not as much to do with the swing as it is with his confidence right now. People say he will never do it but i think there is a chance because why continue to flounder like this. Butch would make some very minor changes when he see them but the confidence he gives players is just as key, and especially would be with Tiger. He'd be smart to call Bob Rotella as well and i wouldn't even mind seeing Stevie back on the bag. This is about confidence and a young teacher like Como can bring swing stuff but cannot possibly bring any real confidence besides that.

Never used PED's. Way too much has happened for it not to have come out. Some friend, some trainer, a coach, a caddie, all the women, and then that Dr. being investigated and going through that someone would have said something. I know many of you love to hold on to that but it just didn't happen.

And after Friday's round he hit 7 bags of balls and did have a blister develop for his Saturday round. Now, that's not an excuse because he sucked *** but anyone saying he's lying about the blister is wrong. Said he probably will take a couple days off this week to let it somewhat heal.

 

[Anon1640710541]

I was there with a friend who caddies for Zac Blair who was paired with Tiger.....He told me Tiger was griping about a blister on his left palm all day

this was actually covered by espn as well, just in case anyone else didn't have an inside source.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Rory has 4.5 years on Spieth...if Rory has a shot, then Spieth does as well.

 

[BBdK]

People seriously have no clue how amazing Tiger's run was. I suppose Rory could do it, but no, every young stud who wins a major doesn't have "a shot".

Sorry. Learn Golf.

 

[ukalumni00]

Tiger brought a lot of this on himself, but at the same time its not the fans right or business to yell out obscenities and other crap regarding his name or personal life. Those type of folks have no business on the course and should be removed immediately.

About his play, everyone has a solution. I think he needs to get rid of most in his camp and go back to the basics and just play a lot more tournaments, but others think he needs to go back to Butch or Haney. They may be great coaches but the bad history he has with those two may be more of a deterrent than a solution for him. Haney is a POS who profited off of Woods. He took private conversations and trust with Woods and used it to his advantage to make money. No way I would want that guy in my camp ever again. Butch does not need Woods and I do not think has any interest in helping him. Woods fired him and Butch is at a point now where he is known as the best in the business and does not need Woods to validate him as a top golf instructor.

I think his biggest issue (when he gets on the course) is he thinks way too much. He has become so technically focused on his mechanics and positions in his swing that I think he can't get out of his own way. Anyone who is good at golf or has a great round will tell you they did not think much. They just played. Tiger puts that Driver in his hand and he just turns into a mental mess. It then leads to other parts of his game. If he can ever get passed this "slump" he is in I think he has another run left in him, but its going to be very tough considering the amount of young talent on tour now.

 

[cawoodsct]

People seriously have no clue how amazing Tiger's run was. I suppose Rory could do it, but no, every young stud who wins a major doesn't have "a shot"./QUOTE]

Rory's length is critical which will allow him a way better shot to reach 10 plus than Spieth. I love Spieth and he will or i think he will have 5 or so but length will hold him back from going super, super deep in majors. meaning i don't think he can reach double digits wherever he ends up. If im predicting its 5 or 6.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Tiger had an unbelievable run - but last major was at age 32(?)...if he doesn't hit one again that's leaving a ton of years on the table for the young guns to try and catch up with his overall #.

They have a ton of work to do though.

 

[anthonys735]

Rory also has 4 Majors and better game than Spieth. Jordan will be extremely lucky to even match Rory's current number at 4. I've already said I don't think it happens but if I had to pick one current golfer to catch Tiger, its McIlroy. Easy choice but ain't happening.


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[DSmith21]

This pretty much sums up his post Elin career.

 

[anthonys735]

Tiger has 10 wins, spent a year at #1 and won golfer of the year since 2010. That includes taking about 40% of that time off due to injury. He's struggling as much as he ever has but gain some perspective.

 

[Bill@ModernThirst]

ALways some excuse with him. I am surprised he didn't withdraw due to injury. The greatest golfers of all time kept the same swing all through their careers, Tiger has changed his 4 times now. With age, health and mental issues, Tiger is done.

Nicklaus remade his swing from the ground up in 79. What he didn't do was switch philosophies and teachers like Woods has. He took time off, went to his swing coach (the same one he had his whole career), and said "let's start over." Even when he was remaking his swing, it was based upon the same philosophies and ideas. Woods has had no consistency from his coach. that's a problem.

 

[DSmith21]

Tiger has 10 wins, spent a year at #1 and won golfer of the year since 2010. That includes taking about 40% of that time off due to injury. He's struggling as much as he ever has but gain some perspective.

Zero majors since 2008. Ranked 201st in money earnings last year and currently 173rd in 2015. Lets add that to the record too.

According to Wikipedia, Woods only has 8 wins since his divorce in August of 2010.

 

[anthonys735]

Guess you missed where I said he's struggling but acting like he's been a complete hack since 2010 is inaccurate.

