Tyus Scheduling Agent Meetings
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Hate to see him go, but he will always be a beloved Blue Devil. Same goes for Justise and Jah. They did so much for Duke, both on the court this season and perception-wise going forward. Loved watching all three play and hope they get a chance to reunite with Coach K in Rio....
Obviously best of luck. Though, admittedly, not sure what I make of this report -- as I've never heard of this person + the fact of meetings doesn't always tell you everything (i'm pretty sure Mason and Singler had meetings). Personally, I'm more convinced that he's going based on DJ's certainty about this subject.
i am using the force on tyus.....
this is not the draft your looking for.....
[hand wave]
[hand wave]
this is not the draft your looking for.....
[hand wave]
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I believe he will go cause his buddies Justise and Jah and Cook are gonna be gone, and his draft stock probably can't get much higher.
But, this article doesn't say anything about him declaring yet. He's simply finding out info from different teams of his potential draft position.
But, this article doesn't say anything about him declaring yet. He's simply finding out info from different teams of his potential draft position.
Not directly related to his future plans but no one talks about something Grant Hill said during the game. I recall thinking the same thing at the moment he said it. Go to the championship vid. Everyone gets caught up ( justifiably so ) re-living Tyus' trey that put Duke up 6. The one he's pictured celebrating after on the SI cover. Obviously , a great moment for him and Duke fans too. Anyway , at about the 1:57 mark on the vid , he hits the one that put Duke back up on top. A split second before he hit it , Grant says , "Tyus Jones Time." Gets better just thinkin' about it.
The kid has the rock , he's dribbling around the top of the key and , like a psychic , Hill says what tons of Duke fans ( including me ) are thinking at the exact same time..."Do yer thing , kid." What. A. Player.
It's definitely okay if Tyus goes however I'm not sure why he would leave. I thought the purpose of a one and done is to be a lottery pick. Not a mid range first rounder. The draft next year will be very weak and there really isn't any good talent in terms of PG's coming in next year. I can't even think of a pg that would look like a better draft pick than Tyus next year. Just seems like he'd be losing out on money not staying another year.
I liken the decision Tyus has with Jay Williams to a certain degree. As a sophomore Williams won the National Championship, won the NABC player of the year award and could have easily been a top 5 draft pick. As we know Williams came back for his junior year and had just as impressive year statistically, won NABC player of the year as well as National College Player of the year award. If memory serves correct he was the overall number 2 pick coming out of college. I understand why everyone says strike while the iron is hot and it wont get any better than right now because next years team wont be as stacked but I believe he still could have an amazing season next year being "the" guy instead of one of several.
NBA - 6-8 minutes per game mostly in mop up time.
College. 33-35 minutes a game leading a team.
NBA 800-900k salary plus endorsements
College- Free food at Duke.
I think it comes down to which team shows interest. I have seen Mock Draft with Cavs taking him as 24 th or so pick . Backing up KI and learning from Lebron might be the deciding factor.
College. 33-35 minutes a game leading a team.
NBA 800-900k salary plus endorsements
College- Free food at Duke.
I think it comes down to which team shows interest. I have seen Mock Draft with Cavs taking him as 24 th or so pick . Backing up KI and learning from Lebron might be the deciding factor.
I wouldn't take too much solace from the fact that he has yet to announce. It takes some time to gather all the information, assemble a team of representatives, etc. With the exception of Okafor, in fact, I think most Duke guys have typically taken at least 2-3 weeks from the end of the season to announce (I'm not sure if Parker / Hood had even announced by this date even though we lost to Mercer weeks earlier). I think Okafor was a bit of a different case b/c he clearly entered college with the firm expectation and intention of being one-and-down, and unlike most, did not need Coach K to do any type of pre-Draft factfinding before he made his decision.
As much as we've discussed the NBA prospects of all 3, IMO, Tyus's draft prospects were really altered by that championship game against Wisconsin (I think we'd be having a completely different conversation about him if he had a 3 of 16 type night) -- and, in view of that, I think he's being a little more cautious before making any public proclamations.
This post was edited on 4/14 4:19 PM by aah555
As much as we've discussed the NBA prospects of all 3, IMO, Tyus's draft prospects were really altered by that championship game against Wisconsin (I think we'd be having a completely different conversation about him if he had a 3 of 16 type night) -- and, in view of that, I think he's being a little more cautious before making any public proclamations.
