What does this season mean for PSU Football/CJF?

[Calabrin]

I don't give a crap about anything Joel Klatt says, but I saw an article today where he mentioned the Oregon game being something of a "boiling point" for Franklin, and that got me thinking: is there, indeed, more on the line this season than ever before? Is this a make-or-break year for Franklin at Penn State?

We all know the successes. We know the struggles. We know the failures.

And we know the expectations in 2025 for this program extend beyond the typical Penn State faithful. Penn State is a heavy favorite to make the playoffs, and they're likely to be sniffing around the top of the rankings at the outset of the season. In the new EA Sports College Football '26 (release date: July 10), Penn State is one of the highest rated teams, and we are prominently featured on the game's website: https://www.ea.com/games/ea-sports-...otball-26/news/welcome-to-college-football-26

We have two eyebrow raising road games this year: Oct. 18 @ Iowa (who always plays us tough and has dealt us some signature heartbreaking defeats over the years), and Nov. 1 @ Ohio State (do we really need to rehash our history with this opponent?).

Other than that, the schedule heavily favors the Nittany Lions. Oregon: home. Indiana: home. Nebraska: home.

What do people think? Is Klatt right? If Franklin dumps to Oregon in front of a packed Beaver Stadium and a national television audience in game-4, could that be the final straw? Or would an otherwise successful season and a deep run in the playoffs be enough to air out the stench of yet another loss to yet another tough opponent?

What about the potential to go undefeated if the Nittany Lions prevail over the Ducks? Would an upset loss to another team be a significant blow to Franklin? Would yet another defeat at the hands of the Buckeyes signal that the program has reached a hard ceiling under Franklin, and he'll just never get over this hump?

One thing is for sure: a NC this year would be Franklin's coronation in Happy Valley. It would be his JoePa 1982 moment. I suspect he'd be bulletproof thereafter.

But anything less...? Then what?

 

[cjrugger]

James would have to miss the playoffs to start any sort of discussion about firing him

 

[Midnighter]

James would have to miss the playoffs to start any sort of discussion about firing him

This. Think the likelihood that he leaves for another job is way higher than him being let go for any reason (noting both are very, very low IMO). Playoff gives him a lot more runway assuming he makes it; think he gets a few years making it before the demands for a NC get loud.

 

[rigi19040]

I don't give a crap about anything Joel Klatt says, but I saw an article today where he mentioned the Oregon game being something of a "boiling point" for Franklin, and that got me thinking: is there, indeed, more on the line this season than ever before? Is this a make-or-break year for Franklin at Penn State?

We all know the successes. We know the struggles. We know the failures.

And we know the expectations in 2025 for this program extend beyond the typical Penn State faithful. Penn State is a heavy favorite to make the playoffs, and they're likely to be sniffing around the top of the rankings at the outset of the season. In the new EA Sports College Football '26 (release date: July 10), Penn State is one of the highest rated teams, and we are prominently featured on the game's website: https://www.ea.com/games/ea-sports-...otball-26/news/welcome-to-college-football-26

We have two eyebrow raising road games this year: Oct. 18 @ Iowa (who always plays us tough and has dealt us some signature heartbreaking defeats over the years), and Nov. 1 @ Ohio State (do we really need to rehash our history with this opponent?).

Other than that, the schedule heavily favors the Nittany Lions. Oregon: home. Indiana: home. Nebraska: home.

What do people think? Is Klatt right? If Franklin dumps to Oregon in front of a packed Beaver Stadium and a national television audience in game-4, could that be the final straw? Or would an otherwise successful season and a deep run in the playoffs be enough to air out the stench of yet another loss to yet another tough opponent?

What about the potential to go undefeated if the Nittany Lions prevail over the Ducks? Would an upset loss to another team be a significant blow to Franklin? Would yet another defeat at the hands of the Buckeyes signal that the program has reached a hard ceiling under Franklin, and he'll just never get over this hump?

One thing is for sure: a NC this year would be Franklin's coronation in Happy Valley. It would be his JoePa 1982 moment. I suspect he'd be bulletproof thereafter.

But anything less...? Then what?

Hasnt Klatt and company been saying that for about 8 years?

Were the OSU losses make or break?

You dont care what Klatt says but you obviously do care.

