Union Membership Shrinks Again in 2016

[DSmith21]

Last year, union membership shrunk to another all time low. Only 6.4% of private sector jobs are now union. Interestingly, 30.1% of all union members live in just two states (CA and NY).

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/26/disorganized-union-membership-hit-an-all-time-low-in-2016.html

 

[BernieSadori]

Here we go......

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

Last year, union membership shrunk to another all time low. Only 6.4% of private sector jobs are now union. Interestingly, 30.1% of all union members live in just two states (CA and NY).

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/26/disorganized-union-membership-hit-an-all-time-low-in-2016.html

Coincidentally, real wages also dropped.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Well when corporations can influence policies through lobby spending, labor loses out.

 

[oldsports_]

DSmith21 is happy while KY wages go to record low levels, be proud. Corporate greed is at a all time high across America, and he is smiling.

 

[Moopyj]

So if I want to work at Kroger can I opt out of their union

 

[Moopyj]

DSmith21 is happy while KY wages go to record low levels, be proud. Corporate greed is at a all time high across America, and he is smiling.

Greed ha such a weak argument

 

[oldsports_]

WDRB41 wrote a story in Sundays paper regarding the RTW law. Here is a interesting tidbit from that article.
"In 2015, 11 percent of Kentucky’s workers belonged to a union, up from 9.7 percent in 2005. Nationally, the union share declined from 12.5 percent to 11.1 percent over the same decade."
Also, regarding our neighbor to the north, the article pointed out;

"Since Indiana enacted its own right-to-work law in 2012, the state has slightly outpaced Kentucky in job growth.
Indiana jobs have grown by 6.9 percent since February 2012, compared to 6.3 percent in Kentucky, according to Anna Baumann of the Kentucky Center on Economic Policy, a research group that opposes right-to-work.
Neither state matched the national job growth of 8.7 percent over the same period.
But Indiana also added union members at twice the rate of Kentucky from 2012 to 2015, and Indiana’s percentage of union members rose during the period along with Kentucky’s, according to figures provided by KCEP.
Crigler, of Americans for Prosperity, said the fact that Indiana has more union jobs than when it adopted right-to-work shows how the policy can help unions."
I don't see KY unions vanishing anytime soon, something most with a brain already knew.

 

[DSmith21]

Well when corporations can influence policies through lobby spending, labor loses out.

So the Koch brothers political spending over the last few years is the cause of a half century decline in union membership? That's just silly. Also the dems have greatly outspent the GOP in the last three presidential cycles. So don't pretend that the left isn't very well funded by political donations from people like George Soros.

 

[Hank Camacho]

I'm all for the working person getting every single dollar and benefit owed but unions sound like some moony cult to me.

 

[fuzz77]

I'm all for the working person getting every single dollar and benefit owed but unions sound like some moony cult to me.

So who determines what they are "owed"?

 

[awf]

So who determines what they are "owed"?

They get what ever the union workers get. I guess my question is......why pay the dues any longer?

 

[louisvillesux]

I'm all for the working person getting every single dollar and benefit owed but unions sound like some moony cult to me.

when you listen to union leadership talk, i can see why you get that impression. but thats not at all what its like.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

Full disclosure I voted for trump, but if you can't look at trumps cabinet and figure out it's a rich mans America.... I shoulda voted for bill gates

 

[morgousky]

Full disclosure I voted for trump, but if you can't look at trumps cabinet and figure out it's a rich mans America.... I shoulda voted for bill gates

Well what would you prefer? College graduates and ideological academic 30 year olds running the show like we've had the last 8 years. Rich Lawyers and wealthy political families we've had most of the years prior?

I mean, I guess what it comes down to is how you measure success? In America success is measured by the Benjamin's. I would much rather have successful entrepreneurs like Trump and others like himself in these rolls.

The presidency is not suited for regular men, who have been financially irresponsible and average in life. We need pragmatic doers of big accomplishment. The bigger, the better. It's not so much about being rich, as it's about the DNA. Money just comes with it.

 

[fuzz77]

Well what would you prefer? College graduates and ideological academic 30 year olds running the show like we've had the last 8 years. Rich Lawyers and wealthy political families we've had most of the years prior?

I mean, I guess what it comes down to is how you measure success? In America success is measured by the Benjamin's. I would much rather have successful entrepreneurs like Trump and others like himself in these rolls.

The presidency is not suited for regular men, who have been financially irresponsible and average in life. We need pragmatic doers of big accomplishment. The bigger, the better. It's not so much about being rich, as it's about the DNA. Money just comes with it.

