What changed about him this stint? His teams are less disciplined than my grade school teams. The man has lost it. I'm a Petrino fan too, but I think it may be time to hang it up.
What has happened to Petrino
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I’ve lost all faith in Bobby 2.0. I can take Bama kicking our ***, just not willing to accept the incompetence and lack of discipline. May be time for a re-boot. Is Brohm the answer? Not sure that’s the case. Could be time to pay the buyout & clean house. Also, it may be in UofL’s best interests to open it up and see who’s interested, not just target Brohm. Someone with twice his resume may be interested, you never know.
He hasn't built the program the way I thought he would with discipline, staff and scheme. Louisville has no shot against good teams because of their inconsistent play and lack of discipline.
I still think next year is the year to see if he still has it. They should be very good with all their returning players. If they are a mess again then it will be time. Brohm will still be available because he isn't going anywhere after this year as they are still in the rebuild process and the Big Ten is going to be a bear.
I still think next year is the year to see if he still has it. They should be very good with all their returning players. If they are a mess again then it will be time. Brohm will still be available because he isn't going anywhere after this year as they are still in the rebuild process and the Big Ten is going to be a bear.
Petrino 2.0 is a pathetic, neutered caricature of what he used to be. His current program bears no resemblance to what he had here before or what he had at Arkansas. As to the details of how that happened we can only speculate but anyone thinking Petrino is going to have a top program here now is not just delusional. They are stupid and delusional. Sadly many will continue to fall into the trap of believing he just needs "one more great class" to fix it. No. Our recruiting blows too for the most part and his "higher rated" classes don't have anywhere near the talent Strong brought in or that Petrino used to bring in.
I think he used to work 18 hours a day and preparation covered every detail and he made his staff do the same. Practices were conducted in such a way that mistakes and errors were eliminated before game time. The team became a well oiled machine. I think 2.0 is now more of an 9-5 guy and the demands on players and staff are now minimal. He is now a "players coach" and a good family man.
Nobody ever accused Bobby Petrino of being a nice guy his first time here. Now he probably is a nice guy but he also now sucks as a coach in comparison to the *** hole he once was who demanded perfection from everyone around him.
Only when fans stop showing up. Heck, Jurich would have kept Kragthorpe if attendance hadn't fallen into the toilet.
Well said, you nailed it. I believe this is Bobby's last hurrah!
I think the biggest difference between Petrine 1.0 and 2.0 is the competition.
Well, I'm sure 18 hours is an exaggeration. You wouldn't have time for an affair(s). One poster earlier said his lack of side babes is no longer with him (a joke with definitely some truth). It kind of mirrors Tiger Woods before/after.
The real question is can Louisville ever recruit at a high enough level to compete with Clemson and FSU? The truth is probably not, they will have really good classes then an average class. All you have to do is look at the talent in Kentucky that leaves the state. Louisville is not a perceived as a big time program.
The only way to stay consistently good is to be consistently good in recruiting. Louisville tends to get good players when there is playing time available, very rarely do you see a 4 star commit to Louisville if there is another 4 star at the position. That is what separates all the big programs from the rest. Wisconsin is the one team that competes at a high level without a ton of 4 stars. Their division has a lot to do with that too, but they extremely disciplined and coached up.
I thought Petrino was perfect fit at the perfect time. The lack of discipline has been surprising which has impacted their execution on the field. Louisville has to have a coach that demands perfection and his team buys into that kind of culture. They will never have the kind talent to overcome undisciplined play.
The only way to stay consistently good is to be consistently good in recruiting. Louisville tends to get good players when there is playing time available, very rarely do you see a 4 star commit to Louisville if there is another 4 star at the position. That is what separates all the big programs from the rest. Wisconsin is the one team that competes at a high level without a ton of 4 stars. Their division has a lot to do with that too, but they extremely disciplined and coached up.
I thought Petrino was perfect fit at the perfect time. The lack of discipline has been surprising which has impacted their execution on the field. Louisville has to have a coach that demands perfection and his team buys into that kind of culture. They will never have the kind talent to overcome undisciplined play.
That argument falls flat considering our 2006 schedule was possibly our toughest and yet we nearly won the national title. The problem isn't the schedule. The problem is Petrino.