 

[CVLion]

As a long-time Penn State fan, I never get too caught up in the thought of specific “implications” or “meaning” for a given season. The vast, vast majority of the time we seem to do pretty well, maybe have a few disappointing/frustrating games, and move on to the next season.

I’m thinking both of Franklin’s entire tenure and a good number of years at the tail end of Joe’s career as I say this.

I do agree that a Natty would likely cement Franklin’s place here for good long while to come. Other than that, I feel it would have to be a pretty crappy season indeed to have any real ramifications in the other direction.

It’s highly likely to be somewhere in between, though I’m allowing myself a smidgen of hope around the NC possibility.

 

[ApexLion]

I see it as very similar to when Roy Williams was coaching at Kansas. The question became when, not if, for their fans. Like Roy, Franklin may win it all during a year when expectations are not at this sky-high level.

 

[bdgan]

I don't think Franklin is going to get fired but this is certainly an important year for PSU football. Recruits want to play for a winning program and many will likely lose confidence in PSU if they lay an egg this fall.

A lot of PSU's success last year (and hopefully this year) is due to the 6th ranked 2022 recruiting class. Next year Allar, Singleton, Allen, Harris, and some OL are gone and will be replaced with players from lower ranked classes. If not this year, when? I think another top 5 finish would buy us some goodwill while we rebuild. 9-3 and missing the playoffs would kill all of the momentum.

 

[Calabrin]

Hasnt Klatt and company been saying that for about 8 years?

Were the OSU losses make or break?

You dont care what Klatt says but you obviously do care.

I don't care about Klatt. But the article did get me thinking about outcomes for the season, and possible fallout.

 

[Calabrin]

I don't think Franklin is going to get fired but this is certainly an important year for PSU football. Recruits want to play for a winning program and many will likely lose confidence in PSU if they lay an egg this fall.

A lot of PSU's success last year (and hopefully this year) is due to the 6th ranked 2022 recruiting class. Next year Allar, Singleton, Allen, Harris, and some OL are gone and will be replaced with players from lower ranked classes. If not this year, when? I think another top 5 finish would buy us some goodwill while we rebuild. 9-3 and missing the playoffs would kill all of the momentum.

Yeah, see, I'm in a similar headspace. I don't understand how anyone goes into this season and shrugs if they go 10-2 again with losses to Oregon and Ohio State.

What is gained by being a cultist? At some point, you have to realize we're piling up wins against weak and OK teams, and never beating anyone that's truly good. If people don't see that as a problem, it's absolutely reasonable to ask, "why?"

If we can't win this year (or at least make a legit run at it, and not simply trip over ourselves whenever we play a decent opponent -- Notre Dame, anyone?) then when might we expect something more than being an also-ran?

 

[LionsAndBears]

Our fanbase isn't unrealistic like some fanbases. I can't imagine CJF being in a Win It All or get fired scenario. That's just not us and anyone on the outside talking that kind of noise doesn't understand PSU or our culture.

Minus any significant injuries CJF only needs to have us in contention for The B1G Title and get us into the playoffs and avoid a playoff upset to keep the majority of our fans satisfied.

 

[Calabrin]

Our fanbase isn't unrealistic like some fanbases. I can't imagine CJF being in a Win It All or get fired scenario. That's just not us and anyone on the outside talking that kind of noise doesn't understand PSU or our culture.

Minus any significant injuries CJF only needs to have us in contention for The B1G Title and get us into the playoffs and avoid a playoff upset to keep the majority of our fans satisfied.

I think it is reasonable to see Penn State as a perennial A-tier football program, and ask, "What is it going to take to get us to the S-tier (at least SOMETIMES), and why can't we seem to get there?"

I think when you refer to our "culture" that there are actually two distinct sides. It's not a hive mind.

There are those that shrug and go, "Hey, we're not Ohio State, so it's ok that we lose to them every single year." And there are those that say, "This is ridiculous. We should expect to beat Ohio State more than 1 time in 11 tries."

I'm firmly in that second camp, and I don't understand the attitude of the people in the first camp.

 

[Nitt1300]

college football? isn't that over?

 

[LionJim]

I think it is reasonable to see Penn State as a perennial A-tier football program, and ask, "What is it going to take to get us to the S-tier (at least SOMETIMES), and why can't we seem to get there?"

I think when you refer to our "culture" that there are actually two distinct sides. It's not a hive mind.

