UK vs. USM is a perfect example. . .

BlueRattie_rivals

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. . .of why teams put cupcakes on their schedule early in the season. Most teams, even good teams, spend the first three weeks of the season trying to find their identity. This is why so many teams look like Jekyll (first half UK) and Hyde (second half UK) early in the year. The first two to three games are dominated by the ongoing process of separating pre-season assumptions from in-season realities. By game three, teams know who they are--for better or worse and that's when most teams get into the meat of the schedule.

Scheduling early season games against competent opponents is a dangerous gambit. Does anyone really think that by season's end South Alabama will be a better team than MSU? That Mullen is a "terrible coach" because his young squad got bested by a more experienced (if less talented) team? Of course not. Mullen has an inexperienced squad trying to find its footing and it showed when they didn't know what to do with a lead. Sound familiar?

UK made the most fatal of mistakes, at least when it comes to early season scheduling: they played an experienced, confident squad with a small conference, "us vs. the world" chip on its shoulder. USM returned a three year starter at QB, a starter at RB, starters in the secondary, starters the interior line, starters at LB, and starters at DL. UK, on the other hand, was breaking in a new MLB, a new pair of DE's. Most importantly, UK was handing the reigns to a new QB, one with little game experiences and no success handling adversity. This was a disaster waiting to happen.

The lesson here is that when you're transitioning en masse to new players at key positions, get Charlotte on the schedule. Hell, I'd rather play a young, talented P5 team than an experienced, small conference team--especially one use to winning.

I'm not making excuses for UK; they choked with both fists and they deserved to lose. But there is hope in the fact that this is a young team, one you might not even recognize by season's end.
 

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So why doesn't UK have the chip on their shoulder. If you have to avoid conference USA teams to win games then you don't deserve to win games. There is nothing going on at USM that gives them a reason to have more to play for than UK had to play for.
 
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ky8335

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I don't understand some of our fans. Op would probably schedule Austin Peay 6 times and then celebrate us being bowl eligible as if it meant something.
 
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If you have to avoid conference USA teams to win games then you don't deserve to win games.

There there are lots, lots of teams out there that don't deserve to win games.

Moreover, I'm not saying you should avoid them altogether, just schedule them later in the year when you know who you are (especially when breaking in a new QB).
 

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I don't understand some of our fans. Op would probably schedule Austin Peay 6 times and then celebrate us being bowl eligible as if it meant something.

Our SEC schedule is stout enough no matter who we schedule non-conference (one of which will be a top 25 UofL team). So, yes, bring on the Austin Peay's of the world for the three games we get against non-SEC / UofL opponents.
 

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As I understand it, we didn't have a choice after UAB's program was cut. We had to find a FBS team, because a 2nd FCS team wouldn't help us attain bowl eligibility. I don't know if we any better options than Southern Miss, especially when Southern Miss had itself been terrible from 2012 to 2014. But, the reality is that UAB wouldn't have a easy task, either. They had a good coach and chances are, if they hadn't been undercut by the powers that be, that they would have been a tough out in their own right.

BTW, I agree with you in principle about scheduling 3 Austin Peays but we can't actually do that because Austin Peay is FCS. We should schedule them once, and find 2 Charlottes or New Mexico States.
 
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If you have to avoid conference USA teams to win games then you don't deserve to win games.


For the record, the following teams "don't deserve" to win games:

  1. Louisville (played Charlotte)
  2. Michigan State (played Furman)
  3. Baylor (played Northwestern St.)
  4. Ohio State (played Bowling Green)
  5. Michigan (played Hawaii)
  6. TCU (played South Dakota State)
  7. Iowa (played Miami of Ohio)
  8. Oklahoma State (played Southeastern Louisiana)
  9. Oregon (played UC Davis)
  10. Florida (played UMass)
Cupcake city.
 

rick64

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Cats were supposed to play UAB. But they cancelled their football program.
 

brianpoe

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USM also had a brand new coach.

Were 0-12 in 2012
1-11 in 2013
3-9 in 2014

They also had 2 brand new OT's.

One OT, a senior dlineman his whole career who hadnt played offensive tackle since high school.

I think that is just as tough as as an SEC team with a blue chip QB, new mlb and DE's that would never consider playing for a CUSA team...
 
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reflaine

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And on short notice usm returning a veteran team jumped on a down on their luck with scheduling uk team. A P5 team, this wasn't someone we called to schedule. This was someone who called us to schedule knowing we didn't have much choice in the matter. Didn't take no money to play on the rod but only wanted one little home game. The home game knowing Mitch said last
Years eight games wouldn't happen and we needed to find an away/neutral game.
 