Trump's history is that he has done whatever it is to make Trump wealthy, not someone who has used his wealth and talent to enrich the lives of others. Trump has always been about Trump. What leads you to believe that the leopard has changed his spots?
In contrast, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and many other billionaires have made many, many more billions of $$ and have made a practice of using those billions to help people less fortunate than themselves.

 

[Bill Derington]

Trump's history is that he has done whatever it is to make Trump wealthy, not someone who has used his wealth and talent to enrich the lives of others. Trump has always been about Trump. What leads you to believe that the leopard has changed his spots?
In contrast, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and many other billionaires have made many, many more billions of $$ and have made a practice of using those billions to help people less fortunate than themselves.

None of your post has anything to do with what morgous posted.

Would you rather have rich, successful people in a cabinet, or people who want to use the position to enrich themselves?
Who is more likely to abuse power for self enrichment?

Bill Clinton used it to become rich, Obama will likely follow. Think they might've made decisions with their wallet in mind? We know Clinton did.

 

[morgousky]

Trump's history is that he has done whatever it is to make Trump wealthy, not someone who has used his wealth and talent to enrich the lives of others. Trump has always been about Trump. What leads you to believe that the leopard has changed his spots?
In contrast, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and many other billionaires have made many, many more billions of $$ and have made a practice of using those billions to help people less fortunate than themselves.

"Trump's history is that he has done whatever it is to make Trump wealthy, not someone who has used his wealth and talent to enrich the lives of others."

You don't seem to think too quickly.

Yea, his history as a businessman was to make himself wealthy. Wow, a shocker. Have you patented this? It's genius.

Successful people, and I assume you probably aren't one, like to reach milestones. The way to reach those milestones is to succeed and proceed. It's what he wants, A successful presidency. That takes the American people benefiting from his administration. He wants the history books now, immortality. Are you so dense that you just cannot grasp that concept, Trump supporter or not?

"Trump has always been about Trump. What leads you to believe that the leopard has changed his spots?"

Yes, he's a successful businessman who's about himself. He's also helped to create thousands of jobs for others based on his models, so there have been plenty of people to benefit from his success. He's not changing anything at all, he's just tackling his next goal in life. It's what alpha dogs do. He's not a *****, get over it.

"In contrast, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and many other billionaires have made many, many more billions of $$ and have made a practice of using those billions to help people less fortunate than themselves."

Again, you're terrible at this. Bill Gates wouldn't waste 5 minutes helping this country revamp and get to work running for POTUS. He's too damn rich, the white house would literally be a doghouse or worse to him. The job would be a distraction. He's worth nearly 100 billion GD dollars. He's not in this universe. Trump is a damn janitor compared.

I'll take 100 trumps using the office as a goal in his successful life, and be the by-product of it. You take corrupt politicians who use their office as a means to enrich themselves on the public dime, like "her".

I'm not arguing this with you in this thread. It's dumb and your points are horrible. You want it go to the political thread and post more nonsense. I'm usually there.

 

[fuzz77]

"Trump's history is that he has done whatever it is to make Trump wealthy, not someone who has used his wealth and talent to enrich the lives of others."

You don't seem to think too quickly.

Yea, his history as a businessman was to make himself wealthy. Wow, a shocker. Have you patented this? It's genius.

Successful people, and I assume you probably aren't one, like to reach milestones. The way to reach those milestones is to succeed and proceed. It's what he wants, A successful presidency. That takes the American people benefiting from his administration. He wants the history books now, immortality. Are you so dense that you just cannot grasp that concept, Trump supporter or not?

"Trump has always been about Trump. What leads you to believe that the leopard has changed his spots?"

Yes, he's a successful businessman who's about himself. He's also helped to create thousands of jobs for others based on his models, so there have been plenty of people to benefit from his success. He's not changing anything at all, he's just tackling his next goal in life. It's what alpha dogs do. He's not a *****, get over it.

"In contrast, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and many other billionaires have made many, many more billions of $$ and have made a practice of using those billions to help people less fortunate than themselves."

Again, you're terrible at this. Bill Gates wouldn't waste 5 minutes helping this country revamp and get to work running for POTUS. He's too damn rich, the white house would literally be a doghouse or worse to him. The job would be a distraction. He's worth nearly 100 billion GD dollars. He's not in this universe. Trump is a damn janitor compared.

I'll take 100 trumps using the office as a goal in his successful life, and be the by-product of it. You take corrupt politicians who use their office as a means to enrich themselves on the public dime, like "her".

I'm not arguing this with you in this thread. It's dumb and your points are horrible. You want it go to the political thread and post more nonsense. I'm usually there.

