I think I've thought of the solution to the one and done problem. I believe they should take the 10 highest rated high school players on the NBA scouts radar and let those players go to the draft combine. Once they get the feedback and projections, they can decide if they want to still take the chance of going or going to college for two years. If you drop to the second round grade, you automatically have to go to college for two years. This satisfies high school top recruits, college and the NBA. His school players can go straight out of college. College get these top players for multiple years. The NBA get more seasoned players coming in.
What do you think about this idea?
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My problem with this idea is that the rankings are too subjective. Would be tough to come to a consensus top-10.
The NBA scouts would have to come together and find the most common players on each board.
There's also the bigger issue of further regulating the choices adults can make to earn a living.
I'm such a CBB fan, and such not an NBA fan, that I really want some rule in place that eliminates the OAD phenomenon. But I just have a problem with telling a 19-year old man he's not allowed to go to the NBA and earn millions after one year of college ball.
In truth, I think the better bet is to eliminate the rule regarding kids going straight from HS. If everyone was allowed to go to the NBA out of HS, you'd probably end up with half as many OADs. Sure, we'd miss out on seeing the Ben Simmons play college ball, but I don't think our status as fans trumps Ben's right to pursue his dream when he decides he's ready.
I'm such a CBB fan, and such not an NBA fan, that I really want some rule in place that eliminates the OAD phenomenon. But I just have a problem with telling a 19-year old man he's not allowed to go to the NBA and earn millions after one year of college ball.
In truth, I think the better bet is to eliminate the rule regarding kids going straight from HS. If everyone was allowed to go to the NBA out of HS, you'd probably end up with half as many OADs. Sure, we'd miss out on seeing the Ben Simmons play college ball, but I don't think our status as fans trumps Ben's right to pursue his dream when he decides he's ready.
Well they aren't going to change it. If anything they'll make it two and done if people keep complaining about the one and done. They aren't trying to get kids straight out of high school. Even before the one and done, there weren't many players straight out of high school that succeeded. There are a few but the numbers aren't great. Plus with the way AAU Basketball and High School basketball is being coached, a lot of these kids lack skills and the IQ to succeed in the league. They can always go the European route if they want to make money for a year. My way pleases everyone. If you're a top player who scouts believe can make it, you go to the draft combine and show your skills against seasoned college players. You can go to college if you aren't projected in the first round.
NBA Executives got burned from some of the High School Kids that were drafted in the lottery in the Early 2000's. Kids like Kwame Brown, Jonathan Bender, and Darius Miles obviously didn't merit consideration for a top-5 pick. OAD rule allows management enough time to evaluate top prospects against top-level competition while they're still young and developing teenagers. Kwame Brown pulling in 30 pts and 20 rebounds against 6'4 17-year old kids does very little to gauge how he can perform on the highest level. This rule is a great way for management to protect themselves a little bit - and not take crazy, stupid, risky picks on 18 year-old kids that have never faced an imposing defensive team. Once management has seen the top 18 and 19 year-olds against legitimate competition, they want them as soon as possible.
Kids should be allowed to go straight to the league. But NBA Executives love the rule and I doubt we'll see it go away anytime soon.
Kids should be allowed to go straight to the league. But NBA Executives love the rule and I doubt we'll see it go away anytime soon.
You're right. That's why I say include the top 10 highest rated high school prospects in the draft combine to see what they can do. If they are successful and get a high pick projection then let them go. At least the execs can see them against seasoned college stars. I don't have a problem with the one and done rule at this point because majority of these kids can't shoot or create their own shot nowadays. It's literally fast break all day in AAU. It's AAU fault they created the rule if you ask me.
Still a lot of uncertainty. Especially when you can only see those prospects in a very small sample size.
They pretty much draft off potential so all a prospect has to do is show a Lil something and they'll draft them in the first round. I just thought of this because it's a way to somewhat help all parties simultaneously
I hate the OAD thing because I selfishly want to keep the better players around for more than 1 year, but I think its very unfair and a double standard to tell a kid he can join the military and lose his life defending our country, but he isn't old enough to play in the NBA. Just doesn't seem right?
It doesn't please the young adults who want to take their shot at pursuing their NBA dreams after one year of college. And it's their career choices we're talking about. I think their interests should be valued more than my interests as a fan who longs for the days of Laettner and G Hill staying all four years.
As for the NBA execs, if they don't like a particular 19 year old they don't have to draft him.
If the nba is able to build on the D-league as an actual minor league system...then I think the OAD rule may go away.
Part of the issue is the kids who entered the draft out of high school...didn't get drafted and couldn't go back.
Of course now those kids are forced to go to college when they have no interest in being there.
Part of the issue is the kids who entered the draft out of high school...didn't get drafted and couldn't go back.
Of course now those kids are forced to go to college when they have no interest in being there.