This post was edited on 4/14 4:19 PM by aah555
While it's certainly true that his stock could improve, even I would acknowledge that the risk of it falling significantly are a lot higher than the chances of it improving significantly. Right now, he's got an artificially inflated draft projection that has been buoyed by his performance against Wisconsin. Will that last through the draft? Possibly. I think the real question is whether he wants to take advantage of a unique set of circumstances to make a premature jump to the NBA, or wait until he's more prepared for the next level with the associated risk that he may not be able to maintain that draft stock if he suffers an injury or does not progress in key facets of his game. As much as I like Tyus, he's an undersized PG with mediocre to poor athleticsm (by NBA standards) who doesn't defend well and only shoots 42% from the field. Right now, NBA scouts seems to be ignoring those pretty huge warts (at least the ones driving the media speculation) because of his tremendous intangibles, leadership, basketball IQ, and capacity for thriving under pressure. However, if he comes back and plays somewhere close to the level he did this season, my guess is that a lot of the chatter around him will change a lot --- b/c there are real concerns about how his game translates to the next level. IMO, the only real argument for staying (from a basketball perspective) is that it may improve his long-term odds of staying in the league -- b/c a far more physically and mentally mature Tyus will be far better positioned to survive at the next level than the current one, which I think could easily wash out of the league by year 2 or 3 (e.g., a guy like JJ Redick may not have survived if his rookie deal had come up at 22, but had a realistic chance at 24-25 when he hit the key fulcrum of his career). We've talked about it before, but the struggles of Tyler Ennis (whose game / freshman production / strengths / weaknesses closely resembles Tyus), and Kendall Marshall to a lesser extent, clearly show how athletically demanding the NBA game can be at the PG position.
This post was edited on 4/14 4:44 PM by aah555
Ioliva, the chances of you actually rising your draft stock if you're him are pretty slim. He'll have to have an exceptional year next year to keep them where they are. Again, his stock will never be higher, and yes MOP in the final 4, leading your team to the championship absolutely helps his draft stock. To put it a good comparison, think of some of the players we've gone up against who's draft stock was spiked against us- CJ Mucollum of Lehigh is a great example.
Coming back another year only gives GM's and scouts another year to nitpick your game. That's why all these mock drafts every year have loads of freshmen in the first round- you dont know enough about their games. JMM probably wishes he left after his freshman year (lottery pick), same with Sheed if you actually think about it (hindsight is 20/20), both of those kids weren't (won't be) drafted in the first round, but were lottery projections after their freshmen years. There are TONS more like that.
Coming back another year only gives GM's and scouts another year to nitpick your game. That's why all these mock drafts every year have loads of freshmen in the first round- you dont know enough about their games. JMM probably wishes he left after his freshman year (lottery pick), same with Sheed if you actually think about it (hindsight is 20/20), both of those kids weren't (won't be) drafted in the first round, but were lottery projections after their freshmen years. There are TONS more like that.
I think that's a valid point on the front end, but how many guys declare prematurely only to end up in Europe, China, or the D-league by the age of 23? For instance, Marquise Teague -- the freshman PG on the 2011-12 UK national title team -- used a strong NCAA tourney performance as the springboard to going late in the first round. What has happened since? He spent much of his first two years in the NBA in the D-league and failed to catch onto an NBA roster in year 3, spending the entire season in the D-league without an NBA contract. Everyone (or most people) know what happened with Kendall Marshall from that same class. The same fate has befallen Jared Cunningham (#24). Fast-forward to the 2013 class, Reggie Bullock's career (#25) seems to be heading in the same direction. I bring up these comparable examples just to make the point that getting drafted somewhere in the first round is not always the end-all, be-all -- b/c merely getting drafted in the first round doesn't assure a long career or a permanent, life-altering payday that can last these guys for the rest of their lives. For whatever reason, we tend to focus only on how the NBA has changed its strategy for drafting prospects in the last 5-10 years without paying attention to how the NBA handles the influx of these kids into the league, many of whom are not prepared to play at that level.
While I feel that Tyus will decide to go cause K will not give him any info that will try to hold onto him another year and will most likely tell him to strike while the iron is hot as well, I think there's one thing were all missing.
Everyone wants to tie his decision more to Jah and Justise declaring but its Grayson that's his roommate if I recall, and it's Grayson that Tyus could well say, hell that's give it another go and see what we can do with this team, and try to keep us at the top. Grayson coming back could mean more than Jah/Justise leaving cause Tyus knew his buddy Jah was gone, and they have already achieved their goal of Natty Title together; there's no package deal talk about the NBA. Tyus may not be tied to their decision at all in reality.
Everyone wants to tie his decision more to Jah and Justise declaring but its Grayson that's his roommate if I recall, and it's Grayson that Tyus could well say, hell that's give it another go and see what we can do with this team, and try to keep us at the top. Grayson coming back could mean more than Jah/Justise leaving cause Tyus knew his buddy Jah was gone, and they have already achieved their goal of Natty Title together; there's no package deal talk about the NBA. Tyus may not be tied to their decision at all in reality.