Waiting before getting the Covid vaccine

Crums Bald Spot

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Had covid late 2020 and would not have even known it had I not lost my taste and smell. Have antibodies, was one of the 99%+ with no real issues, and have concerns over the vaccine being rushed - so I'm going to sit this one out until I see how the vaccine works/long term effects. The caveat is if I'm forced to get a vaccine to travel but I see as soon as that is attempted the lawsuits will fly and this will over by the time the supreme court rules on it.

Again, not an anti vaxxer - just don't see the rushed need in my situation Any others out there? If so, what's your story?
 
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I just finished up brushing my teeth. Admittedly, I'm not the best when remembering to squeeze in a nighttime brushing, but there's something nice about that minty fresh feeling leading up to bedtime. I really should have gotten braces as a kid but it's not something my parents really pushed for and I didn't want to put in the time. Who wants to be a brace face kid? I was too busy playing sports and chasing my dreams. I think I inherited my bad teeth from my mother. Seems like some people are just more predisposed to deal with cavities and dental issues than others, and she's always had the worst luck with that. I don't think my father has been to a dentist in thirty years and he's never had any issues. But now as I'm getting a little older it's these little things that start to occupy more of my time when the sun is hanging low and I'm thinking back about the day. Flossing is something I never did growing up. Something about that little strand of string, I don't know, just seemed kind of girly to me. Did General George S. Patton, Jr. floss? Lemmy Kilmister? How about Jake "The Snake" Roberts? No chance in hell. Look at me, I'm the American Badass with my sour breath and jacked up smile. A rebel's heart. I never had my wisdom teeth pulled either, is that odd? They're partially out/visible from my gums but have never really given me any problems. Perhaps I should get that checked out sometime. The one thing that I really don't like about flossing, beyond the occasional blood, is those little specks of food that end up projecting out and sticking to your bathroom mirror. Not a pleasant sight. Oh well, first world problems I suppose hahaha. Over and out, I love you all.
 

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What side effects are ppl scared of...so far we have nothing more severe than prescriptions ppl don't even think twice about. Take a look at the side effects of the top prescribed meds. The vaccine doesn't change your DNA nor does it sit around in your body forever...so are ppl afraid they grow an extra arm or something? A lot of people don't understand how vaccines and stuff work, which I get, but its not a mysterious chemical theyre putting in your body.

Plus, the technology in the moderna and Pfizer has been studied and tested over a decade, (obviously not applied specificallyto covid 19). We were able to get it out bc govt regulations were taken out of the way...im not sure anyone has ever believed govt has reasonable and efficient anything to begin with.

But to your question, if you don't want to take it, don't. Most ppl are fine even if they get covid.
 

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What side effects are ppl scared of...so far we have nothing more severe than prescriptions ppl don't even think twice about. Take a look at the side effects of the top prescribed meds. The vaccine doesn't change your DNA nor does it sit around in your body forever...so are ppl afraid they grow an extra arm or something? A lot of people don't understand how vaccines and stuff work, which I get, but its not a mysterious chemical theyre putting in your body.

Plus, the technology in the moderna and Pfizer has been studied and tested over a decade, (obviously not applied specificallyto covid 19). We were able to get it out bc govt regulations were taken out of the way...im not sure anyone has ever believed govt has reasonable and efficient anything to begin with.

But to your question, if you don't want to take it, don't. Most ppl are fine even if they get covid.
This is a derivative of the vaccine used to prevent SARS if I’m not mistaken. That development made the development of the COVID-19 vaccine go much more expeditiously.The use of mRNA vaccines have been proven safe in the past.
 

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#1 - The entire dilemma is weighing the benefits and long term side effects of the vaccines and virus against each other. But to properly do so, you have to understand the benefits and long term side effects of each.