No one complains about college football having to stay 3 years. I don't understand how ppl complain about basketball. It's just one year. If you're not good enough to play yet they aren't going to pick you anyway. This is exactly why I said they should select about 10 high school players to do the draft combine and enter at their own risk. I bet every player that ends up in the d-league hoped the stayed in college that extra year. You play for nickels in an empty gym. Like I said before they can always go across seas and play. They aren't forced to go to college.
It's not about them pursuing their dreams though. It's about the NBA building it's brand like every business in the world. People get emotional about this and forget that it's a business. NBA doesn't want young undeveloped players in its league straight out of high school. Majority wont even make the team anyway. If you have a business and you have a criteria, would you change it because people complain about the experience you require applicants to have?
Europe is always an option. They aren't forced to go to college at all. They have options. The d-league and college is no different. I know players that play in the d-league and they said you get more perks playing in college. College athletes get taken care of pretty good at the major schools. I was an athlete and it was smoothe sailing for me Especially staying on campus.
I'm confused... Didn't you start this thread with the idea of changing the NBA's criteria?
Right now the NBA's "criteria" is they don't let kids come in straight out of high school. You proposed changing that "criteria" for a select group of kids.
But now you're critical of people suggesting changes to the NBA's criteria?
I like your idea even if it needs some tweaking. I am all for letting HS players to go to the NBA, and I do think it would cut back on OAD's.
For the record as a (selfish) CBB fan I would much rather watch a good college player develop into a great college player the over course of a 4 year career than watch elite talent out of HS play for one or two years in college. I suspect I am in the minority on that though.
Alan
For the record as a (selfish) CBB fan I would much rather watch a good college player develop into a great college player the over course of a 4 year career than watch elite talent out of HS play for one or two years in college. I suspect I am in the minority on that though.
Alan
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I'm saying this for people that keeping using the "if you can go to the military why can't you go to the NBA". That's just a dumb argument. Military is all about having as many ppl as possible. This is why they want you as soon as you get out of high school. NBA cares about the product on the floor. I acknowledge that every few years there's a few high school players that can make the jump which is why I said give those select few a chance to make it. Other than that you have two years to show what you can do against men in college. The longer you're in college the better you are in the league. Damn near all the all time greats stayed multiple years in college (when there was a no rule)
Problem I see is that you actually think the guys that do the rankings actually know WTF they are doing.
I said NBA Scouts. They're the ones that actually have an opinion in who's going to get drafted
Wrong.
The military isn't about "having as many people as possible." They turn away a bunch of people for a number of reasons. The military is all about having the RIGHT people at the RIGHT time. So I think the analogy is actually a pretty good one.
Military isn't selecting the best of the best. Someone with no experience in ROTC can just walk in there, pass a test and become a soldier. It's completely different. NBA only accepting stars or potential stars.
Lol who compared the military to the NBA?
You can no longer just take a test and go to the military. Why you think the numbers are down.
I do think kids should be able to go straight out of HS. If there is already all these ranking systems and annylist saying they are ready also with people in their ear saying they are.
It's no ones fault but the kids if they bust or don't get drafted.
Look at the lynnie Cook story. Kids thank everyone when they are right and blame every one when they aren't.
You can no longer just take a test and go to the military. Why you think the numbers are down.
I do think kids should be able to go straight out of HS. If there is already all these ranking systems and annylist saying they are ready also with people in their ear saying they are.
It's no ones fault but the kids if they bust or don't get drafted.
Look at the lynnie Cook story. Kids thank everyone when they are right and blame every one when they aren't.
That's why I said you take the best 10 high school players and put them in the combine. If they come out of that with a good draft grade then they can stay in the draft. If not go to the college you committed to. It's simple. Let the NBA scouts put together a list of the top 10
I never said someone compared the two. People always use that stupid analogy. You know you've heard it. Only reason the military numbers are smaller now is because of the budget cuts. If it wasn't for that it would be pretty easy to get in if you pass the few tests.
I'm for trying something different than they have now. College basketball has become a minor league system for the NBA. The NBA could change things for the better if they wanted to. I think it should be the same as baseball. Sign right out of high school or give 3 years of college. Expand the D league ans have another round or two of the draft. Let the NBA have their own minor league system. I hate the OAD. OFC
I just don't see why a player would want to go to the d-league. You get treated much better than d league players in college.
So does baseball players in college. Let it be their choice. It may be quite a few declaring the 2 or 3 years but I bet you things would settle down and there would be a lot more really good players as juniors. It would be both a better college game and pro game and the kids would be closer to getting that degree. OFC
I agree. I just assume these players go from high school to pros.l as opposed to that slight attachment we get watching them for a year
Depends the military is nothing like it used to be. To many regulations now to get in and that's for every branch has different test.
My only problem with the ten, is that they will say why not go 15. But I do like the idea but I say let the kids go to a combine and then decide but I mean all of them who think they are ready. They are gonna do as they see any way so let them live with it.
I think as long as the team that drafts you sends you to the dleague your good because atleast them you get the league minimum which I think is 250,000. Not being drafted and going to the dleague sucks but they still get paid like 30,000 which you could earn more a year with a college degree but it's their choice.