We're no longer climbing.
We're free-falling.
AAC, here we come. Maybe the MAC if we continue to play like today.
We're free-falling.
AAC, here we come. Maybe the MAC if we continue to play like today.
Trust the climb?
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It is worse than that. The Big-12 is expanding and there is no Big Dog to fill Oklahoma's shoes. That means someone has to step up or be stepped on. WVU was in the right place when this happened in 2003 with Rich. This time, we have Kansas to hold our hand and ask others to respect our safe spaces.
We are definitely on a decline and not a climb. Neal Brown should have the hottest seat in the country right now.
Maryland is pretty bad. You really think we can defeat other schools like VT and anyone other than Kansas this year with the terrible QB play?
I do not think we have more than 2 wins in us and if Kansas gets us on the right day, maybe not even that one. If Leddie Brown gets hurt, we have zilch. It is a terrible thing to hope for a poor season but Brown will not be forced unless the masses scream for it and it will take a 1 or 2 win season to make that happen. His buyout is steep at 8.1 million, but it will cost double that to keep him through 2026. Better to cut him lose with a bankroll and move on.
At least Holgorsen had a competent QB each year. Brown is having trouble with transfers, even with the portal being a new thing and free to go out and grab one.
Where are the Brown champions now?
WVU is a shell of what the previous staff brought to the table at the worst possible time.
But hey- anyone can step in and immediately do better right?
WVU is a shell of what the previous staff brought to the table at the worst possible time.
But hey- anyone can step in and immediately do better right?
Doesnt matter what Holgerson does now, he doesnt coach WVU- but Brown is one of the worst coaches in WVU history while DH brought the second most wins in WVU history so go f…… yourself loser *****.
You should be apologizing to the board for pushing Mr 5 wins a season troll.
Brown choosing Daygay over Kendall was obviously very bad talent evaluation. I would've transferred too. I guess Daygays beard won the staff over this offseason after his truly embarrassing Liberty Bowl performance. Most improved player on the team? Right lol.
Bad Coaching. Bad Game Plan. Bad Offensive Philosophy. It's maybe Mediocre at Best.
Remember we ran off a 8-9 win guy for a Coach who does the little things right.
Remember we ran off a 8-9 win guy for a Coach who does the little things right.
Never were climbing.
Went from 8 wins and mere pts away from playing for a BIG 12 CCG to 5 win seasons.
We haven't been anything since that night in 2007. Since that time we have hired three ambitious, smart, sometimes brilliant men, that could not stay the course. They were either too old, too undisciplined or too inexperienced for the job. A confederacy of failures.
I hated Rich the moment I saw his smug face on the television, but I liked his teams. I liked that he was n SOB to the team and treated them like worthless scrubs day in and day out. He made them into players and that was his job. But, in the end he was too oversexed and egotistical to be of any more use to WVU. Nehlen was WVU's heyday for a great guy that was a great coach, but they don't make those any more.
Now people moan that we can't afford to not send Brown packing, we can't afford not too. This is bad timing to have a coach that needs on the job training. Brown cannot recognize talent, cannot develop it and until something happened with his recruits, he can't do that either no matter their "ranking" of the recent class.
Brown has been dismal so far. Still had time remaining so dont know why the AD extended him - Perhaps he was feeling UT/OU leaving, but if so wouldnt you want a winner for realignment time?
Adding years though means he gets to keep doing this. Havent seen any adjustment- same old same old with Brown so far. If WVU has another losing season though then what?
I dont like long extensions. A coach will be lousy but over 6 years has a great season then it's hard to fire him with a hefty buyout...
Doege had two chances to blow the game and he nearly succeeded. If not for the defense, we would have lost. Blind side fumble was not has huge as the late INT he threw.
Yup. The D is far more responsible for any of WVU's wins since 2019 than Doege. Complete reversal from when Grier played.
Imagine having the last couple years level of defense when Geno Smith was a senior. Even with Tavon and Bailey we blew the season because of the historically bad Joe DeForest defense. With a good defense, we win the B12 that year imo. Now we can ball on D and our O is like grandma. Wish we could have both at the same time.
Lol ok TVZ. Our QB still played like garbage. Worst QB we’ve had since the Nehlen days.
Good grief!!!
WE WON against the no. 15 ranked team in the Country!
Yet, we have the continual bitching with their ridiculous dissatisfaction. Hard to read all the negativism that freely flows.
At the current rate I will be reading ONLY posts from a limited % or BL posters because the others, who truly prove nothing worth reading, are rapidly filling my 'ignore' pot.
Any on here remember the old MEG? It seemed to eventually collapse because of a similar malady we are seeing so prevalent on he Blue Lot. And to think the Blue Lot evolved because of the overriding distaste for what the MEG had become. Hate to say it but I see the same attitudes being quite similar once again.
Calm down doc. I'm happy we beat VT, and made a thread shouting out to the players who played their asses off today to win. Not impressed with Neal Brown's play calling and havent been for about 3 years now. Not too mention some of his head scratcher in-game decisions. And the post you quoted was after we blew the Maryland game, which was a very beatable team. Not a good way to open the season with a 15 year veteran senior QB, a very good RB and one of the best defenses in the country. During Neal's time, if our defense wasnt as good as they have been, we would be absolutely dismal based on how long its taking him to put together a decent offense. We were dominating VT today and almost lost it except that the players on our D rose to the occasion. Browns play calling and decision making let them back in it. 3 points in the 2nd half is not a good look. I'll take the W, and reserve the right to think Neal Brown hasnt shown enough to convince me of him yet.
