Tom, your thoughts?
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On whether Francis Marion was a hero or a ruthless insurgent?
That’s why most people (not me big bro is one) HATES lawyers
This is funny bro lol but I’ll need to google if you won’t cliff it 4 me
Can I ask you a couple of questions?
After barely graduating from PSU, what did you do for a living that made you relatively wealthy and allows you to enjoy life?
Is Harry as successful as you?
i worked hard (electrician/wireless construction boss) and spent little, no debt including mortgage since 2012, so relaxing leaving below our means
moms wife is/was wildly successful career wise (we married with $350 at 23yo) still crazy hot (and crazy)
harry had a VERY successful corporate career and still has the best hair off any man I called Friend. I’d guess he has more $ than me and carries a 12 hdcp. His fam is A+
my advice to young people is simple:
don’t go into debt for undergrad
dont study French lit
don’t partner with a lover you have to drag thru life
only regret i have is moms isn’t a car guy and I had to negotiate my asss off for my M2, which I love with my whole heart
questions?
moms wife is/was wildly successful career wise (we married with $350 at 23yo) still crazy hot (and crazy)
harry had a VERY successful corporate career and still has the best hair off any man I called Friend. I’d guess he has more $ than me and carries a 12 hdcp. His fam is A+
my advice to young people is simple:
don’t go into debt for undergrad
dont study French lit
don’t partner with a lover you have to drag thru life
only regret i have is moms isn’t a car guy and I had to negotiate my asss off for my M2, which I love with my whole heart
questions?
LOL, now that's a great question!
And like many questions about actions, the answer depends on which side of the dispute you're standing on.
To the British and their loyalist supporters, he was an insurgent, and one that was a real thorn in their side.
To the patriots/Americans, he was an absolute hero.
There were varying degrees of partisan conflict in each of the 13 colonies/states during the American Revolution. In many cases, it was neighbors against neighbors, and didn't involve either the Continental Lines (the US Army) or the British forces (a combination of English soldiers, foreign affiliates, or loyalists that served in units that were lead by British soldiers). You can get into some extended debates about which state saw the most partisan conflict. Most historians will agree that South Carolina and New Jersey probably had the most partisan conflict, though some dispute that, and I've witnessed some pretty impassioned arguments as to why SC or why NJ had the most partisan conflict.
Marion is interesting on multiple levels, and it's tempting to just sit back and spend the next 15-30 minutes writing about him. But, I'll save you that, or postpone it for another day.
So returning to your question, IMHO, he was an absolute hero.
As I reread your question, I’ll add if I didn’t meet moms senior year i would have joined my big brother in San Diego, fronted a punk band, surfed every day and bartended.
crazy how schit goes amirite?
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I very much enjoyed John Oller's book The Swamp Fox. I was not yet in my teens when the Disney miniseries began and I was hooked.
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Honestly, what moms gifted me was 2 perfect sons, 2 got engaged Friday to a perfect girl from a perfect Philly family, I’m drunk on Guinness and happinessLife #2 could have been equally lucrative
im guessing option 2 would have ended 20 years ago (drowning/stabbing/prison) (jk)
Rick might know Francis Marion Campbell, the Eagle .
Sorry, there is no such thing as a perfect girl from Philly. All Philly girls have some psycho in them.
That’s super gay that movie lol. 2 weeks were off to a wedding in Mexico (yo, they are DUDES)
Are you dosing up moms like they did MrT on the A Team to get her on the plane . I didn’t think she wanted y’all to go .
I met CJF several times in the first several years he was coach. At that point, he would recognize me, and we shared a few jokes. I even gave him grief for being, like @LionJim, a Neshaminy alum. However, between Covid-19 and other things in life, my trips to PSU have been pretty limited in recent years. I saw CJF from afar (the stands, across the street, etc.) during those trips, but I can't even recall the last time we actually chatted. I do have a lot of friends and sources that would pass things along to me about CJF, but I don't think I could, at this time, say that I know him personally. I'd probably have given a different answer if you asked during the first few years he was at PSU.
As for his next steps, I have no idea. My guess is that he's pretty shocked by the turn of events. And while he's famous for having plans for any contingency, I'm not sure how much he planned for this possibility.