There are those that shrug and go, "Hey, we're not Ohio State, so it's ok that we lose to them every single year." And there are those that say, "This is ridiculous. We should expect to beat Ohio State more than 1 time in 11 tries."

I'm firmly in that second camp, and I don't understand the attitude of the people in the first camp.

Honestly, I have to think that the percentage of PSU fans in the “first camp” is 0.5%, thereabouts, 1 in 200.

 

[Marshall2323]

Unrealistic expectations usually result in fanboy tears. LSU, Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Tennessee, USC, Notre Dame, Clemson, Miami, Ohio State and Oregon among others will play in the same sandbox as dear old state. I remember 2012 and 2013. This is fun. I'll never sneeze at 10 or 11 wins.

 

[cjrugger]

Yeah, see, I'm in a similar headspace. I don't understand how anyone goes into this season and shrugs if they go 10-2 again with losses to Oregon and Ohio State.

What is gained by being a cultist? At some point, you have to realize we're piling up wins against weak and OK teams, and never beating anyone that's truly good. If people don't see that as a problem, it's absolutely reasonable to ask, "why?"

If we can't win this year (or at least make a legit run at it, and not simply trip over ourselves whenever we play a decent opponent -- Notre Dame, anyone?) then when might we expect something more than being an also-ran?

At 10-2 the season is just beginning. Do you care what happens in September/October if they’re winning huge games in December/January?

 

[Midnighter]

I think it is reasonable to see Penn State as a perennial A-tier football program, and ask, "What is it going to take to get us to the S-tier (at least SOMETIMES), and why can't we seem to get there?"

I think when you refer to our "culture" that there are actually two distinct sides. It's not a hive mind.

There are those that shrug and go, "Hey, we're not Ohio State, so it's ok that we lose to them every single year." And there are those that say, "This is ridiculous. We should expect to beat Ohio State more than 1 time in 11 tries."

I'm firmly in that second camp, and I don't understand the attitude of the people in the first camp.

Slightly OT - but when/how did you start using ‘S-Tier’ to rank things? Genuinely curious since to me, it’s origin is very specific.

 

[CVLion]

I think it is reasonable to see Penn State as a perennial A-tier football program, and ask, "What is it going to take to get us to the S-tier (at least SOMETIMES), and why can't we seem to get there?"

I think when you refer to our "culture" that there are actually two distinct sides. It's not a hive mind.

There are those that shrug and go, "Hey, we're not Ohio State, so it's ok that we lose to them every single year." And there are those that say, "This is ridiculous. We should expect to beat Ohio State more than 1 time in 11 tries."

I'm firmly in that second camp, and I don't understand the attitude of the people in the first camp.

I’m kind of in between these two camps. I by no means feel it’s “OK” to lose to OSU repeatedly, but I’m also numb-ish enough to it not to freak out too much.

I kind of became inoculated against that sort of thing around loss number 7 or 8 out of the 9 in a row we dropped to Michigan back in the day.

Eventually we beat them again, though not as many times as I would like. The same will happen with OSU at some point. And should we do better than that and actually go above .500 against the Buckeyes over some future stretch of seasons, awesome. I’m just not going to hold my breath waiting for it… life provides enough other stressors.

All this from a former junkie whose entire week used to be utterly ruined by ANY Penn State loss. I’m far more at peace under my current stance.

 

[Marshall2323]

At 10-2 the season is just beginning. Do you care what happens in September/October if they’re winning huge games in December/January?

Qualifying for the tournament is now the goal of the regular season. The winner must be peaking at that time....and be relatively healthy.

 

[Marshall2323]

I think there are something like 65 p4 programs. Last season, I believe 4 won 13 or more games. Not disputing how enjoyable it would be to watch PSU take that one step up. However, with 2012 seared into my consciousness, I'm not going to take for granted what Franklin has accomplished.
This is an entirely new era. A new process. As an analogy, the NY Yankees have won 27 World Championships. Since the expanded wild card series (2012), 0,zilch. I wonder how many rings they would have if those teams of the 30s and 50s had to win the tournament as currently constructed?
I take issue with the characterization that any colllege football team accumulates 10 wins over "nobodies." I've heard a rumor that other universities are paying their coaches 5 plus million dollars, building state of the art facilities and paying their players scholarships, NIL and revenue sharing dollars. Do they spend this money to play the annual foil of Penn State Football? Each week half the teams that compete lose. Winning consistently is hard. Does anyone recall that Northern Illinois beat Notre Dame at home last season? Imagine the scene at Beaver Stadium if that ever occured there?
We deserve better!

