What makes you the angriest about the state of UK football?
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The same thing that has made me sick for years. The fans and their crying that UK can't win in football. For one, they underplay what UK has accomplished in the past. We do not have a great football tradition, but it's not the worst ever either. Some fans have no idea how bad some of these other programs are compared. A few months ago a UK fan told me we "should at least be historically on the level with Indiana football." Umm, hello? Do you not even know your own history? We ARE better than Indiana football historically. It's like they've been mitche'd to the point where they're just ignorant.
As far as the current state, again, the 25% of UK fans that accept losing and back an AD that has more recourses than pretty much all AD's before him combined. That's what pisses me off. UK can do a lot better in this current climate than we're getting. And some of these fans accept this. Completely ignoring the growth of our program through the SEC shared revenue and TV deals. UK is getting super rich off of this, and the fans are getting losses and excuses. When we demand more of our AD and administration, we will get more. The ivory tower UK personnel like Barnhart love the loser mentality of the Kentucky football fan. They don't have to care, and can play tight with the cash. Oh look, the poets club gets a new podium! Awesome!
It will change when people finally have enough. There will always be Barnhart apologist. Those same types were doing the same thing with tubby and G. They are the "stop complaining and just sit down" types that have no will to win. But the majority aren't buying it now, and thank god.
As far as the current state, again, the 25% of UK fans that accept losing and back an AD that has more recourses than pretty much all AD's before him combined. That's what pisses me off. UK can do a lot better in this current climate than we're getting. And some of these fans accept this. Completely ignoring the growth of our program through the SEC shared revenue and TV deals. UK is getting super rich off of this, and the fans are getting losses and excuses. When we demand more of our AD and administration, we will get more. The ivory tower UK personnel like Barnhart love the loser mentality of the Kentucky football fan. They don't have to care, and can play tight with the cash. Oh look, the poets club gets a new podium! Awesome!
It will change when people finally have enough. There will always be Barnhart apologist. Those same types were doing the same thing with tubby and G. They are the "stop complaining and just sit down" types that have no will to win. But the majority aren't buying it now, and thank god.
Mitch Barnhart ........
1. Hiring Joker. He was never good enough to give a damn if he left for another job... never the less make him a coach in waiting. We all knew this back then. Brooks could easily of hired anyone he knew and I'd have faith they could do the OC like Joker if not better.
2. Giving Stoops an extension .. everything about that was taking a massive gamble and so far it looks like he lost everything on that gamble.
3. a new DC should of been non negotiable .... Elliot could of been moved to special teams
4. agreeing to have Conf USA refs at that damn game...... Easily could of had Conf USA refs next year at USM and SEC at our place this year.. I'm blaming the loss on Stoops and Mitch but there were 3 obvious agenda calls in the 2nd half ... and you know what though... you expect a couple of those calls ... and officiating will always look out for their conference teams until the NCAA runs officials as a whole instead of conferences
5. It will take the Boosters coming up with 12 million and have had enough for Mitch to make a move at the end of the year. Because the man cant make a tough decision on his own
1. Hiring Joker. He was never good enough to give a damn if he left for another job... never the less make him a coach in waiting. We all knew this back then. Brooks could easily of hired anyone he knew and I'd have faith they could do the OC like Joker if not better.
2. Giving Stoops an extension .. everything about that was taking a massive gamble and so far it looks like he lost everything on that gamble.
3. a new DC should of been non negotiable .... Elliot could of been moved to special teams
4. agreeing to have Conf USA refs at that damn game...... Easily could of had Conf USA refs next year at USM and SEC at our place this year.. I'm blaming the loss on Stoops and Mitch but there were 3 obvious agenda calls in the 2nd half ... and you know what though... you expect a couple of those calls ... and officiating will always look out for their conference teams until the NCAA runs officials as a whole instead of conferences
5. It will take the Boosters coming up with 12 million and have had enough for Mitch to make a move at the end of the year. Because the man cant make a tough decision on his own
The inability of our teams, since the Brooks era, to play sound fundamental football!!!!
