Tom Izzo, coach of Michigan State has taken his team to 6 Final Fours, won the National Championship, won the Big Ten Championship 7 times and his teams have been to the NCAA tournament 17 consecutive times. This year they are 13-8 having just lost to lowly Nebraska who is 12-8. He usually recruits very well. If State keeps playing like it has they won't make the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1998.
What's happened to Michigan State?
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No, he hasnt recruited that well, in the past 7 years(could look back further but screw it) he has not one top 10 class. And only 3 in the top 20. Izzo is holding on to his old school ways and not emracing OAD. That and he dosent get guys to the NBA. The hell with him anyway, after he took a shot at us about being a "basketball factory", he can loose every game he plays.
They will get in on name if nothing else. The NCAA is chomping at the bit to put MSU or OSU as our 8/9 seed. Hell, they'd put them against each other if they could lol
Izzo has never been a national recruiter, always regional.The state of Michigan has been down as of late talent wise and he's not getting enough of the few that are there.
This is what happens when you are your league's target and you have a down season. I mean, look at last year. We took a ton of losses despite being one of, if not the best team in the league. It's hard. When you are Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, etc. you can't afford to have a down year or your conference will make your top 25 team look barely tournament worthy.
seems like a few are confused about Booker he was never going to Michigan St. he was looking at Michigan and Missouri besides us. The other thing I find hilarious is as much as people rip Tubby around here there is always a constant love of Izzo. Tubby and Izzo are the same guy. They coach the same style, recruit the same way, routinely lose 10+ games the same, only have a real legit team 1 out of 5 years the same way, literally they are just alike. Izzo just got a few more lucky bounces than Tubby did in the tournament and a couple times against Tubby.
Allow me, I live and work near East Lansing, my boss and his brother are friends of the Izzo's and, until this year, can be seen sitting right behind the MSU bench during all home and away games. They are frustrated this year and just like all MSU fans, they just stop watching when Sparty isn't winning.
Bottom line is the game is rapidly passing Izzo by and unlike K he refuses to change. His style is boring and it allows other, lesser teams, to hang around and have a chance to win (sounds,like a coach we once had). Anyway, Mateen Cleaves isn't walking through the door, he doesn't have leaders this year. Valentine and Trice are not leaders, they are used to being led and Dawson, he is a mirror image of Poythress, he's quiet.
Here's the other thing, Michigan State has earned second tier blue blood status with all those final four runs so now they get everyone's best shot. Heck, Nebraska had their best big man, Pitchford, ejected before the first tv timeout last night and still won.
I pray that IF they make the tournament that they are in our bracket as a 9 seed and that we pound them by 30. They have had our number and I hear about it constantly . until this year.
Bottom line is the game is rapidly passing Izzo by and unlike K he refuses to change. His style is boring and it allows other, lesser teams, to hang around and have a chance to win (sounds,like a coach we once had). Anyway, Mateen Cleaves isn't walking through the door, he doesn't have leaders this year. Valentine and Trice are not leaders, they are used to being led and Dawson, he is a mirror image of Poythress, he's quiet.
Here's the other thing, Michigan State has earned second tier blue blood status with all those final four runs so now they get everyone's best shot. Heck, Nebraska had their best big man, Pitchford, ejected before the first tv timeout last night and still won.
I pray that IF they make the tournament that they are in our bracket as a 9 seed and that we pound them by 30. They have had our number and I hear about it constantly . until this year.
it all boils down to recruiting, recruiting, recruiting.
1) 2012 class (A Po and WCS class) MSU has 3 top 20 at position 2 SG (Gary Harris) and one PF
2) 2013 class- (Twins/Randle) one PF Schilling 29th at his position
3)2014 class - 2 3 stars and one 4 star (Lourawls Nairn) OUCH!
So it does look like Tubby Syndrome has hit Sparty Land !
1) 2012 class (A Po and WCS class) MSU has 3 top 20 at position 2 SG (Gary Harris) and one PF
2) 2013 class- (Twins/Randle) one PF Schilling 29th at his position
3)2014 class - 2 3 stars and one 4 star (Lourawls Nairn) OUCH!
So it does look like Tubby Syndrome has hit Sparty Land !
Great players don't want to play at Michigan St because of the style of play...
I think that Izzo is a great coach but I never wanted him at UK because that.
I think that Izzo is a great coach but I never wanted him at UK because that.
Has Izzo ever been a "good" recruiter? Seems to me like he always brings in 4 year guys and develops them. That strategy can work if you find those "diamonds in the rough" and coach then up over their 4 year career.
Nothing. It's not like Michigan State has been a dominant program in the regular season, and it's not like Izzo is unfamiliar with down years. His rep is mainly built on his tournament success, which has been outstanding, but since he ran off 3 FF's in row from 99-01, Izzo has had 6 seasons with 10 or more losses, and another 4 with 9. That's 10 out of 13 years total.
It will be noteworthy if they miss the tournament (something that hasn't happened since 97), but it's just a case of a few key recruiting misses. It wouldn't be wise to write Izzo off yet, any more than it would have been wise to write off Jim Calhoun when he was having NIT seasons at UConn , which happened in 2001 and 2010 (and in 2007, they didn't even play in the NIT. They had no postseason whatsoever). I don't think Izzo will ever match his glory years of 99-01, because Michigan State just doesn't have the type of national recruiting presence to get that level of talent again- they would need a fluke run of great, relatively local, players- but he's proven that when he gets the right parts, his teams are incredibly dangerous.
It will be noteworthy if they miss the tournament (something that hasn't happened since 97), but it's just a case of a few key recruiting misses. It wouldn't be wise to write Izzo off yet, any more than it would have been wise to write off Jim Calhoun when he was having NIT seasons at UConn , which happened in 2001 and 2010 (and in 2007, they didn't even play in the NIT. They had no postseason whatsoever). I don't think Izzo will ever match his glory years of 99-01, because Michigan State just doesn't have the type of national recruiting presence to get that level of talent again- they would need a fluke run of great, relatively local, players- but he's proven that when he gets the right parts, his teams are incredibly dangerous.