 

[LionsAndBears]

There are those that shrug and go, "Hey, we're not Ohio State, so it's ok that we lose to them every single year." And there are those that say, "This is ridiculous. We should expect to beat Ohio State more than 1 time in 11 tries."

I'm firmly in that second camp, and I don't understand the attitude of the people in the first camp.

I don't know anyone who thinks it's okay to lose to OSU every year like we have recently. We should expect to be around .500 with them.

 

[DaytonRickster]

Qualifying for the tournament is now the goal of the regular season. The winner must be peaking at that time....and be relatively healthy.

Yes, qualifying and having a healthy roster for the playoffs are critical.

 

[Marshall2323]

I don't know anyone who thinks it's okay to lose to OSU every year like we have recently. We should expect to be around .500 with them.

It's not "ok." However, OSU has lost in conference 9 times in the last 14 years. Everyone would love to be .500 vs OSU

 

[bdgan]

I don't know anyone who thinks it's okay to lose to OSU every year like we have recently. We should expect to be around .500 with them.

.500 is unrealistic. I read last year that OSU had $20m of NIL compared to PSU with 13 million. That's difficult to overcome. I think .333 would be a reasonable expectation. .090 is completely unacceptable.

 

[Calabrin]

Honestly, I have to think that the percentage of PSU fans in the “first camp” is 0.5%, thereabouts, 1 in 200.

I'd love to believe that, but the vitriol that's sometimes spit on this message board seems to indicate otherwise.

There are a LOT of people on here that seem to be fine with losing all of our tough games every year. Maybe you can argue, "It's a loud minority." That could be true. But it doesn't make it any less perplexing or frustrating.

 

[Calabrin]

At 10-2 the season is just beginning. Do you care what happens in September/October if they’re winning huge games in December/January?

That's a great question. And certainly the Overton window has shifted significantly now that there's a real playoff structure. But I root for Penn State to win every game. And when they don't win, I don't shrug and go, "Welp, another heartbreaker to another tough opponent. Let's all go to Hi-Way." I want to know WHY they lost, and why they are perpetually unable to knock off teams with similar talent.

Not everyone has to have that will to analyze. There's no requirement to be a fan. But I want the program to be better than what it currently is. And I guess that's what I'm saying: I don't understand the attitude of people that are content with stasis.

 

[Calabrin]

Slightly OT - but when/how did you start using ‘S-Tier’ to rank things? Genuinely curious since to me, it’s origin is very specific.

It was originally used for ranking systems in Japanese video gaming, and it quickly bled into internet culture across the board. Now, whenever you see people do any kind of tiering system, S-tier is typically the highest (unless people are using humorous names for each tier, which has also become common).

Occasionally, you'll see SS-tier. This is used sometimes when there's one standout data point that's so off-the-charts better than everything else, it gets its own tier.

 

[Nitt1300]

I'd love to believe that, but the vitriol that's sometimes spit on this message board seems to indicate otherwise.

There are a LOT of people on here that seem to be fine with losing all of our tough games every year. Maybe you can argue, "It's a loud minority." That could be true. But it doesn't make it any less perplexing or frustrating.

There is a big difference between being "fine with losing (which no one is) and wanting to fire the coach for ever losing a game. We have a number of fans who specialize in wanting to fire the coach, but who never have a reasonable thought of how to replace him.

 

[Calabrin]

I’m kind of in between these two camps. I by no means feel it’s “OK” to lose to OSU repeatedly, but I’m also numb-ish enough to it not to freak out too much.

I kind of became inoculated against that sort of thing around loss number 7 or 8 out of the 9 in a row we dropped to Michigan back in the day.

Eventually we beat them again, though not as many times as I would like. The same will happen with OSU at some point. And should we do better than that and actually go above .500 against the Buckeyes over some future stretch of seasons, awesome. I’m just not going to hold my breath waiting for it… life provides enough other stressors.

All this from a former junkie whose entire week used to be utterly ruined by ANY Penn State loss. I’m far more at peace under my current stance.