Either the coaches can't (don't) coach fundamentals or the players are uncoachable or a combination of both.
Either the coaches can't (don't) coach fundamentals or the players are uncoachable or a combination of both.
I'll go with the lack of fundamental football and the tendency to be vulnerable to silly penalties and "fluke" circumstances and bad bounces that don't seem to happen to any other team. Oh yeah, and the "coach in waiting" move of Joker.
But, you know, I don't think I've ever really been angry in the truest essence of the word; it's more like a frustration of sorts.
When you look at the big picture of life, UK football isn't really worth stressing about or getting angry. It is, after all, just a game that has no bearing on my day-to-day life. It's merely entertainment. Of course, I want to see my alma mater succeed, but if they don't, life goes on, right?
I know a fan of another SEC team that gets so worked up over his team, so nervous about winning, that he has blood pressure issues. If this team loses, he literally thinks about calling in sick to work on Monday and just stews around until Tuesday or Wednesday of the week following the game. So, please, don't let your anger over UK football go overboard, don't be "that guy."
Let's just chill out about it, relaxxx, don't get angry, and enjoy our time, ok?
But, you know, I don't think I've ever really been angry in the truest essence of the word; it's more like a frustration of sorts.
When you look at the big picture of life, UK football isn't really worth stressing about or getting angry. It is, after all, just a game that has no bearing on my day-to-day life. It's merely entertainment. Of course, I want to see my alma mater succeed, but if they don't, life goes on, right?
I know a fan of another SEC team that gets so worked up over his team, so nervous about winning, that he has blood pressure issues. If this team loses, he literally thinks about calling in sick to work on Monday and just stews around until Tuesday or Wednesday of the week following the game. So, please, don't let your anger over UK football go overboard, don't be "that guy."
Let's just chill out about it, relaxxx, don't get angry, and enjoy our time, ok?
Longest stretch(5 years) without winning at least 6 games in a season since 1974.
Thanks Mitch.
Thanks Mitch.
As others have said the lack of ability to play fundamentally sound football
Poor game and clock management
Failure to win games that we are in position to win,not beating teams we should beat
Failure to be competitive in too many games each year
Inability to develop players/talent at certain positions year over year,identify areas of need and address those areas
Poor game and clock management
Failure to win games that we are in position to win,not beating teams we should beat
Failure to be competitive in too many games each year
Inability to develop players/talent at certain positions year over year,identify areas of need and address those areas
Wow!
When I think about what angers me about UK football, the FANS are the LAST thing that comes to mind!!
Talk about a twisted way of thinking!!
It reminds me of when someone is kidnapped and become SO brainwashed that they become protective of their kidnapper.
Yeah, honestly any U.K. Football fan of any kind should get major credit for any emotional investment whatsoever: I'm not sure the program historically deserves the fans they have.
I appreciate the effort to get more serious about the program. I'm more angry about the past now. Today, I'm most frustrated that Conferemce USA and Sunbelt teams manage to find coaches who can put together and develop teams better then ours so quickly. Questions about staff competence are not that misplaced right now.
The idea the problem is the fans is absolutely amazing
Lincoln just chose brother Bob over Mark. Good Lord, Dawson was not Stoops's first or even second choice.
The fact that every year I get my hopes up for nothing.
The fact that the average fan is a forgotten fan.
The fact that I've allowed a big business to get me emotionally invested in something so trivial.
The fact that college football is my favorite sport, but my favorite team is one of the worst.
The fact that I hate the color red because of a game.
The fact that UK football is 3rd for that Fulmer award, but we still suck.
The fact that I'm 28 and haven't been alive for a win against Florida.
The fact that we are not a sleeping giant in football.
The fact that we may never be good in my lifetime.
The fact that I will forget half of this by next off season and get my hopes up again.
The fact that the average fan is a forgotten fan.
The fact that I've allowed a big business to get me emotionally invested in something so trivial.
The fact that college football is my favorite sport, but my favorite team is one of the worst.
The fact that I hate the color red because of a game.