#2 - Covid - People focus too much on the overall death rate of Covid. They'll say things like, "There's no need to get a vaccine for something that has a 99+% survival rate." This is a poor way to think about this. Instead of focusing on the survival rate (unless you are elderly....more in a minute), the general populace should focus on the side effects. Many, many studies are indicating that 50% or greater of people that get Covid have significant long lasting cardiac inflammation......which may lead to permanent heart damage......but in a lot of cases certainly does. This occurs regardless of the severity of the symptoms when people have Covid. Now, could these studies be over projecting? Certainly, it's possible. But if the numbers are even fairly close that heart damage (to any degree) is occurring at a significant rate, then this alone might make getting a vaccine worth it. This is also leaving out other side effects like stroke, encephalitis, neurological disorders.......or other side effects. Covid has a hefty wake even though it has a low overall death rate.

Then there's the elderly. It is thought that >50% of Covid deaths are people >70-80 yrs old. And since many of the elderly already are at risk for cardiac and/or neurological pathologies, there are very few reasons why an older person should not get the vaccine.


#3 - Pfizer/Moderna - For starters, mRNA vaccines have been used before and for the most part have had little long term side effects. So the notion that it's new and unproven is relatively inaccurate. It does not change your DNA and they do not use fetal cells for development. The mRNA method of vaccines will likely become "the" method for all vaccines in the future......it's just a matter of time. It's extremely powerful and the uses are extremely impressive. Many have said that the mRNA method may eradicate certain forms of cancer in the future.

It is worth noting that NO CORNERS WERE CUT in the testing and research of the COVID vaccines. They all went through the same standards of testing that anything else has gone through. What was cut was the funding, development/production, red-tape. This is how things were released so quickly. So, the notion that these vaccines were rushed and not tested as much as regular things is incorrect. Also, they didn't have to reinvent the wheel. Corona virus family research and vaccine production has been going on for decades. All they had to do was develop it for the 19 strain.

Now, that being said, while we do know that the previous uses of mRNA vaccines/treatments haven't had too many long term negative side effects, we do not know for certain what the COVID-19 vaccine might do. It is likely to have minimal side effects....if any....but we can't know for certain right now.


#4 - J&J - They use the older method of vaccine production that does use fetal cells in it's development. Certainly negative long term effects have been noted, but they are generally very mild.





Now, this is where my opinion comes in.

-If you are very young....like teenage or less. Covid-19 has a much lower effect on you....and the likelihood of negative side effects is minimal. So, unless you are consistently around the older or feeble, I would NOT get the vaccine.

-If you are middle aged and/or have co-morbidities. This is where the choice gets mixed. Death from Covid "can" occur, but it's lower risk.....but the side effects can be nasty. If you are not around a lot of riskier folks, then I say you might choose not to get the vaccine. But if you weigh all aspects of the choices on a scale, I think it would indicate getting the vaccine for most people.

-For the older crowd......this should be a fairly easy choice. The vast majority should just get the vaccine. There are a few reasons not to.....but it's few.
 

Crums Bald Spot

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Being I had covid with zero short term issues and don't appear to have had longer term issues weighs heavily. While getting the vaccine may lower the possibility of getting it again, so does having antibodies from my previous infection.
 

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Being I had covid with zero short term issues and don't appear to have had longer term issues weighs heavily. While getting the vaccine may lower the possibility of getting it again, so does having antibodies from my previous infection.
I too had covid with only minor symptoms such as a loss of taste and smell and lethargy. You decide for you but I have had both doses of the Moderna vaccine and couldn't be happier. I feel that with my natural antibodies and the vaccine, I should be in pretty good shape.
 

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Most people didnt read OP. Confirmed c19 infection. You are protected for a while, a long while...longer than the vaccines have confirmed. Your body had a more robust and well rounded response to c19, whereas the vaxes focus on the spike protein, which is about 14% of the genome coding.

I wouldnt seek out infection - but natural infection (if survived) is going to be as good or better (or at the very least, more well rounded) than a vax.
 
