UK/JMI go after KSR

[RoyKent]

Pretty pathetic and weak move by UK, Mitch and JMI. really disgraceful on their part. Like them or not, KSR is the #1 UK supporter/promoter/connector for UK sports. UKAA continues to show they are completely clueless when it comes to fan engagement and how to treat the regular fans.

 

[WildcatfaninOhio]

I’m outraged!

 

[Yardeth]

Wow, I wonder what Matt did to piss off UK and Mitch?

 

[gozva]

I thought Matt Jones was Mr. "rules are rules, you should follow them"

 

[westerncat]

Could this be Cal pushing this ?

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

Mitch just priming the pump for how he handles Cal moving forward. Gotta get those balls toughened up.

 

[Spanish Radio]

Sounds like Matt better watch out or he will get the "BrianPoe" treatment.

 

[jimmybuffet123]

This is kinda ridiculous. Couldn’t they do the same for this site and basically anything involving UK likeness?

 

[Catman100]

Sure seems to me Matt has been a lot more critical of Cal lately. I wonder if this is blowback.

 

[Kats23]

Could this be Cal pushing this ?

Far be it for me to point out a hissy by Matt Jones and he be wrong but it’s likely some corporate decision at the JMI level, not UK (Mitch, Cal or anybody else) plus, while Matt is philosophically correct in saying this is stupid by UK and JMI, from a business standpoint it’s absolutely the correct call. Let’s say they let KSR slide on this but stop Buffalo Wild Wings or some other local restaurant. Those restaurants would have a legitimate gripe. JMI spent a lot of money to own the UK name, to distribute it as they see fit. Is it right, that people like Matt Jones are able to profit off the use just because he’s simultaneously promoting it at the same time? UK or JMI makes no profit share off the promotion at KSRbar.

I also can’t believe the lawyer in Matt doesn’t see the liability issue here. Let’s say someone comes to one of his promoted UK games at KSR bar. Gets drunk, drive and smacks into and injures a person. Later comes out they went to KSR bar for the game. KSR bar is using licensed UK logos to promote it. Guy wouldn’t have gone there without those promotions...UK could be lumped into an injury lawsuit.

there’s a lot of reasons why UK doe

 

[Mike-D]

Wow, I wonder what Matt did to piss if UK and Mitch?

Probably because he doesn't kiss their *** on his radio show. He's been vocal on the Mitch lifetime contract, and how awful Cal has been this year.

 

[TortElvisII]

Matt Jones atop KSBar car when Mitch saw him.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Sounds like Matt better watch out or he will get the "BrianPoe" treatment.

What do you mean? Whatever happened to him anyway?

 

[Blueathletics]

Wow, I wonder what Matt did to piss if UK and Mitch?

All you have to do is follow his personal Twitter account and you can probably figure it out

 

[Lempface]

Isn't part of having a trademark defending it from unauthorized use? Can't you lose that trademark if you don't?

 

[SmedMoley]

Sounds like Matt better watch out or he will get the "BrianPoe" treatment.

I had that exact thought Martin.

 

[colonelcat78]

Far be it for me to point out a hissy by Matt Jones and he be wrong but it’s likely some corporate decision at the JMI level, not UK (Mitch, Cal or anybody else) plus, while Matt is philosophically correct in saying this is stupid by UK and JMI, from a business standpoint it’s absolutely the correct call. Let’s say they let KSR slide on this but stop Buffalo Wild Wings or some other local restaurant. Those restaurants would have a legitimate gripe. JMI spent a lot of money to own the UK name, to distribute it as they see fit. Is it right, that people like Matt Jones are able to profit off the use just because he’s simultaneously promoting it at the same time? UK or JMI makes no profit share off the promotion at KSRbar.

I also can’t believe the lawyer in Matt doesn’t see the liability issue here. Let’s say someone comes to one of his promoted UK games at KSR bar. Gets drunk, drive and smacks into and injures a person. Later comes out they went to KSR bar for the game. KSR bar is using licensed UK logos to promote it. Guy wouldn’t have gone there without those promotions...UK could be lumped into an injury lawsuit.

there’s a lot of reasons why UK doe

Amen...