The fact that UK football is 3rd for that Fulmer award, but we still suck.
The fact that I'm 28 and haven't been alive for a win against Florida.
The fact that we are not a sleeping giant in football.
The fact that we may never be good in my lifetime.
The fact that I will forget half of this by next off season and get my hopes up again.
The constant tease that this program does to you. Hell, it's worse than my old high school flame. Just when you think good things are coming you get turned down and spend the next week wondering what the hell happened.
I'll echo two things that have already been said. Fundamentals and the constant feeling of it will never change.
Stoops is a coach not a leader. He doesn't have disciplined teams. He also makes no adjustments that I can see.
Also, I was alive last time we beat Florida but too young to remember. I honestly feel like that and a good season is something I will never see.
Stoops is a coach not a leader. He doesn't have disciplined teams. He also makes no adjustments that I can see.
Also, I was alive last time we beat Florida but too young to remember. I honestly feel like that and a good season is something I will never see.
The lack of discipline is what has always bothered me most. Sure, we're less talented, but we seem to be so disorganized and make the dumbest mistakes at the worst times. Heck, last year I even suspected some of the receivers were dropping balls on purpose.
I just want to see an organized and disciplined football team giving maximum effort.
I just want to see an organized and disciplined football team giving maximum effort.
Barnhart raising ticket and parking prices and we continue to get the same results on the football field. Why on earth would he increase parking by $100-$300 after another 5 win season? Wouldn't he at least wait until we went to a bowl game? The average fan has been forgotten by Barnhart.
To me, it's the coaches. We are more talented than we've ever been, we have better facilities than we've ever had, the sec east is as weak as it's ever been but we have a highly paid coaching staff that is determined to keep our players from being successful.
No organization for four years, no discipline for four years, no in game adjustments for four years. It's lining up in the shotgun with four wide receivers and trying to pass at the one yard line. It's allowing one team to run the same play 30 times and you're still clueless as to how to stop it. It's playing a team with a great running quarterback and then telling the media that you didn't prepare for him.
The mismanagement is insane. It would get a McDonald's manager fired but it gets Stoops 12 million dollars.
I am hopeful that it gets fixed but it's been four years without many changes.
The sheer hopelessness of the situation. There are a handful of coaches, maybe as many as 10, that could change the fortunes of UK football, but they will never even be approached about coaching here. We lack an AD who can set aside his ego in order to plead, beg, grovel, sell UK football to a difference maker, and even if he could do this, he wouldn't because these coaches aren't the unblemished kow-towing boot-lickers that Barnhart demands. I said when Stoops was hired, that if he can't do it then no one can. I believe that more firmly than ever at this point, primarily because even if Stoops is fired, Barnhart will hire someone as bad or worse than Stoops. We all should pray every night for Stoops to get this turned around.
The more interesting aspect of this is the $185 million albatross around UK athletics' neck. Sure, the debt can be serviced from conference revenue, but at what cost to other programs? Lack of revenue generated by football ticket sales and gameday food/gear sales will decrease funding to all UK athletic programs as conference/TV money will have to be used to service the football (and academic) debt since football revenue alone will not be sufficient. Also, in order to issue the bonds, UK had to agree that the debt could not be serviced by fees imposed on students. Mr. Barnhart should pray every night for Stoops to get this thing turned around.
The more interesting aspect of this is the $185 million albatross around UK athletics' neck. Sure, the debt can be serviced from conference revenue, but at what cost to other programs? Lack of revenue generated by football ticket sales and gameday food/gear sales will decrease funding to all UK athletic programs as conference/TV money will have to be used to service the football (and academic) debt since football revenue alone will not be sufficient. Also, in order to issue the bonds, UK had to agree that the debt could not be serviced by fees imposed on students. Mr. Barnhart should pray every night for Stoops to get this thing turned around.
The thing that makes me angry and very sad is that the UK administration does not seem to understand the importance of hiring an EXPERIENCED head football coach. UK should not be a place where coaches are trained.
Right.
