Toys R Us filing bankruptcy.

Jeff Drummond

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Sad. Just going and browsing a toy store when you were little was a blast. Everything about being a kid the last 20 years or so must suck profusely.
 

UKserialkiller

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I just don't see how you f*** up a guaranteed money making model like kids and toys. We running out of kids around here?
 

Ron Mehico

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Man as a father of a seven month old I'm pretty disappointed to hear it. One reason we just got a 500 dollar gift card there and because it was by my house and easy to pick a little toy from time to time.
 

Laparkafan

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Yup heard the stores aren't closing just filing bankruptcy b/c of $5 billion debt.
 

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I just don't see how you f*** up a guaranteed money making model like kids and toys. We running out of kids around here?

Online ordering.

Parents wanting to keep kids out of those stores.

Places like GameStop with real gamers employed to help.
 

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Online ordering.

Parents wanting to keep kids out of those stores.

Places like GameStop with real gamers employed to help.

Seriously? Why would parents want to keep their kids out of the store? Part of the beauty of going to Toys R Us is only to get your *** busted by your parents for crying over a goddamn Go-bot.

Here's my advice. Two bona fide tips to better success. 1. Better marketing 2. Get better f***** toys.

This news pisses me off. I loved that place
 

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No issue about e-commerce. Has everything to do with spending more than you're taking in. Only the government can do that. It seems many businesses follow that poor poor example...
 

jedwar

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When the Ben Franklin 5 & 10 in Horse Cave closed it was a truly sad time. Now my kids know how I felt.
 

CrittendenWildcat

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Toys r Us was taken private in a leveraged buy out in 2005, basically purchased entirely with borrowed money. That put the company behind the 8-ball, having to make 300-400 million dollar debt payments every year out of it's income, which doesn't allow for re-investment. Hard to weather a storm when you've put the ship in such dire straits already.
 

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When the Ben Franklin 5 & 10 in Horse Cave closed it was a truly sad time. Now my kids know how I felt.

I think I remember that store from my childhood. From memory, it was just across the street from a cave entrance in downtown Horse Cave, which at the time was fenced off, had no access, etc. Is that correct?
 

jedwar

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I think I remember that store from my childhood. From memory, it was just across the street from a cave entrance in downtown Horse Cave, which at the time was fenced off, had no access, etc. Is that correct?
Yep that's it. And probably smelled like a sewer. In the summer time it was really bad.
 

Big Blue Blair

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Yep that's it. And probably smelled like a sewer. In the summer time it was really bad.

Yeah, I remember it smelling pretty foul. I grew up mostly in Louisville, but my parents were from the area and my older siblings grew up in Horse Cave. Spent most of my summer weekends around there, Cave City, Munfordville, Bonnieville, etc.
 

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Yeah, I remember it smelling pretty foul. I grew up mostly in Louisville, but my parents were from the area and my older siblings grew up in Horse Cave. Spent most of my summer weekends around there, Cave City, Munfordville, Bonnieville, etc.
Very nice. I frequent all daily (Munfordville and Bonnieville) or weekly (Horse Cave and Cave City). Grew up here. Left for a while. Came back. Will be here till I expire.
 

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Kids today just want video games, a cell phone and some moral outrage.

 
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Seriously? Why would parents want to keep their kids out of the store? Part of the beauty of going to Toys R Us is only to get your *** busted by your parents for crying over a goddamn Go-bot.

Here's my advice. Two bona fide tips to better success. 1. Better marketing 2. Get better f***** toys.

This news pisses me off. I loved that place

My kids love going to the toy store and I enjoy it as well. It's a lot of fun. Browsing Amazon on an iPad doesn't compare.
 

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I am a bit surprised that ToysRUs couldn't use this in-house shopping experience to their advantage. As far as retail goes, I always thought they were one of the more untouchable chains, even if they needed to make some changes (Store's too big, too much of a warehouse feel, ditch the baby content[or spin it off]).

I'm in this line of business but on a deeper level, so I enjoy talking retail and ecommerce. Kohl's apparently announced they will return Amazon orders and Amazon will sell it's smart products there.

Home Depot and Lowe's appear to be the best situated for the long haul, but who knows when someone will disrupt them.
 

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Seriously? Why would parents want to keep their kids out of the store? Part of the beauty of going to Toys R Us is only to get your *** busted by your parents for crying over a goddamn Go-bot.

Here's my advice. Two bona fide tips to better success. 1. Better marketing 2. Get better f***** toys.

This news pisses me off. I loved that place

This has nothing to do with the toys available. It's a pain for parents to go to stores with kids as they are organized. Much easier and cheaper to buy junk on-line for just about everyone. This has everything to do with an antiquated business model where the stores and customer focus strategies haven't changed since 1983. Add to that the sh*t tons of debt the parent companies assumed when converting to a private organization.
 

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This has nothing to do with the toys available. It's a pain for parents to go to stores with kids as they are organized. Much easier and cheaper to buy junk on-line for just about everyone. This has everything to do with an antiquated business model where the stores and customer focus strategies haven't changed since 1983. Add to that the sh*t tons of debt the parent companies assumed when converting to a private organization.

Sounds like you are against toy stores, Mime. Are you racist?
 

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Without getting into details, My employer works in conjunction with retailers. So we generally have our easrs to the street when it comes to big box stores, commerce trends, Amazon, etc.

What's most amazing is the percentage of retail that's Ecommerce.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/ecommerce_sales_as_percent_retail_sales

Now that number varies a bit, and I think it's gone up a few points by EOY 2017.. but tell me that doesn't blow your mind.
 