 

[Anon1679859502]

That’s what Matt gets for having a private dinner/meeting with Mitch lol
I believe this dinner was recently so you would think Mitch would have brought it up during their private chat.

 

[-COUNTRY-CLUB-JOE-]

Far be it for me to point out a hissy by Matt Jones and he be wrong but it’s likely some corporate decision at the JMI level, not UK (Mitch, Cal or anybody else) plus, while Matt is philosophically correct in saying this is stupid by UK and JMI, from a business standpoint it’s absolutely the correct call. Let’s say they let KSR slide on this but stop Buffalo Wild Wings or some other local restaurant. Those restaurants would have a legitimate gripe. JMI spent a lot of money to own the UK name, to distribute it as they see fit. Is it right, that people like Matt Jones are able to profit off the use just because he’s simultaneously promoting it at the same time? UK or JMI makes no profit share off the promotion at KSRbar.

I also can’t believe the lawyer in Matt doesn’t see the liability issue here. Let’s say someone comes to one of his promoted UK games at KSR bar. Gets drunk, drive and smacks into and injures a person. Later comes out they went to KSR bar for the game. KSR bar is using licensed UK logos to promote it. Guy wouldn’t have gone there without those promotions...UK could be lumped into an injury lawsuit.

there’s a lot of reasons why UK doe

Nice try, JMI

 

[SmedMoley]

I thought Matt Jones was Mr. "rules are rules, you should follow them"

Only when it's to his point of view.

 

[TortElvisII]

What do you mean? Whatever happened to him anyway?

Big Blue Nation ring a bell?

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Couldn't Senator McGrath maybe step in and help Matt....oh wait.
Seems Matt only likes to follow rules that are to his benefit.
Him crying on Twitter about it is so sweet. Suck it up buttercup.

 

[ConRay9]

Far be it for me to point out a hissy by Matt Jones and he be wrong but it’s likely some corporate decision at the JMI level, not UK (Mitch, Cal or anybody else) plus, while Matt is philosophically correct in saying this is stupid by UK and JMI, from a business standpoint it’s absolutely the correct call. Let’s say they let KSR slide on this but stop Buffalo Wild Wings or some other local restaurant. Those restaurants would have a legitimate gripe. JMI spent a lot of money to own the UK name, to distribute it as they see fit. Is it right, that people like Matt Jones are able to profit off the use just because he’s simultaneously promoting it at the same time? UK or JMI makes no profit share off the promotion at KSRbar.

I also can’t believe the lawyer in Matt doesn’t see the liability issue here. Let’s say someone comes to one of his promoted UK games at KSR bar. Gets drunk, drive and smacks into and injures a person. Later comes out they went to KSR bar for the game. KSR bar is using licensed UK logos to promote it. Guy wouldn’t have gone there without those promotions...UK could be lumped into an injury lawsuit.

there’s a lot of reasons why UK doe

Let me preface this by stating I am absolutely NOT saying you’re wrong, because UK/JMI are completely within their legal right to control their IP the way they see fit. However, what will happen is KSR and anyone else will just use alternate logos in promoting deals at their restaurant. I don’t think the official logo is enticing anyone to pick one restaurant over another.

Ultimately, it seems what they are doing is antagonizing one of the biggest promoters of UK athletics under the veil of legal IP claims. No one’s gonna care about that and instead hyper focus on the circumstances surrounding this sudden decision to send a cease and desist to KSR. If they really cared, they would have done this a LONG time ago. All that will happen is speculation by fans and media that will almost certainly trend poorly for UK/JMI.

I have next to zero real world legal experience at the moment, but I’m also extremely skeptical that the hypo you gave would actually result in any liability claim against UK that wouldn’t be frivolous in that scenario. However, I concede I don’t know enough to truly know atm.

So at the end of the day this seems like nothing but a bad look for JMI and, by extension, UK. At the VERY least this looks petty as hell.