There are a ton of people around the south (and now much of the country) who are quite surprised to find out that we really do have football fans. And passionate ones at that.
Because guess what? Most of them don't care anything about basketball.
I agree with you. As frustrated as I've been in the past with many of our coaches, I reached a point last year where I thought, "why fire Stoops? What exactly do you expect to accomplish?"
And that's bad to feel that way after the way these last 2 seasons have ended, but I really do feel that way. It's not that I thought the team was going to perform much, if any, better this year, but I just didn't have any confidence that the admin. would go out and get someone better.
It's not that I don't think there are better coaches, it's just that I'm not convinced that we can get them. (And yes, I was thrilled with both the Stoops hire, and the early returns).
We have probably more 4 & 5- star recruits than u of l and WKU combined. Plus the fact that we have better facilities, a much larger fan base & the prestigious advantage of being a member of the SEC. Despite all that, both u of l and WKU are better than we are. This is pure crap & it's inexcusable that we are at best the 3rd best team in the state. We should dominate u of l more so in football than we do in basketball. And the fact that we don't & that they have beat us 5 times in a row, is a pissed off bitter pill to swallow.
also over the years, when UK should have hired Howard Schnellenberger [who was one of the top 10 coaches in the game] instead Bill Curry got the job. And when Mike Leach who is one of the great offensives minds in the game could have been hired, UK hires Joker Phillips & Mark Stoops. 2 men that had no head coaching experience. Oh My. What could have been.
also over the years, when UK should have hired Howard Schnellenberger [who was one of the top 10 coaches in the game] instead Bill Curry got the job. And when Mike Leach who is one of the great offensives minds in the game could have been hired, UK hires Joker Phillips & Mark Stoops. 2 men that had no head coaching experience. Oh My. What could have been.
Explain how this had any effect on anything with the situation? I'm waiting.
Are you a daft c*nt? The thread title is "what makes you the angriest about the state of UK football" and nothing makes me angrier than when we line up completely incompetently. The most glaring examples are the special teams lineups where we run out too few men, the nonsense formation where Dak Prescott ran for an easy touchdown, completely missing assignments, letting SMU score at the end of the half because we weren't paying attention, and many more subtle line up mistakes. WHEN WE CAN'T LINE UP TO EVEN ATTEMPT TO MAKE A FOOTBALL PLAY, EVEN AFTER 3 PLUS YEARS, THAT IS WHAT MAKES ME MOST ANGRY ABOUT THE STATE OF UK FOOTBALL. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?
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The fact that I no longer have any college eligibility and thus cant get on the field and light an opponent up.
I don't know if I'd call it angry but what irritates me is that I don't believe the AD and President share our passion for what happens in the football program. As long as the money rolls in and there is a modicum of success in the olympic sports, that seems to be all they care about. Even after decades of frustration, if you dare to challenge that attitude you're condescendingly (and laughably) compared to a kitchen appliance with a defrost function and a rotating platter.
Now, I don't want to start one of those NFL pissing matches, but this is how my fandom went with the Bengals. I used to be a diehard fan and suffered through many a bad season until it became apparent that Mike Brown (judging by some of his bizarre moves) couldn't have cared less whether he won or lost as long as his pockets were being continually lined with NFL money and fan money. Eventually I stopped getting annoyed at losses, stopped going to games, stopped even caring enough to find out what time the next game was on.
While watching us melt down in the second half last Saturday, I had an oddly calm attitude, didn't yell at the TV once. It was a tad unsettling.
Now, I don't want to start one of those NFL pissing matches, but this is how my fandom went with the Bengals. I used to be a diehard fan and suffered through many a bad season until it became apparent that Mike Brown (judging by some of his bizarre moves) couldn't have cared less whether he won or lost as long as his pockets were being continually lined with NFL money and fan money. Eventually I stopped getting annoyed at losses, stopped going to games, stopped even caring enough to find out what time the next game was on.
While watching us melt down in the second half last Saturday, I had an oddly calm attitude, didn't yell at the TV once. It was a tad unsettling.