Yeah, I hear ya. My week isn't ruined when they lose. But I do tend to stew about it for an hour or two. The frustration comes from being a fan. I mean, if your kid brings home a report card full of Fs, you don't go, "That's ok. Let's go get ice cream." You want to know what happened, and you want to know what steps need to be taken so that it doesn't happen again.

I don't like playing the No True Scotsman card, but when people are just like, "Oh well, another loss. Who cares?" then I do genuinely question their fan credentials. If people are indifferent to losing, then why watch at all?

Surely winning = good, and losing = bad, no?

 

[Calabrin]

I don't know anyone who thinks it's okay to lose to OSU every year like we have recently. We should expect to be around .500 with them.

Yup. I agree. I'll even settle for 4-6 over a ten year span. But 1-11? That's unacceptable. Particularly when you look at a number of those games, realize they were winnable, and Penn State blew it every time.

There are a lot of people on this message board that seem unfazed.

 

[Calabrin]

.500 is unrealistic. I read last year that OSU had $20m of NIL compared to PSU with 13 million. That's difficult to overcome. I think .333 would be a reasonable expectation. .090 is completely unacceptable.

Yeah, but the landscape continues to shift. The excuses are quickly drying up.

 

[Nittering Nabob]

Yeah, but the landscape continues to shift. The excuses are quickly drying up.

Some of us have long recognized you as nothing other than a troll.

You need to do better at masking your identity.

 

[Midnighter]

It was originally used for ranking systems in Japanese video gaming, and it quickly bled into internet culture across the board. Now, whenever you see people do any kind of tiering system, S-tier is typically the highest (unless people are using humorous names for each tier, which has also become common).

Occasionally, you'll see SS-tier. This is used sometimes when there's one standout data point that's so off-the-charts better than everything else, it gets its own tier.

Right - was wondering if that was where you picked it up. Specifically, wondered if you played Metal Gear (1987) since it is the first game series that I know of to use the S-Tier ranking…

 

[Calabrin]

Some of us have long recognized you as nothing other than a troll.

You need to do better at masking your identity.

I think you need to brush up on your understanding of what a troll is.

 

[Calabrin]

Right - was wondering if that was where you picked it up. Specifically, wondered if you played Metal Gear (1987) since it is the first game series that I know of to use the S-Tier ranking…

I have indeed played the original Metal Gear on NES. A frustrating game, but also very much ahead of its time in some ways. I never owned it back in the day, but it was a favorite rental of mine.

 

[cjrugger]

That's a great question. And certainly the Overton window has shifted significantly now that there's a real playoff structure. But I root for Penn State to win every game. And when they don't win, I don't shrug and go, "Welp, another heartbreaker to another tough opponent. Let's all go to Hi-Way." I want to know WHY they lost, and why they are perpetually unable to knock off teams with similar talent.

Not everyone has to have that will to analyze. There's no requirement to be a fan. But I want the program to be better than what it currently is. And I guess that's what I'm saying: I don't understand the attitude of people that are content with stasis.

They routinely knock off teams with similar talent. It's actually remarkable how good this program is at doing just that. We don't beat teams with more talent. If your solution is to fire the coach, you're entitled to that opinion, but it's pretty dumb and, also, not going to happen

 

[Calabrin]

They routinely knock off teams with similar talent. It's actually remarkable how good this program is at doing just that. We don't beat teams with more talent. If your solution is to fire the coach, you're entitled to that opinion, but it's pretty dumb and, also, not going to happen

Did I suggest firing the coach?

No, I did not. That is a strawman. I merely posed good-faith discussion questions like: "Are the stakes higher this season?" and "What needs to change to make the program better?"

I'm interested, though-- you said they're really good at knocking off teams with similar talent. Like who?

This is the exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about when I refer to "two camps" of Penn State fans. I think a lot of people see our program as being on par with the likes of MSU. And that's very confusing.

The unspoken resignation is, "Well, we're not Michigan or Ohio State Meh."

But the other camp, the camp I'm in, dares to ask, "Why aren't we on par with Michigan and Ohio State?" And then we get vilified (or accused of being trolls) for daring to ask those questions.

 

[Marshall2323]

Did I suggest firing the coach?