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I’m going to wait before taking the vaccine until I’m certain there’s not a tracker in there. I’ll be damned if I want someone always knowing where I’m at, or what I’m up to. Scary stuff! I got all the details about the tracker on my Google Home device. I posted all about it on my FB page so my friends are aware of the dangers. I’m thinking of going downtown to the big vaccination site to warn others in person. As soon as I program the address into my car’s nav system, that is. I’ll record the whole thing on my iPhone and might share it here later.
 

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Most people didnt read OP. Confirmed c19 infection. You are protected for a while, a long while...longer than the vaccines have confirmed. Your body had a more robust and well rounded response to c19, whereas the vaxes focus on the spike protein, which is about 14% of the genome coding.

I wouldnt seek out infection - but natural infection (if survived) is going to be as good or better (or at the very least, more well rounded) than a vax.


I caught that. That's why my post was about the general populace and vaccines in general.

-As of right now the best studies who have indicated antibody protection after infection indicate at least 8 months of protection......but this is subject to change because the studies are ongoing.

-Both Pfizer and Moderna have tracked the people who were in the original trials. They have noted absolutely no drop in protection after 6 months since the trials. J&J is still too new to determine anything.

It'll be interesting to see just how long the relatively immunity does last in any case.
 
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Most people didnt read OP. Confirmed c19 infection. You are protected for a while, a long while...longer than the vaccines have confirmed. Your body had a more robust and well rounded response to c19, whereas the vaxes focus on the spike protein, which is about 14% of the genome coding.

I wouldnt seek out infection - but natural infection (if survived) is going to be as good or better (or at the very least, more well rounded) than a vax.
I’m not a doctor and I don’t work in the medical field but I think I have a couple counterpoints. I also had Covid, back in sept. I have been in the mix (public, crowds, etc.) ever since my recovery and I never got reinfected (to my knowledge). However, I have seen from a friend who runs the hospital system in Dayton a sample of the antibodies comparison of someone who has been fully vaccinated vs someone who had covid a couple months prior, and the person with the vaccination had something like 100x more antibodies.

Secondly, while I agree that if you’ve had covid your risk of severe infection is low, I will say that as I understand it, if you get the vaccine on top of it, the first shot of Pfizer or Moderna results in more protection than someone who never had covid who gets both shots. If you don’t want to get vaccinated it’s your decision, but I do think there is merit in doing so.
 

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I’m not a doctor and I don’t work in the medical field but I think I have a couple counterpoints. I also had Covid, back in sept. I have been in the mix (public, crowds, etc.) ever since my recovery and I never got reinfected (to my knowledge). However, I have seen from a friend who runs the hospital system in Dayton a sample of the antibodies comparison of someone who has been fully vaccinated vs someone who had covid a couple months prior, and the person with the vaccination had something like 100x more antibodies.

Secondly, while I agree that if you’ve had covid your risk of severe infection is low, I will say that as I understand it, if you get the vaccine on top of it, the first shot of Pfizer or Moderna results in more protection than someone who never had covid who gets both shots. If you don’t want to get vaccinated it’s your decision, but I do think there is merit in doing so.
Overkill on antibodies isn’t necessarily a winner, especially if they wane more rapidly or to a lower base level (not saying the vaccines do - but a certain of a certain level of ABs is enough, it doesn’t really matter what goes above and beyond it). It’s also just one part of the equation, with T and B cells being just as, if not more important.

The NIH is hopeful that vaccine responses are just as good and long lasting as natural infection, not the other way around. If you go through the infection, there is at least a positive on the other side...and that shouldn’t be downplayed.
 

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I’m going to wait before taking the vaccine until I’m certain there’s not a tracker in there. I’ll be damned if I want someone always knowing where I’m at, or what I’m up to. Scary stuff! I got all the details about the tracker on my Google Home device. I posted all about it on my FB page so my friends are aware of the dangers. I’m thinking of going downtown to the big vaccination site to warn others in person. As soon as I program the address into my car’s nav system, that is. I’ll record the whole thing on my iPhone and might share it here later.
This is smart. The vaccines have rolled out and now there is a microchip shortage. 🤔.
 