 

[HerrosHeroes]

Big Freakin Whoop

Tennessee better strap it on tight cause UK ain't taken nary a prisoner Sat afternoon!

Go Cayuts!!!

 

[SmedMoley]

Couldn't Senator McGrath maybe step in and help Matt....oh wait.
Seems Matt only likes to follow rules that are to his benefit.
Him crying on Twitter about it is so sweet. Suck it up buttercup.

I'm not sure why he's even complaining. As a lawyer, he should know that unauthorized use a registered trademark is expressly forbidden. It's as cut and dried as you can get. He should have gotten proper authorization to use it.

 

[Crawfords Corner]

It's about the almighty dollar. Just give them their take and will be well.

 

[420grover]

I thought Matt Jones was Mr. "rules are rules, you should follow them"

You thought wrong. It's "A rule isn't a rule if there's no punishment for breaking it."

 

[fastpaste101]

Uk is pretty strict about usages of thier likeness. Not sure why KSR should get a pass to use it without permission.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Big Blue Nation ring a bell?

Lol no, sorry.

 

[TankedCat]

interesting to note, and I could be wrong on this but....

didn't KSR sell their website to Barstool Sports?

and after that happened, I think you noticed a definite change in tone as it comes to support for Cal.

Stories from writers imploring Cal to stop lying, questioning his coaching decisions, substitution patterns, his post game comments - I mean, basically everything I do here, but I didn't build my brand on being UK's lapdog, and launch a book writing, restaurant owning, radio show career from it, then sell out to an unbiased 3rd party.

My wife wishes I did, but none the less I did not.

So maybe UK is like screw you KSR, you used to suck up to us but now that you've got a little cash in your pocket, you call it like you see it, and we don't like it.

just my observation.

 

[Blue Wildcat]

It’s trademarked-it’s their logo and they should force control over it. The lawyer should have known this even if the radio host, business owner wanted it to be overlooked..

 

[420grover]

It doesn't take much difference to get by copyright laws with logos. It only needs a slight change and it's no longer the UK logo.

Edit: They should put a checkerboard in the middle instead of solid blue. Or they could use my avatar, the color fade and skewed edges are different enough for the laws.

 

[TortElvisII]

Lol no, sorry.

I have to go back to work my lunch is over, so somebody will have to explain it but basically UK went after Brian and the big blue nation website and magazine. This was in around 2004-2003 you can probably Google it. There are plenty here that know way more than I do about it.

 

[billCgmx]

I thought Matt Jones was Mr. "rules are rules, you should follow them"

He does seem like a "Rules For Thee But Not For Me" type guy.

 

[irishcat1965]

interesting to note, and I could be wrong on this but....

didn't KSR sell their website to Barstool Sports?

and after that happened, I think you noticed a definite change in tone as it comes to support for Cal.

Stories from writers imploring Cal to stop lying, questioning his coaching decisions, substitution patterns, his post game commnets - I mean, basically everything I do here, but I didn't build my brand on being UK's lapdog, and launch a book writing, restaurant owning, radio show career from it, then sell out to a unbiased 3rd party.

My wife wishes I did, but none the less I did not.

So maybe UK is like screw you KSR, you used to suck up to us but now that you've got a little cash in your pocket, you call it like you see it, and we don't like it.

just my observation.

Probably closer to the truth. And the little I listen to the show clearly shows a striking difference in tone towards Cal. Jones made his money building a close relationship with UK. Now that he is tweaking their noses so to speak, UK is not tolerating any of it.

 

[Kats23]

Let me preface this by stating I am absolutely NOT saying you’re wrong, because UK/JMI are completely within their legal right to control their IP the way they see fit. However, what will happen is KSR and anyone else will just use alternate logos in promoting deals at their restaurant. I don’t think the official logo is enticing anyone to pick one restaurant over another.

So at the end of the day what they are doing is antagonizing one of the biggest promoters of UK athletics under the veil of legal IP claims. No one’s gonna care about that and instead hyper focus on the circumstances surrounding this sudden decision to send a cease and desist to KSR. If they really cared, they would have done this a LONG time ago. All that will happen is speculation by fans and media that will almost certainly trend poorly for UK/JMI.