In terms of real talent, even though we have moved up in weight class, we aren't even recruiting at the level we did in Bobby's first stint. There was talent then to compete against any program. We have nothing like that now.
Yes, let’s quit as fans. That ought to do the trick.
Also, the part about Jurich giving Kragthorpe a 4th year if the attendance wasn’t so low is patently false. TJ was close to sending Krags packing after year 2 but decided to go against his instincts and give him a 3rd year out of respect for him as a man. And yes, it turned out to be a mistake, to which he later admitted.
I am not telling anyone to do anything. All I am saying is the program is mired in a place that is not going to get any better under Petrino. If people want to pay a lot of money to see 6-8 wins a year and a bowl loss to a mid-level SEC team, have at it. Bottom line is Petrino will never be fired as long as attendance is good.
And finishing ahead of LSU and Auburn and in top 20 status. Petrino built the Arky program out of nothing and got better every year and finally to a BCS bowl. 2.0 at Louisville has not improved anything after 5 years and now has less talent in the program than what he inherited.
You sir are a continuous source of bad info. Arkansas is recognized as the 23rd top football program by the total number of Football wins something like 745.
What bad info? Petrino took over a team that was decimated and that had little talent. Started off with a losing record and then improved every year and finally took them to a BCS bowl game. Your comment is completely off the topic and not relevant to anything we are discussing.
Mike when you are using “I think” to justify your position that’s not a strong argument. If you back that up then I’ll come more to your side.
Petrino definitely stockpiled talent in his first stint, but let’s not act like the talent has dropped off. Recruiting rankings will disagree with your statement. Also look at the amount of Louisville players of recent going into the NFL.
If you can't see a major difference in how 1.0 teams were prepared compared to 2.0 that is on you and nothing I will say will likely convince you. That difference is based on preparation and work. Not seeing that now.
I agree the amount of penalties and crispness are obvious. However you are equating it to a lack of hours spent. I think that’s unfounded. Now if you want to point to the quality of the coaching staff and staff turnover I think I’d be more in agreement.
Forget just looking at recruit rankings. Look instead at the schools our players had offers from then compared to now. Also Petrino 1.0 2006 class was ranked 26th. Look at the numbers that played in the NFL. We recruited better talent in C-USA and the old Big East than we do now. The talent and speed is just not there now and Petrino 2.0 best talent was what he inherited from Strong.
Forget about the recruiting rankings, but then you reference the 2006 class ranking?
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the recruiting talent from 1.0 to 2.0.
I would agree that UofL recruited at or above its peers in CUSA and the Big East. That is no longer the case in the ACC, hence the appearance that talent has dropped off possibly.
Absolutely not, but you have some vendetta against petrino for no justifiable reason. The guy has proven he can win here. We played Bama last night, not some top 10-20 team. Granted, he made a bad hire in sirmon and ran an offense with lamar that he never ran before. Last night he showed flashes of his old offense with a new qb that has not truly been tested. Give this team time. If we lose games we shouldnt lose this year, ill be on your side.
Even if you shine ****, it's still a turd. Last night I thought Puma looked pretty good and the effort on defense was better/more aggressive. Other than that, last night was pretty abysmal. I can't explain sending 12 men onto the field four times - especially the ones on offense. It was bad.
Still, this is a young team. Sophomores starting everywhere. Every program has a reset or rebuild year, and this looks like the case for 2018. I think we're looking at 6-6 or 7-5, with the team playing a lot better by the end of the season. 2019 and 2020 especially will be loaded.
Still, this is a young team. Sophomores starting everywhere. Every program has a reset or rebuild year, and this looks like the case for 2018. I think we're looking at 6-6 or 7-5, with the team playing a lot better by the end of the season. 2019 and 2020 especially will be loaded.
Could not be more wrong. I celebrated his return. I was his biggest supporter the first go around. He is not the same coach now. The program is going backward.
Like 99% if most problems, the situation with BP is multifactorial. That said, the biggest two issues IMO are these.
1. After this many years the book on Petrino is pretty thick - before his offensive innovation made him incredibly hard to gameplan for, now - there’s miles of tape to look at and defenses have caught up to him. If you aren’t innovative, you have to be consistently more talented than the teams / players you face, and there is not the same separation of talent as there was in CUSA and BE - which leads into problem #2.