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My neighbor felt something in his arm. It kept getting larger. He had Pfizer covid vaccine two month earlier.
He took a box cutter, cut it out, it was a chip he said.
How the hell does that happen?
 

Crums Bald Spot

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Wait all you want. Everyone should have chance to have a shot by July or Sept latest. After that, I really don't care what happens to those that keep waiting. All on them.
I'll take those odds being I have had worse reactuons to ugly women than I did when I had Covid. :)
 

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Vaccine or no vaccine, everyone can help themselves by eating healthier, taking vitamins and exercising more. Obesity is the real pandemic.

This. But nobody wants to talk about that. We know that along with the elderly, obese people struggle with Covid. But let’s promote a sedentary lifestyle and keep people inside. If we actually trained our healthcare system to teach people about nutrition and made it cheaper to eat well, we’d see the benefit.

Additionally, do not get me started about the training that the majority of doctors get on food. In many respects, it’s laughable.
 

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Why? Because someone who already had the virus just 4 months ago is going to wait to get vaccinated?

That’s the intelligent thing to do. Unless you think people vaccinated in January should go get another shot just for the hell of it now as well.

There’s be 71 confirmed reinfections worldwide. 35k possible/probable worldwide...there’s already 5,800 breakthrough vax infections in the US (which is normal). Being infected does provide immunity.
 
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This. But nobody wants to talk about that. We know that along with the elderly, obese people struggle with Covid. But let’s promote a sedentary lifestyle and keep people inside. If we actually trained our healthcare system to teach people about nutrition and made it cheaper to eat well, we’d see the benefit.

Additionally, do not get me started about the training that the majority of doctors get on food. In many respects, it’s laughable.
Well what are you going to do about the whole taste part of eating well? A lot of healthy foods do not taste good.
 

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Why? Because someone who already had the virus just 4 months ago is going to wait to get vaccinated?

That’s the intelligent thing to do. Unless you think people vaccinated in January should go get another shot just for the hell of it now as well.

There’s be 71 confirmed reinfections worldwide. 35k possible/probable worldwide...there’s already 5,800 breakthrough vax infections in the US (which is normal). Being infected does provide immunity.
OP can do what he wants. Probably does have immunity. Who knows how long. I get where he’s coming from.

By July, I’m for fully opening everything and letting Darwin run it’s course. Most of the antivaxxers probably won’t die from it. You got that going for you.

Also, I don’t know if I’m the only one, but every day that passes since being vaccinated I’m more done with the masks. I’m not one of these redneck guys strolling through Walmart with out a mask for a political statement, but at same time, some of it just goofy
 
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I've had both Pfizer shots, no real issues with either one. A little arm soreness after each shot is about it. If there are people worried about side effects out there based on their own personal medical histories I suppose I can see waiting. The sooner we reach some level of herd immunity in this country the better though. That's when life will truly get back to normal. I still wear a mask but it's more for appearances and for the benefit of others than anything.
 
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Had covid late 2020 and would not have even known it had I not lost my taste and smell. Have antibodies, was one of the 99%+ with no real issues, and have concerns over the vaccine being rushed - so I'm going to sit this one out until I see how the vaccine works/long term effects. The caveat is if I'm forced to get a vaccine to travel but I see as soon as that is attempted the lawsuits will fly and this will over by the time the supreme court rules on it.

Again, not an anti vaxxer - just don't see the rushed need in my situation Any others out there? If so, what's your story?
Wise choice. If I were younger, I would not take it either. I had my second shot 2 weeks ago and have been off kilter since. Not sure it is due to the shot or allergies. I do have allergy problems this time of year.
 
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You were one of about 86% with no severe symptoms. Not 99%. 99% is the survival rate.
99.98% survival. And if we are going to parse the 86%... 85% of hospitalizations were either elderly or obese... not just overweight but obese.

Dr Faucci hasn't one time told people to lose weight or exercise...? Unhealthy people can't dictate the lives of healthy people forever.
 
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