I have next to zero real world legal experience at the moment, but I’m also extremely skeptical that the hypo you gave would actually result in any liability claim against UK that wouldn’t be frivolous in that scenario. However, I concede I don’t know enough to truly know atm.

So at the end of the day this seems like nothing but a bad look for JMI and, by extension, UK. At the VERY least this looks petty as hell.

Completely agree with everything you said. I just look at it through a corporate, no emotions eyeballs and I see JMI and UK’s stance. Like when the NFL years said business’s couldn’t promote Super Bowl watch parties using the term Super Bowl.

 

[SpamburgerHamburger_rivals101482]

Let me preface this by stating I am absolutely NOT saying you’re wrong, because UK/JMI are completely within their legal right to control their IP the way they see fit. However, what will happen is KSR and anyone else will just use alternate logos in promoting deals at their restaurant. I don’t think the official logo is enticing anyone to pick one restaurant over another.

So at the end of the day what they are doing is antagonizing one of the biggest promoters of UK athletics under the veil of legal IP claims. No one’s gonna care about that and instead hyper focus on the circumstances surrounding this sudden decision to send a cease and desist to KSR. If they really cared, they would have done this a LONG time ago. All that will happen is speculation by fans and media that will almost certainly trend poorly for UK/JMI.

I have next to zero real world legal experience at the moment, but I’m also extremely skeptical that the hypo you gave would actually result in any liability claim against UK that wouldn’t be frivolous in that scenario. However, I concede I don’t know enough to truly know atm.

So at the end of the day this seems like nothing but a bad look for JMI and, by extension, UK. At the VERY least this looks petty as hell.

Well said.

I mean, copywrite law is there for a reason. But, this is really tone deaf to go after your single largest supporters for this. KSR gives more publicity and promotion of UK sports than anything UK could pay for themselves. It's really extremely petty by JMI/UK.

 

[ConRay9]

Completely agree with everything you said. I just look at it through a corporate, no emotions eyeballs and I see JMI and UK’s stance. Like when the NFL years said business’s couldn’t promote Super Bowl watch parties using the term Super Bowl.

Absolutely! And I think it’s important to look at it from both sides. I wouldn’t have as big an issue if they had issued a cease and desist upon KSBar opening. I might not have agreed with it per se (from a public image standpoint) but I concede it is their IP, and their lawyers/legal team assuredly know more than I do about it.

The timing seems suspect, though. I’d be interested to know if they gave any other business or anyone else a call as well.

 

[TBCat]

I am not in the legal profession but I have been told this by many people that are. The way that IP property works in the courts is that you defend your IP against everyone or you effectively lose the right to enforce it against anyone. In other words if a charity is using Mickey Mouse to help feed the poor then Disney has to sue them as if they are a rival company improperly using it. They can't choose to let it go in some cases. That may be why UK is doing this. If KSR is improperly using UK's IP then UK's hands are tied. They have to take action no matter who it is.

 

[Kats23]

Absolutely! And I think it’s important to look at it from both sides. I wouldn’t have as big an issue if they had issued a cease and desist upon KSBar opening. I might not have agreed with it per se (from a public image standpoint) but I concede it is their IP, and their lawyers/legal team assuredly know more than I do about it.

The timing seems suspect, though. I’d be interested to know if they gave any other business or anyone else a call as well.

Agreed...timing is pretty suspect or at the very least, not great. I do wonder what Jones thinks he’s going to accomplish by griping about it? It’s not like he’s going to switch gears and rebrand the restaurant. UK athletics is the only game in town and he’s built his career on it. I doubt at the end of the day anyone is going to care KSRbar has to use imitation UK signage in their promotions. It isn’t like people are going to stop going to KSRbar bc the official UK logo isn’t there. Full stop, I’m not a MJ fan but I get his complaints and think he should’ve kept his mouth shut about it and just complied