Growing up in NC and a fan of Duke and follower of ACC basketball since 1960 I've always had a softube spot in my heart for Wake. Most years they've been underdogs with every now in then having a pretty good team. Always pull for them except when they play Duke. They don't have a lot of fans. To the best I know I've only known two but both are and were good friends since one has passed away. Both were very loyal and stuck it out , never wavering. They have through the years produced some good players, Tim Duncan, Chris Paul and Rodney Roger's who by the way was a man above boys. He is now wheel chair bound though. Up until recently I've never had a problem with a WF player until Brandon Childress. I don't know exactly why he gets under my skin but he does. Any of the rest you dislike him? On a side note I hope the Cameron Crazies give Jay Bilas' son a little love Tuesday night. OFC
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Very simple why I dislike him. The way he went after Grayson Allen after that non skirmish. Real POS move and escalated the situation when he didn’t have to. Literally wrapped him up and sat him down. Could you imagine if it had been Grayson who did that?
That's a lot of it. He's a jerk. Woud love to see him put up a goose egg Tuesday . Hope the Crazies have something special for him.OFC
Thank you that’s the main reason I can’t stand him. He helped carry on the bull crap that GA had to endure that year.
The Chris Paul/Daniel Ewing deal. I still hate Paul. Punkass!
I remember seeing Rodney Rogers in the grocery store in Durham many years ago. The guy was jacked, solid rock. My heart broke when I heard about his accident.
As much as I want to believe Grayson was a golden boy in this situation, I just can’t. There’s never any reason to bring physicality into it and IMO Childress should have been booted for virtually tackling him... But I guarantee he didn’t do it “just to do it.” There’s more than what meets the eye. I love Grayson to death but he was quite the instigator.
Like you , I grew up a few miles down the road from WF-norther Davidson county. Several of my friends went to WF out of High school , this would have been early 60's. Wake had a very good team back then, Billy Packer, Lenny Chapel, Jerry Steele-who I knew very well while working for the HP paper. He was the BB coach at HP college for many years. Who could ever forget Bones McKinney. Guess I was the odd man out, I was a Duke fan back then while most pulled for Wake. Wake was my second team, at least in BB. I still think with the right coach, Wake could field a good BB team. Manning is not that person.
I don’t mind Wake Forest too much. Wasn’t that big of a Chris Paul fan, but I always looked forward to the Duke against Wake Forest games when I was in high school because JJ against Paul was always fun to watch. I always enjoyed watching Tim Duncan when I was little when he was at Wake.
Sky I cannot stand him, and its stemmed from the Grayson situation.Never liked his dad either, and think he has absolutely ZERO business impersonating an assistant coach.
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I got to coach against Rodney Rogers in high school when he played football in the 11th grade. He played tight end and it took about 5 or 6 guys to bring him down. I also got to see him play basketball for Hillside High School as well. He was one of my favorite non Duke players.
@CRAZIE4LIFE and I paid $12 a ticket to go see Tim Duncan get drafted that year in Charlotte.
What in the world could Grayson have done to warrant that? We know he was physical and didn’t take crap from anyone, but he literally did that every game. I don’t think anyone ever has believed Grayson was “golden boy” so I don’t know why you would want to believe that.
Grayson clearly says, “Hey midget, come dry hump me!”
Sky another reason I didnt care for Randolph?? In his playing days after a Wake victory in Durham he intentionally flung the ball into the partisan Duke crowd. He hit a young girl in the face, breaking her glasses. He was forced by Wake people to issue a public apology. Rock doesnt fall far from tree. I have NO ISSUE w/player throwing ball high straight up into the air....OFC
Can’t tell if you’re being snide or serious, but for sake of the latter when you continuously spam someone’s buttons you’re eventually going to warrant a reaction. Like I said, I’m not condoning Childress’s actions but Grayson’s mouth played a role in it and that’s why he was also T’d up.
Generally speaking, I agree.
I think Grayson played with an edge....his reputation didn't make him any friends, either. Because of that reputation, he was challenged more mentally and physically than any recent college player. That he played at Duke only made it worse/more noticeable.
