Today is Jimmy Page's birthday.
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In my opinion three of their best. Saw Page and Plant in Cleveland twice in the mid 90's. Pretty awesome, as close to seeing Zeppelin as I've ever get.
In the Light
Ten Years Gone
In my opinion three of their best. Saw Page and Plant in Cleveland twice in the mid 90's. Pretty awesome, as close to seeing Zeppelin as I've ever get.
I bet he's celebrating drunk. Just a hunch.
Oh, 'Since I've Been Loving You' Is a true signature LZ song.
Oh, 'Since I've Been Loving You' Is a true signature LZ song.
Happy Birthday Jimmy. The greatest guitarist that has ever lived.
Only a non-guitar player/non-musician (or a very poor one) would cite a Rolling Stone greatest list.
I like Jimi a lot. It is not his birthday.
I was confused why kooky was wishing him a happy birthday.
I'm unsure of birthdays, but very sure of the best guitar player who ever lived.
Don't need a Rolling Stone list. My ears tell me Jimi is the best rock guitarist of all time. Nothing against Jimmy tho. I do think about an alternative universe where John Paul Jones is the lead guitarist for Led Zeppelin instead of the bassist (yeah, he's that good on guitar).
Only if the list in Rolling Stone were compiled by guitar players...[eyeroll]
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-20111123
The voters of cited list play guitar better than you masturbate.
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You do understand that people have different opinions? This is not mathematical. There is no correct answer. You like James Marshall....I like James Patrick.
How do you know how well I play or masturbate. Maybe I do both at the same time. And if so, what does that mean?
I don't know the criteria for this list, but it doesn't appear to be playing ability. I'm guessing influence had a great deal of weight. A lot of the names on this list introduced some new dimension or sound that was influential, but they had no great playing ability. Especially considering the extremely talented, technically accomplished, knowledgeable, and passionately expressive players not on the list. Keith Richards at #4? B.B. King at #6, Chuck Berry at #7, ...? Huge influences, yes. World class great players, No. IMO, of course.
It's impossible to accurately pick a top 100 greatest list anyway. The question is to general and people tend to master different styles. BTW, I love Page's studio work and he was a personal influence, but he's one of the sloppiest players on the planet live, IMO.
Studio genius, Jimmy Page in concert was a hot mess.
Mark Knopfler is #46?
Bruce/The Edge on the list at all?
If Stevie Ray Vaughn isn't in top 3, the List is stupid... Agreed.
But in the context of the argument, it was posed that Jimi was better than Jimmy (which is more than a valid argument). Then that was responded to that Jimmy was better and it wasn't close.
Then the list was brought up just to bolster the posed opinion... That is all.
How you personally jerk off has everything to do with the argument. It is how YOU like it, how You like to hear the guitar.
<~~~~ hot take: Stephen Stills is/was a top 10 guitarist.
Page was very influential on later generations and a solid guitarist from a technical perspective.
He did "borrow" a lot of other music to create most of Zep's content, though. Blues standards, traditional music, even took Stairway to Heaven from a band they were touring with. It's why many people call LZ the greatest cover band of all time.
Don't get me wrong, I've always been a fan of LZ. I just think Page is the definition of "overrated". Had tremendous influence because of the music he crafted.....could not even get close to matching many other guitarist's technical abilities, past or present.....and that really isn't debatable.
He did "borrow" a lot of other music to create most of Zep's content, though. Blues standards, traditional music, even took Stairway to Heaven from a band they were touring with. It's why many people call LZ the greatest cover band of all time.
Don't get me wrong, I've always been a fan of LZ. I just think Page is the definition of "overrated". Had tremendous influence because of the music he crafted.....could not even get close to matching many other guitarist's technical abilities, past or present.....and that really isn't debatable.
I'll take a guitarist who can play something interesting over a technical wizard any day.
Jimmy Page vs Joe Satriani, for example?
Page every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Would I take LZ's catalog over Satriani's? Of course I would.
To say that Satchmo isn't "interesting" is ludicrous, though. In fact, I'd argue that Satriani's music is more interesting and complex, based on my definition of the word. It might not be as generally accessible or inclusive as LZ's but that doesn't make it uninteresting.
LZ's music is better, IMO, without a question. But I think Page himself would admit Satchmo is a far better guitarist, which was my point.
To say that Satchmo isn't "interesting" is ludicrous, though. In fact, I'd argue that Satriani's music is more interesting and complex, based on my definition of the word. It might not be as generally accessible or inclusive as LZ's but that doesn't make it uninteresting.
LZ's music is better, IMO, without a question. But I think Page himself would admit Satchmo is a far better guitarist, which was my point.
"Complex" is not necessarily better; you're missing my point. Melody matters.
IIRC Clapton once said "if you can't hum the guitar solo its no good".
This where Satch, Vai, Malmsteen et al miss the mark. Talented, for sure. But better, more influential than Page? No way.
Fretboard gymnastics just dont grab me, or most people, the way a good emotional melody does.
I did not miss your point at all...you are putting words in my mouth. I was essentially agreeing with you that Page / LZ created much better music....but saying Satriani is not interesting is foolish. I didn't say Satriani was more influential and I also didn't say complex was better. I said he was a better guitarist, technically better, which I believe was clear. There is not a debate from a technical perspective.
Taking factors like songwriting ability, overall influence, etc... in addition to technical ability of course yields a much different list than just factoring in technical ability. Using the all encompassing criteria, I think Page is overrated due to his heavy use of other people's music in his songwriting and the general perception that he was much more technically skilled than he actually was. Everybody covers songs and writes music based on their own influences....but Page abused that IMO and in some cases, outright stole from people.
Still love LZ's music, though...even though I've tired on it over the years from excessive consumption and taste evolution. LZIII I can still pull out whenever.
Taking factors like songwriting ability, overall influence, etc... in addition to technical ability of course yields a much different list than just factoring in technical ability. Using the all encompassing criteria, I think Page is overrated due to his heavy use of other people's music in his songwriting and the general perception that he was much more technically skilled than he actually was. Everybody covers songs and writes music based on their own influences....but Page abused that IMO and in some cases, outright stole from people.
Still love LZ's music, though...even though I've tired on it over the years from excessive consumption and taste evolution. LZIII I can still pull out whenever.
I agree with you, but in Page's case it was a little deeper than just reformulating standard chord progressions. Never provided songwriting credits for many blatant re-hashes they did, and like I mentioned, stole melodies from people thinking he could get away with it.
Not trying to berate Page, **** like that happens all the time but it doesn't make it right or ok. Just like to bring in a bit of perspective into these discussions as Page is looked at as an infallible god by many. I just disagree with it.
Not trying to berate Page, **** like that happens all the time but it doesn't make it right or ok. Just like to bring in a bit of perspective into these discussions as Page is looked at as an infallible god by many. I just disagree with it.
**Jimmy Page in concert was a hot mess.**
Sometimes - yeah - mostly after about 1976 or so though
He was a sloppy player at times later on and the heroin didn't help
But he's played plenty of -live-wire- licks and had plenty of great nights performing
I've played for almost 30 years and have been in all kinds of bands / studios
Page is definitely to be admired as a producer but LZ was always a 'live band' first
His improvisation was underrated i think as well
best rock guitarist in the world just turned 16. She's been the most technically perfect rock guitarist on the planet since before she was 14. The think I envy about Tina S. the most is her ability to look bored at the most complicated times. Jimmy Page is a wet noodle. Happy b-day, Jim. and behold . . .