TBCat

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For the record, the following teams "don't deserve" to win games:

  1. Louisville (played Charlotte)
  2. Michigan State (played Furman)
  3. Baylor (played Northwestern St.)
  4. Ohio State (played Bowling Green)
  5. Michigan (played Hawaii)
  6. TCU (played South Dakota State)
  7. Iowa (played Miami of Ohio)
  8. Oklahoma State (played Southeastern Louisiana)
  9. Oregon (played UC Davis)
  10. Florida (played UMass)
Cupcake city.
I think you missed my point. I'm ok with us playing any of those teams. I'm also ok with us playing USM though. We shouldn't think of this as a trap game that we need to avoid. Also the reason we played them when we did was this game was to replace another opponent namely UAB. We scheduled them when we could.
 

Tskware

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Of course, we used to play Louisville the first game, that was a condition of the contract, but then that game got too tough, so we moved it to the 3rd game, when it was in Lexington. Now it is at the end of the season, and damn, those Cardinals just keep on kicking our butts. Now it seems that playing Western Ky and Southern Miss is just way over our capability for an opener. My thought is there is a common thread here . . .
 
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LadyCaytIL

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oh what the hell. People... UK should of won that game by 21+ pts. Stoops like a damn moron coached UK out of the game by not calling a prevent D or a time out at the end of the first half when it was obvious our DB and Safety were confused where to be....... TD USM. Then the second half by telling Gran to play conservative
 

Beatle Bum

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. . .of why teams put cupcakes on their schedule early in the season. Most teams, even good teams, spend the first three weeks of the season trying to find their identity. This is why so many teams look like Jekyll (first half UK) and Hyde (second half UK) early in the year. The first two to three games are dominated by the ongoing process of separating pre-season assumptions from in-season realities. By game three, teams know who they are--for better or worse and that's when most teams get into the meat of the schedule.

Scheduling early season games against competent opponents is a dangerous gambit. Does anyone really think that by season's end South Alabama will be a better team than MSU? That Mullen is a "terrible coach" because his young squad got bested by a more experienced (if less talented) team? Of course not. Mullen has an inexperienced squad trying to find its footing and it showed when they didn't know what to do with a lead. Sound familiar?

UK made the most fatal of mistakes, at least when it comes to early season scheduling: they played an experienced, confident squad with a small conference, "us vs. the world" chip on its shoulder. USM returned a three year starter at QB, a starter at RB, starters in the secondary, starters the interior line, starters at LB, and starters at DL. UK, on the other hand, was breaking in a new MLB, a new pair of DE's. Most importantly, UK was handing the reigns to a new QB, one with little game experiences and no success handling adversity. This was a disaster waiting to happen.

The lesson here is that when you're transitioning en masse to new players at key positions, get Charlotte on the schedule. Hell, I'd rather play a young, talented P5 team than an experienced, small conference team--especially one use to winning.

I'm not making excuses for UK; they choked with both fists and they deserved to lose. But there is hope in the fact that this is a young team, one you might not even recognize by season's end.

Had to find a replace mtn for UAB.
 

Beatle Bum

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UL played patsy Charlotte and their fans actually came out of that game feeling better about their team than they did during the off season. Last year they lost to a mediocre Auburn team and came out of that game feeling really good, because they thought Auburn was a contender. USM might prove to be better than last year's Auburn. First week assessments about the season are often wrong.
 

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. . .of why teams put cupcakes on their schedule early in the season. Most teams, even good teams, spend the first three weeks of the season trying to find their identity. This is why so many teams look like Jekyll (first half UK) and Hyde (second half UK) early in the year. The first two to three games are dominated by the ongoing process of separating pre-season assumptions from in-season realities. By game three, teams know who they are--for better or worse and that's when most teams get into the meat of the schedule.

Scheduling early season games against competent opponents is a dangerous gambit. Does anyone really think that by season's end South Alabama will be a better team than MSU? That Mullen is a "terrible coach" because his young squad got bested by a more experienced (if less talented) team? Of course not. Mullen has an inexperienced squad trying to find its footing and it showed when they didn't know what to do with a lead. Sound familiar?

UK made the most fatal of mistakes, at least when it comes to early season scheduling: they played an experienced, confident squad with a small conference, "us vs. the world" chip on its shoulder. USM returned a three year starter at QB, a starter at RB, starters in the secondary, starters the interior line, starters at LB, and starters at DL. UK, on the other hand, was breaking in a new MLB, a new pair of DE's. Most importantly, UK was handing the reigns to a new QB, one with little game experiences and no success handling adversity. This was a disaster waiting to happen.

The lesson here is that when you're transitioning en masse to new players at key positions, get Charlotte on the schedule. Hell, I'd rather play a young, talented P5 team than an experienced, small conference team--especially one use to winning.

I'm not making excuses for UK; they choked with both fists and they deserved to lose. But there is hope in the fact that this is a young team, one you might not even recognize by season's end.
Looks like that's what Southern Miss did and it worked out good for them.
 
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