Grayson is one of my favorite Duke players ever. I absolutely love him. At the same time, he kind of made his own bed. Did people get carried away with some of the (negative) coverage? For sure. But Grayson didn't just have one or two incidents.
you should make up your mind. You're saying the action is inexcusable, yet you keep making an excuse for it. Stop playing both sides and take a stance.
100% agree. He definitely had the Kevin Garnett attitude. I loved his edge, that toughness and attitude is a winner’s mentality. As a Duke fan I always 110% supported him through the antics but he certainly made his own bed. Like you said, it wasn’t just a couple incidents.
IF Grayson was running his mouth, that’s going to cause tempers to flare. It’s a two-way street. No, I don’t think anybody has the right to make an altercation physical but it’s hard to think terribly of the guy if he was provoked.
My biggest issue with the thing is it had nothing to do with him. Had Grayson hard fouled Childress and he reacted like that, then yeah I wouldn't care. I'd be with you, but it wasn't him. He hard fouled another guy, who didn't even react, and this little man came flying in from across the court to tackle him. And if he did all of that because he couldn't take some jawing, then I dislike him even more. That's my point.
Yep, people knew Graysons problems and tried to exploit things that weren't there to get under his skin, and Childress is a punk that thinks his last name makes him as good as his daddy.
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Both teams got involved in the whole situation quickly. Majority fights you see whether it be NBA or college are unrelated players in the initial incident because they come to protect their teammates. Grayson got T’d up for saying something distasteful... It’s just impossible to tell whether Childress was in ear-shot of the remark and therefore taunted to react or if he just reacted without reason. Earlier in that game, Childress and Grayson had an exchange of words as well.
We can't admit that Grayson was a punk, whose *** any normal person would want to kick to Greensboro and back, for the same reason that we excuse Laettner for stomping on a player's chest. Because we are Dukies!
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That being said... You want me to pick a side, I’m picking Grayson’s. I don’t side against Duke and I don’t condone tackling a player. I just was basically noting that Grayson wasn’t innocently picked upon.
Majority of fights involve there actually being something and more than 1 guy being involved. There was literally only one guy who got physical and it was Childress. Grayson was t'd up for something unrelated to this incident, I don't know why you're bringing it up. I really don't understand what your point is or why you're making it. The OP asked he dislikes Childress, and I'm giving my reason.
you've just made like 3 posts in a row doing that, so you could have fooled me.
I actually thought he explained himself quite well. Just because someone is apprehensive of letting Grayson completely off the hook doesn’t mean they don’t have his back.
Like I said, I love Grayson....but I’m not going to blindly have his back because of who he plays for. If Grayson played for any other team but Duke, no one here would have his back.
I get what you're saying, but I don't think anyone is letting Grayson off the hook. I already said, if it had been Childress who he tangled up with and he reacted like that, it'd be a non issue. If the dude Grayson had hard fouled had reacted like that, it'd be a non issue. What I said, and have been saying since the beginning, I don't like Childress for flying in from across the court to tackle Grayson when no other player even got remotely physical. Somehow, that statement has devolved into an argument about Grayson getting his comeuppance.
I understood the OP’s question. Quoting the incident you replied with is the only incident that would swing my opinion and therefore I responded to it by saying that I’m undecided on whether or not I dislike him because I can’t cleanly depict whether he was standing up for his teammate and provoked or using the situation to be a dirty player.
I’m just discussing the player / play. I don’t think you’re wrong for your view and I’m not argument hunting. There’s more than one way to look at the situation.
Being unable to determine whether or not I like a player doesn’t mean I side against Duke. I’m sure we all agree that Grayson purposely tripped players, doesn’t mean that we quit having his back.
That's fair enough, you can continue going on saying Childress was in the wrong and in the right at the same time. You're entitled to that. Don't get on me for not liking him for it, however.
Right on - I just quoted your post because it contained the incident I was giving my opinion on. I didn’t mean to combat your opinion on it, but since I quoted your post it probably seemed that way. My bad!
Even with the Allen incident I don't lIke Childress. Allen has nothing to do with it. OFC
Well I don't like you and Allen has nothing to do with that either.
jk, I love you man