No, I did not. That is a strawman. I merely posed good-faith discussion questions like: "Are the stakes higher this season?" and "What needs to change to make the program better?"

I'm interested, though-- you said they're really good at knocking off teams with similar talent. Like who?

This is the exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about when I refer to "two camps" of Penn State fans. I think a lot of people see our program as being on par with the likes of MSU. And that's very confusing.

The unspoken resignation is, "Well, we're not Michigan or Ohio State Meh."

But the other camp, the camp I'm in, dares to ask, "Why aren't we on par with Michigan and Ohio State?" And then we get vilified (or accused of being trolls) for daring to ask those questions.

Why? Not being as successful as Michigan and Ohio State isn't a new thing. Both have more wins and a better winning percentage all time.
Now Oregon joins the Big Ten. They have resources (Nike) that may make it difficult for PSU to best.
Should PSU beat Ohio State more.....yes. I happen to think they were doing okay with Michigan before the Stalions thing,
If PSU can dodge key injuries and bad bounces, this could be one year where they punch up. In any event, I fail to see that there is any corelation to fan expectations and results by competitors in the arena.

 

[PSUFTG]

For programs that consider themselves "blue bloods" the regular season is now rather meaningless (especially when the post-season field expands to 16).
Any Big Ten or SEC program will be in the post season with 2 or fewer losses (and with schedules being what they are, in many years achieving that mark wouldn't even require beating a single high quality team). When it expands to 16 in the near future - even 3 losses won't necessarily be disqualifying.

Making the post-season will soon (once the new setup has been socialized) become a nothing-burger - as it should for the top programs.
Garnering post season wins will be a requisite to even begin considering a season as a success.

 

[Calabrin]

Why? Not being as successful as Michigan and Ohio State isn't a new thing. Both have more wins and a better winning percentage all time.
Now Oregon joins the Big Ten. They have resources (Nike) that may make it difficult for PSU to best.
Should PSU beat Ohio State more.....yes. I happen to think they were doing okay with Michigan before the Stalions thing,
If PSU can dodge key injuries and bad bounces, this could be one year where they punch up. In any event, I fail to see that there is any corelation to fan expectations and results by competitors in the arena.

Maybe.

But the thing is-- you look at those last two losses to Michigan... we're not just losing, we're not even really competing.

I've said this before: I can handle losing when it's a genuinely tough game and we play well, but don't come out on top. I get frustrated when we're just getting bullied out there. Or when we lose for god-awful reasons.

JoePa was 8-14 against Ohio State. That's obviously not great, but that's a LOT better than 1-11 (with the lone win coming on a freak play). I don't think anyone is suggesting we should be splitting wins with the Buckeyes. But it's embarrassing that when they see us on the schedule, they're writing it down as a "W" in ink.

 

[Marshall2323]

Maybe.

But the thing is-- you look at those last two losses to Michigan... we're not just losing, we're not even really competing.

I've said this before: I can handle losing when it's a genuinely tough game and we play well, but don't come out on top. I get frustrated when we're just getting bullied out there. Or when we lose for god-awful reasons.

JoePa was 8-14 against Ohio State. That's obviously not great, but that's a LOT better than 1-11 (with the lone win coming on a freak play). I don't think anyone is suggesting we should be splitting wins with the Buckeyes. But it's embarrassing that when they see us on the schedule, they're writing it down as a "W" in ink.

I've been embarrarrased as an athlete. I've been embarrassed as a coach. Why would anyone be embarrassed as a fan?
We fans enjoy watching. We give our emotions for a time period. After the game, life goes on. Now coaches and players live the competition. It's much different. As for JoePa, I go back to my first in person game....'66. He was the greatest educator/coach of all time. But, sadly he's dead. Been dead for a long time. incidently, Franklin's record in the conference is better than Joe's. So there is that. Who would we like to lose to that we're beating now.....if we beat OSU more? LOL
I'm not really disagreeing with you. I've already said, I want to win them all. This OSU thing has taken a life of its own. The odds aren't good to beat them in Columbus either. I say make the playoffs. Hopefully make a run there. If that isn't good enough, facts are, you are going to be unhappy virtually every season. Be your own fan, I say. I may disagree with those who think "we" deserve better.....but as my late wife often said "don't tell me how to feel!" On the other hand, those of us who are appreciative of PSU's accomplishments aren't wrong either.