Gates has created thousands of high paying technology jobs with great benefits, Trump has created thousands of low paying service jobs most with no benefits. Gates hasn't hired illegal workers because they would work cheaper for him than workers who were legal to hire.
Yeah buddy, any day you want to compare the benefits to this country that each has created, let me know. Gates has also paid his taxes unlike your hero.

ROFLMAO...I guess being a simple billionaire gives one an excuse why they are unable to use their wealth to help others who are not in some way providing profits back to themselves. Being a simple billionaire excuses you for creating scam "universities" that bait and switchs students so he can make more money... Let's see...you went into the lawn care business and couldn't compete, went into the trucking business...couldn't compete...it's pretty obvious that you can't use your mind to compete.

Oh, one more thing...Trump isn't a *****? Why then no travel ban on Saudi Arabia? Home of 16 of the 19 9/11 hijackers. Pakistan? Protected and hid Bin Laden. Won't criticize Russia because wealthy Russians are major purchasers of his real estate deals. Won't release his tax returns... Despite laws against conflict of interest, won't relinquish his business holdings to a blind trust as has every other POTUS.

 

[morgousky]

Gates has created thousands of high paying technology jobs with great benefits, Trump has created thousands of low paying service jobs most with no benefits. Gates hasn't hired illegal workers because they would work cheaper for him than workers who were legal to hire.
Yeah buddy, any day you want to compare the benefits to this country that each has created, let me know. Gates has also paid his taxes unlike your hero.

ROFLMAO...I guess being a simple billionaire gives one an excuse why they are unable to use their wealth to help others who are not in some way providing profits back to themselves. Being a simple billionaire excuses you for creating scam "universities" that bait and switchs students so he can make more money... Let's see...you went into the lawn care business and couldn't compete, went into the trucking business...couldn't compete...it's pretty obvious that you can't use your mind to compete.

Oh, one more thing...Trump isn't a *****? Why then no travel ban on Saudi Arabia? Home of 16 of the 19 9/11 hijackers. Pakistan? Protected and hid Bin Laden. Won't criticize Russia because wealthy Russians are major purchasers of his real estate deals. Won't release his tax returns... Despite laws against conflict of interest, won't relinquish his business holdings to a blind trust as has every other POTUS.

I've already told you Barnie Frank, political thread. I'm waiting on you.

 

[Bill Derington]

Gates has created thousands of high paying technology jobs with great benefits, Trump has created thousands of low paying service jobs most with no benefits. Gates hasn't hired illegal workers because they would work cheaper for him than workers who were legal to hire.
Yeah buddy, any day you want to compare the benefits to this country that each has created, let me know. Gates has also paid his taxes unlike your hero.

ROFLMAO...I guess being a simple billionaire gives one an excuse why they are unable to use their wealth to help others who are not in some way providing profits back to themselves. Being a simple billionaire excuses you for creating scam "universities" that bait and switchs students so he can make more money... Let's see...you went into the lawn care business and couldn't compete, went into the trucking business...couldn't compete...it's pretty obvious that you can't use your mind to compete.

Oh, one more thing...Trump isn't a *****? Why then no travel ban on Saudi Arabia? Home of 16 of the 19 9/11 hijackers. Pakistan? Protected and hid Bin Laden. Won't criticize Russia because wealthy Russians are major purchasers of his real estate deals. Won't release his tax returns... Despite laws against conflict of interest, won't relinquish his business holdings to a blind trust as has every other POTUS.

An executive order is only legal on something that has already been voted on. The President can't just create a list from thin air, all Trump did was make an order that what has been approved as law will be enforced to the T for 3 months, in order to get a handle on our refugee vetting policy.

 

[tammefan]

Basically at my companies last union the reps said we need more money for our retirement. We are gonna raise your dues and working fee's. Keep working hard guys will try and get you that 0.30 raise this year. Pulled out a name from the hat for $25 Texas Roadhouse gift card and left back to Louisville.

 

[PhattyJ4UK_rivals309166]

Gates has created thousands of high paying technology jobs with great benefits, Trump has created thousands of low paying service jobs most with no benefits. Gates hasn't hired illegal workers because they would work cheaper for him than workers who were legal to hire.
Yeah buddy, any day you want to compare the benefits to this country that each has created, let me know. Gates has also paid his taxes unlike your hero.

ROFLMAO...I guess being a simple billionaire gives one an excuse why they are unable to use their wealth to help others who are not in some way providing profits back to themselves. Being a simple billionaire excuses you for creating scam "universities" that bait and switchs students so he can make more money... Let's see...you went into the lawn care business and couldn't compete, went into the trucking business...couldn't compete...it's pretty obvious that you can't use your mind to compete.