 

[anthonys735]

Amazing to me how little most people actually understand about pro golf. 22 guys have won a major since Tigers last out of 30 attempts. Even at his best, and the best that golf has ever seen, in 11 years(97 Masters to 2008 PGA) Tiger won only 14 of 44 opportunities. Winning on the PGA tour a pretty rare feat for even really good golfers and winning majors is even more rare. Sergio, one of the best golfers of his era has 8 PGA tour wins... lifetime. The same as the limp Woods has since his divorce. The more accurate way to look at it is Tiger set a bar for about 10 years that is really remarkable and likely something we unfortunately won't see again in the sport.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

I don't think Tigers 10-11 year run can/will be matched...he has about a 5 year window to add one or 2 more, maybe he does maybe he doesn't.

Rory has 4 with about a 20 year window left: possible he could win 10/80, but still asking a lot.

Spieth has about a 25 yr opening, but as said before he only has one and has length issues...I could see him approach double digits though.

You never know about injuries, other up and comers, late bloomers etc, so It does make Tigers run maybe even that much more impressive.

 

[DSmith21]

Guess you missed where I said he's struggling but acting like he's been a complete hack since 2010 is inaccurate.

I never said that he was a hack. I just posted what I found to be a funny newspaper headline and you got your knickers in a bunch. Tiger is still one of the best 100-200 players in the world. He is just nowhere near what he was in his prime (before the divorce and numerous injuries).

 

[anthonys735]

"This pretty much sums up Tiger since the divorce. Article:Tiger goes limp." <---- Your words exactly.

Since the divorce he has 10 wins. 2nd only to 1 player in the world. So, no it's not me just getting my panties in a wad, it's a fact. He's done more in his worst 5.5 years than 99% of all golfers that have ever been on tour. His a train wreck this season, no doubt, but again its perspective. He's not done for good.

You just get sucked into media blowhards and don't understand golf.

 

[DSmith21]

"This pretty much sums up Tiger since the divorce. Article:Tiger goes limp." <---- Your words exactly.

Since the divorce he has 10 wins. 2nd only to 1 player in the world. So, no it's not me just getting my panties in a wad, it's a fact. He's done more in his worst 5.5 years than 99% of all golfers that have ever been on tour. His a train wreck this season, no doubt, but again its perspective. He's not done for good.

You just get sucked into media blowhards and don't understand golf.

Learn humor.

 

[anthonys735]

Where were you joking?

 

[gamecockcat]

Tiger needs to fix Tiger. No more swing gurus. No more overthinking every GD shot. Go the range, forget everything all the various coaches have taught about swinging (swing planes, hand position at top of backswing, etc.) and re-learn how you need to hit the ball. He's got the physical tools still but needs to get out of his own way (and head). Or, he can keep futilely searching for the 'perfect' swing and never be relevant again.

 

[DSmith21]

Where were you joking?

If you can't figure out that my original post was supposed to be humorous, then I can't help you.

 

[anthonys735]

Are you laughing because they said the word "limp?"

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[anthonys735]

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[DSmith21]

Are you laughing because they said the word "limp?"

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You win the prize.

 

[BBdK]

Classy, DSmith.

Got any N bombs for us? Just as offensive.


Mods: Please ban.

 

[DSmith21]

Its from a movie (Tropic Thunder), you must not get out much there Mr. P.C. police. Do you also write complaints to the station manager when Blazing Saddles or other Mel Brooks comedies are aired?

 

[ukalumni00]

Tiger needs to fix Tiger. No more swing gurus. No more overthinking every GD shot. Go the range, forget everything all the various coaches have taught about swinging (swing planes, hand position at top of backswing, etc.) and re-learn how you need to hit the ball. He's got the physical tools still but needs to get out of his own way (and head). Or, he can keep futilely searching for the 'perfect' swing and never be relevant again.

Agree and would stretch it further and say he needs to get away from the range and practice and play entirely on the course. Everyone says he is a champ on the range. His problems all start when he arrives at the tee box. I really think its a mental issue with him right now and he just needs to get into the line of fire all of the time (tournaments and practice rounds), ditch the long range sessions with someone constantly in his ear or taking videos of his swings and dissecting them to the core, and just play golf. Ego aside, become like the others on tour who play a lot and re-learn how to win again.

Tiger is arguably the greatest golfer of all time. We all know he can play and is a winner. However, he is human like everyone else and Golf will humble everyone no matter what your skill level is. At some point no matter how good you are you have to get back to basics and that is what Tiger needs to do. Jack and others are saying the same thing so there has to be some validity to it, but Tiger is extremely stubborn and he is going to do it his way which (frankly) he has shown has worked for him in the past. The biggest question he has to ask himself is if his body and age will allow him to go through this process one more time to setup one last run to break Jack's record.

 

[BBdK]

I'm out all the time, which is why I'm not sitting at home like a loser watching Cheesy B movies like Tropic Thunder.

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