Who are the starting 5 ?
Who are the first 4 off the bench ?
Where does the team finish in the ACC regular season ?
Who are the first 4 off the bench ?
Where does the team finish in the ACC regular season ?
Way too early prediction for next season...
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If it goes how it seems we may not even have enough players to play. Everyone seems capable of leaving..kinda scary really
We will struggle next year. Too many new faces and a lot of guys leaving
If we don't get Knox we are totally screwed...and I can't imagine Bamba coming here...I don't know why any Big would choose Duke....
This OAD leaves us paper thin year to year...and we haven't had success with it...2015 looks more and more like and Outlier....it's time to build a "Team" again IMO...
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I honestly think everybody returns except Tatum. They're not ready for that NBA
think maybe back off the 5 or 6 freshman every year. im good with 3 or 4 sprinkled in with veterans.
Starting 5:
Duval
Frank
Trent
Carter
Bolden (Guessing here and definitely think there's a good chance he isn't back next season)
Bench:
Javin
Vrank
Jack
O'Connell
Javin in the starting lineup if Bolden leaves. (I'm guessing Chase transfers.)
Duval
Frank
Trent
Carter
Bolden (Guessing here and definitely think there's a good chance he isn't back next season)
Bench:
Javin
Vrank
Jack
O'Connell
Javin in the starting lineup if Bolden leaves. (I'm guessing Chase transfers.)
No Knox, no good.
I'm trying to stay positive, but it's hard. I'm so sick of losing in the first weekend. Sure, we have a title in 2015 when we caught lightning in a bottle with some ridiculously good freshmen, but it;'s so rare that actually happens. After this, Lehigh, and Mercer, I'm starting to lose faith. No way in hell we should have lost tonight with the amount of talent we have, South Carolina has been average all season, painfully so.
I'm trying to stay positive, but it's hard. I'm so sick of losing in the first weekend. Sure, we have a title in 2015 when we caught lightning in a bottle with some ridiculously good freshmen, but it;'s so rare that actually happens. After this, Lehigh, and Mercer, I'm starting to lose faith. No way in hell we should have lost tonight with the amount of talent we have, South Carolina has been average all season, painfully so.
Rumor has it Duke will seek a medical redshirt for Chase. If that's the case, then it's unlikely, IMO, he would transfer if that's been the plan. We'll see.
For next season, it's really hard to tell. Frank is going to be outstanding. I like the talent we're bringing in and feelit can be really fun with Duval. The big problem, as I see it, is a lack of veteran leadership. We'll be incredibly short handed when it comes to upperclassmen. I don't like that.
I'll take next season even though we will lack upper class men look positive.
If Duke gets Duval, that's a true pg and some one Jackson can really learn from.
Duke will have Trent Jr and O'Connell at sg.
Jack White at Sf with Javin being able to spell him for defense(I'm not saying Javin is a stretch four). That leave Carter and Big V and Javin and one of atleast Jeter or Bolden.
Big V improved, we know Carter can play and Jackson. Duval and Trent as well. That's five players and White, Javin, Jeter ( hopefully) and O'Connell and maybe Bolden. There are minutes to get it depends who wants them.
If Duke gets Duval, that's a true pg and some one Jackson can really learn from.
Duke will have Trent Jr and O'Connell at sg.
Jack White at Sf with Javin being able to spell him for defense(I'm not saying Javin is a stretch four). That leave Carter and Big V and Javin and one of atleast Jeter or Bolden.
Big V improved, we know Carter can play and Jackson. Duval and Trent as well. That's five players and White, Javin, Jeter ( hopefully) and O'Connell and maybe Bolden. There are minutes to get it depends who wants them.
My prediction. We will win a lot of games, it will be a roller coaster, and Coach K will continue to be a better Man than Dean/Roy ever were.
Does it matter...Clearly the sky is going to fall before then. I mean how can freshmen be expected to win games, as we all know they only come to Duke to roll their ankles and tweak their knees so our medical staff can treat them for free. I mean this team clearly lost because of OAD players like Jones, Jefferson, Allen, and Kennard getting all the PT. We really need to develop some juniors and seniors to play a role in March.
Next year will be a rough year, if we lose everyone. We desperately need Duvall.