2. Petrino’s reputation and baggage have hurt his ability to attract, hire and retain quality assistants - affecting not only recruiting but as importantly, player development.
Like anything - better make sure you have a replacement that will be an improvement. No guarantee that Brohm would be an improvement.
1. After this many years the book on Petrino is pretty thick - before his offensive innovation made him incredibly hard to gameplan for, now - there’s miles of tape to look at and defenses have caught up to him. If you aren’t innovative, you have to be consistently more talented than the teams / players you face, and there is not the same separation of talent as there was in CUSA and BE - which leads into problem #2.
2. Petrino’s reputation and baggage have hurt his ability to attract, hire and retain quality assistants - affecting not only recruiting but as importantly, player development.
Like anything - better make sure you have a replacement that will be an improvement. No guarantee that Brohm would be an improvement.
How many posts does it take someone to state that they are totally against BP 2nd edition? We get it, sonny.
Now Let’s focus on the rest of the season.
To me it is really simple. Louisville always recruited at the top of the other conference they belonged to. It wasn't a surprise they were better than most teams. The coaching was also very good during this time. The move to the ACC was another step up plus they were put in a division where they will never out recruit Clemson/FSU. Louisville has never been able to consistently recruit in the top 30. Their classes bounce year to year. This is the reality for Louisville football and 90 percent of college football. The next class may not even be in the top 50.
Louisville isn't talented enough to win against almost anybody in ACC if they have penalties and turnovers. That is my biggest concern moving forward. The inconsistent play and general lack of discipline. It has cost them games. They have beat themselves at least 5 times since his return. They used to never beat themselves under Petrino. UK, BC, Miss St, N.C State, and Virginia all come to mind as games they should have won but blew it.
They are two realities, the first is Louisville will never be a top 30 program in recruiting. The second is there aren't any coaches that can win against teams that are well coached and loaded with talent on a consistent basis. Look who is always at the top of the college football food chain every year and look at their classes enough said.
At Louisville you can catch lightning in a bottle once every 3 or 4 years. They should have finished 10-2 2 years ago. I think next year will be a 10-2 type of year.
Louisville isn't talented enough to win against almost anybody in ACC if they have penalties and turnovers. That is my biggest concern moving forward. The inconsistent play and general lack of discipline. It has cost them games. They have beat themselves at least 5 times since his return. They used to never beat themselves under Petrino. UK, BC, Miss St, N.C State, and Virginia all come to mind as games they should have won but blew it.
They are two realities, the first is Louisville will never be a top 30 program in recruiting. The second is there aren't any coaches that can win against teams that are well coached and loaded with talent on a consistent basis. Look who is always at the top of the college football food chain every year and look at their classes enough said.
At Louisville you can catch lightning in a bottle once every 3 or 4 years. They should have finished 10-2 2 years ago. I think next year will be a 10-2 type of year.
The Big East we entered in 2005 wasn't much different than the ACC. I am not buying Petrino's mediocrity being based on the idea we came into some super conference that we can never recruit for. We were a top 10 program at that time and we are not even top 35 now and that has nothing to do with which conference we are in.
It depends on what you are comparing. In terms of being at the top of the conference the Big East didn't have a Clemson or FSU. West Virginia and Rutgers were good but they weren't on the level of FSU and Clemson both have won a title since Louisville arrived. No one in the Big East came realistically close to the title game besides Louisville/West Virginia. I will agree the middle of the pack teams aren't really that different. Louisville has lost a couple games it shouldn't in BC and Virginia other than that they have won most of their ACC games. Its not like Louisville won all those 50/50 games in the Big East either. They lost their share of those games too.
The truth is Louisville is chasing a monster in Clemson and FSU will be back. That is really no different than SEC teams chasing Bama. It is a different world.
What coach is out there that closes that gap? The one thing most concerning to me is recruiting, they just aren't getting the kind of players to close that gap. I just don't know if Louisville can ever consistently recruit at that level.
The truth is Louisville is chasing a monster in Clemson and FSU will be back. That is really no different than SEC teams chasing Bama. It is a different world.
What coach is out there that closes that gap? The one thing most concerning to me is recruiting, they just aren't getting the kind of players to close that gap. I just don't know if Louisville can ever consistently recruit at that level.