Good post! I agree with all you reference.
Is Brown actually calling plays during the game, or has he delegated that to the OC? No matter who is responsible for the play design, the play in which Leddie ran the 80 yards, was beautiful in all aspects. Never saw that we came back to it per se, but it was well designed and worked to perfection.
On the other hand, the TD to their RB when the QB was under severe pressure was the result of play design IMO. We had serious rush on the QB by the front 6 and were very close, more than once, of getting him sacked. He broke out to his left with some open turf. The defender on this RB, out of the background, left 'his man's cut off the QB. The RB settled into the area vacated by his defender and was wide open. Seems to me, the rush needed to be a little more controlled so as to not allow the Qb to extend the play and scramble to a somewhat open field, and better tackling when in position to make a sack. Someone in the deeper secondary should have some sort of oversight responsibility to cover for LBs/Corners that are needed for run/scramble support.
I feel one can do both - celebrate a big win while at the same time question come of the coach's decisions.
A few that I really questioned were these:
1. Toward the end of the first half, we have put together a decent drive mainly on the legs of Leddie Brown who has just gotten the first down at the two with 2 minutes and change left. I know a lot of people were questioning the hurry up but I really don't have a lot of problem with that. Tech's defense was gassed and had just been gashed by Brown for a big gain. The big question is why Brown doesn't get that carry on 1st down? You know you're getting points no matter what, and you even have plenty of timeouts to spare. He's deserved that touch. Even if he doesn't get in, the clock still moves and you can give it to him again. You're getting the ball to start the second half anyway. A fade to a Chris Henry type who towers over his defender makes sense, but not that call with no mismatch.
Brown doesn't get the ball on second either, instead using your slowest handler in Doege on a bootleg. That play would have been a good one out on the 50 - not with a compressed field with every eye on you.
Third down had to see the ball get into the end zone so everyone knew it had to be a pass. 3 bad play calls that almost cost WVU big time - lucky to come away from all that with 3 and their missed field goal. A TD there all but seals it.
2. The time to put Greene in was the next to last series. WVU had just had a crucial stop and Tech knew we were going to run it 3 times. In the second half, Tech's defensive ends all but ignored Doege. If they saw the line flow, they immediately crashed down on Brown. Brown's production went way down in the second half because of that. Putting Greene in then would have eliminated that. A first down or two that series the game is over. Having two ball carriers back there would mean the defense would have to respect both, allowing either the opportunity to get chunk yardage to keep both the yardage markers and clock moving.
3. On the last series, bringing Doege back in on 3rd down. I really didn't mind the play call per se, you get the first down ball game is over. If Greene throws that interception I could live with it because the defense would still be unsure if WVU would be running the ball or not. But by replacing Greene with Doege, you were telling the defense the pass was coming. Otherwise, why replace Greene? The defense was sitting on pass all the way - they knew we weren't running the ball. That was perhaps the dumbest call of Brown's tenure here.
A bonus horrible call - the timeout on 3rd down. I get why you call a timeout but the right time was on 1st down. By calling timeout on 2nd down - with VT out of timeouts - that allowed Fuente to call both a third down AND 4th down play. Fortunately for us, they only have one sorry play design they feel comfortable with in that situation and they run the same play both times.
A few that I really questioned were these:
1. Toward the end of the first half, we have put together a decent drive mainly on the legs of Leddie Brown who has just gotten the first down at the two with 2 minutes and change left. I know a lot of people were questioning the hurry up but I really don't have a lot of problem with that. Tech's defense was gassed and had just been gashed by Brown for a big gain. The big question is why Brown doesn't get that carry on 1st down? You know you're getting points no matter what, and you even have plenty of timeouts to spare. He's deserved that touch. Even if he doesn't get in, the clock still moves and you can give it to him again. You're getting the ball to start the second half anyway. A fade to a Chris Henry type who towers over his defender makes sense, but not that call with no mismatch.
Brown doesn't get the ball on second either, instead using your slowest handler in Doege on a bootleg. That play would have been a good one out on the 50 - not with a compressed field with every eye on you.
Third down had to see the ball get into the end zone so everyone knew it had to be a pass. 3 bad play calls that almost cost WVU big time - lucky to come away from all that with 3 and their missed field goal. A TD there all but seals it.
2. The time to put Greene in was the next to last series. WVU had just had a crucial stop and Tech knew we were going to run it 3 times. In the second half, Tech's defensive ends all but ignored Doege. If they saw the line flow, they immediately crashed down on Brown. Brown's production went way down in the second half because of that. Putting Greene in then would have eliminated that. A first down or two that series the game is over. Having two ball carriers back there would mean the defense would have to respect both, allowing either the opportunity to get chunk yardage to keep both the yardage markers and clock moving.
3. On the last series, bringing Doege back in on 3rd down. I really didn't mind the play call per se, you get the first down ball game is over. If Greene throws that interception I could live with it because the defense would still be unsure if WVU would be running the ball or not. But by replacing Greene with Doege, you were telling the defense the pass was coming. Otherwise, why replace Greene? The defense was sitting on pass all the way - they knew we weren't running the ball. That was perhaps the dumbest call of Brown's tenure here.
A bonus horrible call - the timeout on 3rd down. I get why you call a timeout but the right time was on 1st down. By calling timeout on 2nd down - with VT out of timeouts - that allowed Fuente to call both a third down AND 4th down play. Fortunately for us, they only have one sorry play design they feel comfortable with in that situation and they run the same play both times.