If we manage to keep Grayson and Luke, and land Duvall, then we are in good shape.
If we manage to keep them both, land Duvall AND Knox, then we are in very good shape.
If we manage to keep Grayson and Luke, and land Duvall, then we are in good shape.
If we manage to keep them both, land Duvall AND Knox, then we are in very good shape.
I don't have a problem with the OAD method l, but at the same time K needs to evaluate. If he feels that these OAD's cannot possibly pick up his man-to-man defense in one season, I'd say it's time to change direction and possibly only bring in one OAD per year.
Defense is the key. If K feels you need upperclassmen to actually play Duke defense, then that's the way we should go. Gotta be truthful with ourselves about it. Can't win championships without defense and rebounding.
Defense is the key. If K feels you need upperclassmen to actually play Duke defense, then that's the way we should go. Gotta be truthful with ourselves about it. Can't win championships without defense and rebounding.
Coach K needs to stop developing his players so fast! Luke should've been a 4 year player ala Redick. Winslow and Tyus would've been seniors next year. I'm sure once Javin gets a year of normal playing time he will be a lottery pick. That's the biggest problem we have. If only K knew how to stall development like Roy, we would be in great shape.
I'm going to have to disagree with those wanting K to move away from OADs. I'm sorry you need elite talent just to compete at the highest level. Sure, sometimes, things don't go as planned and recruits don't always pan out, but give me those elite players anyday.
Name another program that could absorb as much crap as we did this season. Name them? Even Calipari went to an NIT with all of his OADs and they play in a league that isn't that difficult. We can't hide our young freshmen because the league is so difficult.
Name another program that could absorb as much crap as we did this season. Name them? Even Calipari went to an NIT with all of his OADs and they play in a league that isn't that difficult. We can't hide our young freshmen because the league is so difficult.
The answer is, Duke will be fine, it will be better than 90% of the teams out there, there will be good and bad surprises, and the true Duke fans who are with Duke through thick and thin will become attached to our players and miss them when they move on. Just like this year and virtually every year before this one.
At this point, I don't see Grayson as an NBA player. Granted, I think he was playing hurt most of the year. But his quickness seems to be severely lacking. Maybe he could find a roster spot as a shooter to come in for specific situations, but I don't see him as being quick enough to guard most NBA two guards.
i think we need duval. knox not so much. coach and staff need to learn how to develop and play the bigs we have on the roster if they dont all transfer. tired of getting whipped by teams with bigs who are not even rated in high school. bigs are slower to develop but it seems like we dont even give them a chance.
How do we play better as a team next year? The issue with this team was that everyone seemed to just look out for themselves this year minus that spurt against Notre Dame. For the most part, Kennard, Grayson, and Tatum took turns playing really well in games and we never had a solid team game. In 2015 we actually had a team that played together and was family. That went back to when Justise, Tyus, and Jahlil played together way back and then we sprinkled in Quinn who was the heart and soul. The problem with the one and done is that the package deal of those three is very rare. You look at UNC and I envy that they play so well as a team, which stems from players sticking around and playing together for more than a year. It's a problem that I don't think we can fix by next year.
I think all you guys whining about we shouldn't recruit one and done players are hilarious. WTF are you even saying? You don't want us to recruit one and dones.....but your PRAYING we land Duval, Knox and Bamba. LOL! Sooooo, maybe K should knock the top 25 players for next year off his list and start recruiting under that? Cmon man, K recruits the top dogs, ITS NEVER BEEN ANY DIFFERENT ! NEVER ! If we land Trevon and combine him with who returns along with our new recruits, that's a great team. I'm doubting our top 4 miss 10 games because they are all injured next season, maybe that's just me. Maybe you wanna let Wendell and Gary Trent go and grab a couple 3 stars, build a team. I'll pass. Damn, i'm hurt we lost early to, but are we seriously just throwing in the towel for next season...NOW?
Thank you for saving me the typing. I'm with you here. I don't understand the about face because we got beat up in one game. Our approach is solid, we were just missing a point guard and were plagued with injuries all season. Let's reload and try again.