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How do you compete with Amazon offering 50,000 results for "Action Figure"? How can we get packages to the person faster? How can we do it for cheaper? How can we leverage our current stores? Branding, Shipping, Logistics, Customer Support.. big factors facing a lot of these chains.

I got a shirt on J. Crew yesterday that was 40% off and had a $25-off coupon in the mail. But the shipping was free ONLY if you order $150 (most stores do $50 minimum). I almost bailed on the order on principle alone.
 

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How do you compete with Amazon offering 50,000 results for "Action Figure"? How can we get packages to the person faster? How can we do it for cheaper? How can we leverage our current stores? Branding, Shipping, Logistics, Customer Support.. big factors facing a lot of these chains.

I got a shirt on J. Crew yesterday that was 40% off and had a $25-off coupon in the mail. But the shipping was free ONLY if you order $150 (most stores do $50 minimum). I almost bailed on the order on principle alone.
The obvious answer is, how does Amazon do it? They've figured it out, so everybody else needs to figure it out to compete. And they need to figure out how to do it better and cheaper. Easier said than done, of course.

I'm a Prime member, and I'm pretty hooked on the benefits. But what concerns me is Amazon doesn't so much offer sales as they match the sales prices of competitors. If I can, I want to reward the competitor who actually lowered the price, not the reactionary business who only lowered the price because they had to in order to compete. And what happens when the competition no longer exists? Is Amazon still going to benevolently keep prices low? Of course not, they are going to charge whatever the market will bear. They are a business with a profit motive, they won't keep their margins razor-thin forever.

That's a common refrain from us bargain hunters: "Shipping kills the deal." We don't want to pay for anything. I often search for coupon codes before I place orders, just to make sure I'm not missing out on percent off/free shipping/etc. deals that may happen to be floating around.

Odd when you think about how everything old is new again, we are going back to the early 1900's model of ordering merchandise from a catalog, just now the catalog is on a computer/tablet/smartphone screen and virtually endless. Also, with the advent of e-mail, there were predictions of the demise of USPS, but now they are a vital part of the retail shopping infrastructure, providing "last mile" delivery service, and even Sunday delivery for Amazon.

Remember Service Merchandise? Even though Service Merchandise went out of business about 25 years ago, I think that retail business model would fit very well with today's online ordering. You wouldn't even need a showroom, just a storefront and a warehouse of merchandise behind, with a conveyor belt in between. Order online, ready for pick it up in ~15 minutes, no wait, no shipping charges.
 

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Kids today just want video games, a cell phone and some moral outrage.


Pretty bold to blame a company's bankruptcy on kids instead of the adults who mismanaged the funds and made poor decisions.

But people have been doing that with the country now for several years, so go right ahead.
 

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Pretty bold to blame a company's bankruptcy on kids instead of the adults who mismanaged the funds and made poor decisions.

But people have been doing that with the country now for several years, so go right ahead.

I don't know how you got that out of what I wrote.
 

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Seriously? Why would parents want to keep their kids out of the store? Part of the beauty of going to Toys R Us is only to get your *** busted by your parents for crying over

Parents that can't say no apparently. Half the parents I know hate taking their kids anywhere. Of course their kids are glued to an iPad if not in school or outside.

Just a different world right now than when I grew up. I loved get a hot wheel or a GI Joe at the store, and that sucker kicked everyone's *** for at least a week!

Now days board games are on the apps, hand held toys aren't a thing, and amazon absolutely hurts a toys r us.

Of course that debt thing on the buyout does too! My goodness! But margins in toys and gaming is very high too.
 

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The obvious answer is, how does Amazon do it? They've figured it out, so everybody else needs to figure it out to compete. And they need to figure out how to do it better and cheaper. Easier said than done, of course.

I'm a Prime member, and I'm pretty hooked on the benefits. But what concerns me is Amazon doesn't so much offer sales as they match the sales prices of competitors. If I can, I want to reward the competitor who actually lowered the price, not the reactionary business who only lowered the price because they had to in order to compete. And what happens when the competition no longer exists? Is Amazon still going to benevolently keep prices low? Of course not, they are going to charge whatever the market will bear. They are a business with a profit motive, they won't keep their margins razor-thin forever.

That's a common refrain from us bargain hunters: "Shipping kills the deal." We don't want to pay for anything. I often search for coupon codes before I place orders, just to make sure I'm not missing out on percent off/free shipping/etc. deals that may happen to be floating around.

Odd when you think about how everything old is new again, we are going back to the early 1900's model of ordering merchandise from a catalog, just now the catalog is on a computer/tablet/smartphone screen and virtually endless. Also, with the advent of e-mail, there were predictions of the demise of USPS, but now they are a vital part of the retail shopping infrastructure, providing "last mile" delivery service, and even Sunday delivery for Amazon.

Remember Service Merchandise? Even though Service Merchandise went out of business about 25 years ago, I think that retail business model would fit very well with today's online ordering. You wouldn't even need a showroom, just a storefront and a warehouse of merchandise behind, with a conveyor belt in between. Order online, ready for pick it up in ~15 minutes, no wait, no shipping charges.

Amazon's biggest factor, from my own view and many in the industry, is simply volume/branding. It's hard to go anywhere else come Christmas time, for every single person in your family. The story goes that Amazon got it's name with the idea of starting small and then continually branching out in other areas, covering more ground until a single stream turned into hundreds. Amazon started with media and went from there.



It's hard to say who I would give my business to. By nature, Amazon is the enemy, so if I can buy the same good (or a similar good) from a smaller retailer, I will.
 

LineSkiCat14

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Get online or get left behind. While it's not a simple practice, it's that simple of how to survive if you're a retailer.