Oh, one more thing...Trump isn't a *****? Why then no travel ban on Saudi Arabia? Home of 16 of the 19 9/11 hijackers. Pakistan? Protected and hid Bin Laden. Won't criticize Russia because wealthy Russians are major purchasers of his real estate deals. Won't release his tax returns... Despite laws against conflict of interest, won't relinquish his business holdings to a blind trust as has every other POTUS.

more trump russia bullcrap

 

[tammefan]

No more union dues for me. Thankful KY went right to work. Still have have to live by the contract as there isnt enough support to vote the union out yet. LIUNA Local 576 is ran by some of the dumbest people on earth.

 

[fuzz77]

more trump russia bullcrap

"Won't criticize Russia because wealthy Russians are major purchasers of his real estate deals.". Dude, that is simply a statement of fact.

This and most of the other postings of mine you copied were shortly after the story broke and Trump was denying all ties to Russia. Beyond any shadow of a doubt Trump has ties to Russians. For God sakes he bragged about it before the election. But after the story broke about Russians interfering in the election he suddenly got amnesia...and was denying any and all ties.

Oh my! I didn't automatically accept or reject a story when it first broke...

None of that refutes what I said about Russia's reasons for interfering. Again you seem to have a comprehension problem. Ties to Russia <> colluded with Russians. One is undeniable, the other is a matter of speculation.

 

[TortElvisII]

Member

Shrunk

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

No more union dues for me. Thankful KY went right to work. Still have have to live by the contract as there isnt enough support to vote the union out yet. LIUNA Local 576 is ran by some of the dumbest people on earth.

Lol ur job is gone

 

[WildcatFan1982]

I was in a union when I worked for AT&T. Literally the only presence they had at work was a bulletin board near the break room, and everything on it was 6 months out of date. On my first day our union rep came to talk to us and then I never saw him again. Also since legally (lol) union dues can't be spent on political activities, he encouraged us all to donate to the CWA PAC. If we did we got either a CWA trucker cap or coffee mug. I was the only one that didn't.

 

[jameslee32]

Just own the damn robots.

 

[rmattox]

So who determines what they are "owed"?

They are owed what the market determines they are owed. That's the way our economy works, or should work.

 

[rmattox]

In contrast, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and many other billionaires have made many, many more billions of $$ and have made a practice of using those billions to help people less fortunate than themselves.

All are self-serving. Granted the Gates and Buffetts of the world give away much.....but I'd bet it's after they've stashed a few mil in their own coffers.
Once you have one billion, you really don't need a whole lot more to make ends meet. You can afford to be generous.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

So the Koch brothers political spending over the last few years is the cause of a half century decline in union membership? That's just silly. Also the dems have greatly outspent the GOP in the last three presidential cycles. So don't pretend that the left isn't very well funded by political donations from people like George Soros.

Don’t confuse the snowflakes. They don’t like facts

 

[vhcat70]

There's also a lot of shrinkage amongst union members.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Unionization is basically socialism in the workplace. None of those workers would be in favor of socialism in general. But package it a bit differently, with dem politicians pushing it, and they eat it up.

Im sure rtw makes a difference. No brainer that many want to not have their money confiscated by worthless union leaders

 

[coach-2]

Well when corporations can influence policies through lobby spending, labor loses out.

We should ban lobbying and unions.

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

Great news...

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

Well when corporations can influence policies through lobby spending, labor loses out.

When corporations make more money and the economy is good workers make more money..

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

When corporations make more money and the economy is good workers make more money..

Keep drinking the "Trickle Down" Kool-aid. Corporations want labor as cheap as possible, been that way for ages.

So you believe big business lobbies should influence american politics then.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

Keep drinking the "Trickle Down" Kool-aid. Corporations want labor as cheap as possible, been that way for ages.

So you believe big business lobbies should influence american politics then.

Labor is no different than any other input to producing a product. Business wants to buy materials and capital as inexpensively as they can. However, they do not control the price of any input into their process. The market sets prices of all material and capital. Business cannot get quality labor at a price below what the market believes is the value of that labor. It has nothing to do with "trickle down" economics.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Labor is no different than any other input to producing a product. Business wants to buy materials and capital as inexpensively as they can. However, they do not control the price of any input into their process. The market sets prices of all material and capital. Business cannot get quality labor at a price below what the market believes is the value of that labor. It has nothing to do with "trickle down" economics.

Saying that corporations making more money trickles down to labor making more money is a fantasy.

Yes, business wants materials and capital as cheap as possible, and labor is included.
And if business can't get quality labor at the price they want, they will just hire more H1B's from India.