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I rarely post on the free board mostly on the premium board but I said this in another thread. If you have prospects that are OAD and want Duke to recruit you if your Duke do you say NO? To me it's easy and it's yes we will recruit you. I brought up the years 2005-2009 because honestly those hurt worse to me because because and this is just me Duke wasn't recruiting at a high level and were missing on guys. Right now Duke is recruiting fine to me and Duke will be fine long term. The bottom line is you can't have your cake and it eat to and what I mean is go the multi year route and get to the Final 4 every year or go the OAD route either it's not that simple at least to me it's not. Just my thoughts
I rarely post on the free board mostly on the premium board but I said this in another thread. If you have prospects that are OAD and want Duke to recruit you if your Duke do you say NO? To me it's easy and it's yes we will recruit you. I brought up the years 2005-2009 because honestly those hurt worse to me because because and this is just me Duke wasn't recruiting at a high level and were missing on guys. Right now Duke is recruiting fine to me and Duke will be fine long term. The bottom line is you can't have your cake and it eat to and what I mean is go the multi year route and get to the Final 4 every year or go the OAD route either it's not that simple at least to me it's not. Just my thoughts
This year shouldn't result in any knee-jerk reactions and desire for philosophical changes in the program. Of all the years I have watched Duke basketball, this is probably the worst one to use for judgement. The amount of adversity and obstacles this team faced is absolutely comical, and isn't likely to ever happen again.
And the answer to the general question is easy: if you have the opportunity to get guys like Parker, Okafor, Winslow, Jones, Ingram, Tatum, etc., you say yes 1000 times out of 1000.
And the answer to the general question is easy: if you have the opportunity to get guys like Parker, Okafor, Winslow, Jones, Ingram, Tatum, etc., you say yes 1000 times out of 1000.
I'm all for getting the one and dones I just don't think we will get many next year. If you're going for the OAD approach you can't have an off year recruiting. Currently only two possible OADs and not that much playing experience left over from this year if worst case scenario happens. If we get Duval, Knox, and keep a player or two, I'm all the way back. We will see what happens.
We will be damn good this season, stand by!
I didn't start this to say we don't need to recruit top talent but it's clear the one and done formula doesn't work outside of 2015 and 2012. I just feel the one and done philosophy bites you in the butt way more than helps you. IF we had a healthy mix we would be fine but you can't have a healthy mix when u bring in guys that will be four year players but you give them no burn
Duke had multi year guys this year. People don't want to hear this but injuries hurt this team a great deal this year. I know people will say what about Vrank and DeLaurier and I get that but the season is done now and hopefully Duke plays those guys next year
I don't see any reason why we won't, 'cause I can't hardly remember when we weren't.
Fans are spoiled, I don't think some have any idea what it's like to be not very good.
OFC
Would you rather have a natty every 5 years with the other 4 years losing first weekend or have consistent elite 8's, final fours, and losing in the champ? I'm taking the nattys and lulls without a doubt.
It's funny how people were crying throughout the year that we didn't play Chase, Javin, Vrank, Jack White and now we barely recognize their existence when complaining that we have nothing next year.
Now I don't know which one of that group will contribute next year, but I still find it funny when we as a fan base criticize coaching decisions regarding time management and then write these players off as the sky is falling when thinking which rotation players won't be back next year.
Now I don't know which one of that group will contribute next year, but I still find it funny when we as a fan base criticize coaching decisions regarding time management and then write these players off as the sky is falling when thinking which rotation players won't be back next year.
This is a great point. Javin has all the tools to be an amazing SF. He's no Tatum on offense, but Tatum wasn't exactly elite on defense for most of the year. I'm along for the ride. Whoever wants to put on the blue and white, I'm ready to watch them fight and grow. The Gamecocks didn't have tons of paper talent, and they whipped us good. If we play with that kind of cohesiveness and fire next season, we'll be right up there again. You only need one or two star players and a great supporting cast to go the distance. We faltered in the round of 32 this season. Ante up and play again.
I think people are a bit gun-shy about making statements about how good we will be because A) we have no real idea who will be back and B) we just saw maybe Duke's most highly touted recruiting class fail (not assigning blame) to live up to expectations (which may have been too high.)
If we end up with a lineup of...
Jackson
Trent
OC?
Carter
Bolden or Jeter
With the bench we would have... well, that could be rough.