Turning to the bigger picture, I am not a fan of colleges making a change in the middle of a season. It may be old school, but I think you play with what you entered the season with, and then re-assess at the end of each season. From an educational perspective (which colleges still are, regardless of how much NIL $$ are out there), there is something to be offered showing the athletes that you complete that which you sign up for (a season). I will also admit that the last three games were a real kick to the gut. The Oregon game could have gone either way, and may well have gone PSU's way if they had changed tactics earlier in the game. That loss, while frustrating, wasn't that big of a deal, in terms of the playoffs, as PSU still had a legitimate path to the playoffs. The UCLA game was a shocker, though in many ways PSU ran into a perfect storm, with the UCLA coaching changes meaning PSU was preparing for a team whose tendencies and even game plans meant little for the actual game. The UCLA loss made the playoffs a stretch, but still not an impossibility. I think most fans expected PSU to bounce back against NW. When they instead struggled, especially in the 2nd half, and lost the game in the way that they did, I wasn't surprised by the way that many fans reacted. i still didn't expect PSU to make a coaching change, but today they surprised me, and did just that.
10 months ago I was debating going to Miami for the semifinal game. With many key players from that team returning, I don't think anybody projected the turn to where we are today. I feel bad for CJF and his family, as I liked them as people, and felt that CJF did a great job representing PSU, and maintaining many of the standards, both on and off the field, that PSU alums and fans take pride in. I'm somewhat cautious, by nature, in making big changes, and in that context I do worry that this action will hurt PSU with the 2026 and 2027 recruiting classes, which to a large extent determines how PSU will do a few years down the road.
Where Pat Kraft and the administration will go from here is a mystery to me. Only time will tell if the coaching change also changes the trajectory of this season, though Allar's injury would have made that a challenge even if no coaching change was made. As for who will replace CJF, I have no idea. We can only hope that PSU's administrators make a wise choice, and that alums and fans will have reason to continue to be proud of PSU's tradition, as well as its success -- assuming the next coach guides the team to success. PSU is one of the elite programs in the country. It doesn't have the most NIL $$, and State College isn't for everyone. But PSU should, with perhaps only a small hiccup, be able to be fighting for national titles for years to come, provided a good hire is made. The commitment is there from the administration, which makes a huge difference.
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It is an excellent read. There are few things in it that some historians dispute, but he captured the Swamp Fox rather well, I thought, and did a nice job detailing his actions, both successful and not.
Huh? Marion Campbell grew up in South Carolina.
I was just fuvvckingwith my homophobic bro moogy. No way moms is going to Mexico. do you believe/remember everything i write on here?
yo we should do lancaster cars n coffee toy tot run. What’s your wife drive, the M8 won’t cut it
@Tom McAndrew , where did you learn to dislike Neshaminy?
I learned it at a young age as a Pennsbury Falcon.
I have a reasonably good memory . M8 is what an M2 hopes to grow up to be. I can cut a check for pretty much anything .I was just fuvvckingwith my homophobic bro moogy. No way moms is going to Mexico. do you believe/remember everything i write on here?
yo we should do lancaster cars n coffee toy tot run. What’s your wife drive, the M8 won’t cut it
So get some play stations and let’s do this. I’d let you drive the 2 but youd back it into pole cause it doesn’t have your sissy nanniesI have a reasonably good memory . M8 is what an M2 hopes to grow up to be. I can cut a check for pretty much anything .
You buy a gt3 I’ll kiss the ring but til then YAWN (new, from a p car dealer)I have a reasonably good memory . M8 is what an M2 hopes to grow up to be. I can cut a check for pretty much anything .
Boss, must Be a diff dude. The Philly guy was the Campbells soup heir .
Maybe I’ll get a price on Allars touring. He might be moving on .
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A good question, and one that has been asked several times before.
I've shared many times that I'm somewhat of a private person, which doesn't always lend itself to a large message board community. I'm pretty guarded about what info I disclose about myself and my family, and will leave it at that.
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Let’s nip this in the bud before you start obsessing like moogy. “Moms” is a nickname that is all and it’s just between us, and now moogy