Where is all the $$$ coming from anyway?

TheWizardofCamelot

All-Conference
Oct 12, 2015
990
1,294
93
Since January - player retention in NIL, transfer portal acquisitions, Jim Knowles 3.5 million salary, 700 million stadium renovation. Not to mention facilities upgrades over the last couple years. Then throw in a 50 million buyout on Franklin's contract. And the search for a new elite HC + staff.

Has Kraft rounded up the biggest donors? I know adidas has added a significant amount of money. But for a school that we were told was way behind in NIL and other aspects of funding, what changed?

And does anyone see PSU being bigger players in NIL/recruiting moving forward? Franklin's last couple of classes were not going to cut it.
 

Catch1lion

All-American
Oct 12, 2021
3,507
5,733
113
Maybe there is some counting on the possible future venture capital cash?
 

ApexLion

All-American
Nov 1, 2021
5,506
9,334
113
Since January - player retention in NIL, transfer portal acquisitions, Jim Knowles 3.5 million salary, 700 million stadium renovation. Not to mention facilities upgrades over the last couple years. Then throw in a 50 million buyout on Franklin's contract. And the search for a new elite HC + staff.

Has Kraft rounded up the biggest donors? I know adidas has added a significant amount of money. But for a school that we were told was way behind in NIL and other aspects of funding, what changed?

And does anyone see PSU being bigger players in NIL/recruiting moving forward? Franklin's last couple of classes were not going to cut it.
A group.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: step.eng69

Nitt1300

Heisman
Nov 2, 2008
6,636
12,442
113
 

WestSideLion

All-American
May 29, 2001
4,695
5,164
113
I think people look at the cumulative totals and wrongly assess the situation. Those are big cumulative totals, but none of them will be paid up front in a lump sum.

The annual revenue streams for PSU athletics are quite large. I believe they were in the realm of $220 million for the last fiscal year. That will grow at some rate over time. Let's assume 10% annually for ease of calculation, so it will balloon to $300 million within 4-5 years. Protecting that revenue is likely issue #1 on Pat Kraft's mind in making this move.

The stadium renovation will be paid over time - likely 20 years or more. There are also depreciation and other benefits that can be used to the program's advantage there.

Coaching and player salaries will be paid out annually and not in one lump sum. So Franklin's buy-out will hit more like $7.5 million a year and not $50 million at once. Let's also face the reality that Franklin is extremely likely to coach again. He's too competitive not to. Any salary there will be a big offset to what PSU owes him.

I'd bet the next coach will be inclined to keep some of the current staff. Knowles, for example, is an obvious winner who seems to have been swept up in a bad situation. Keeping some of the staff reduces the extra buy-out liabilities further.

Costs can also be manipulated in many other ways by skilled accountants. Available cash is never the same at net profit listed on an income statement. PSU showed a net profit of around $5 million for the last fiscal year. I'd bet available cash is a high multiple of that when you factor in depreciation, amortization, etc.

Given what's likely to happen in terms of annual revenue growth, the program should be able to absorb these transition costs and pay what's required to bring in the next coach. In fact, I don't think money is nearly as big a driver as we think. Sports are printing money these days and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
 

RolexKong

Sophomore
Aug 15, 2025
202
189
43
I think people look at the cumulative totals and wrongly assess the situation. Those are big cumulative totals, but none of them will be paid up front in a lump sum.

The annual revenue streams for PSU athletics are quite large. I believe they were in the realm of $220 million for the last fiscal year. That will grow at some rate over time. Let's assume 10% annually for ease of calculation, so it will balloon to $300 million within 4-5 years. Protecting that revenue is likely issue #1 on Pat Kraft's mind in making this move.

The stadium renovation will be paid over time - likely 20 years or more. There are also depreciation and other benefits that can be used to the program's advantage there.

Coaching and player salaries will be paid out annually and not in one lump sum. So Franklin's buy-out will hit more like $7.5 million a year and not $50 million at once. Let's also face the reality that Franklin is extremely likely to coach again. He's too competitive not to. Any salary there will be a big offset to what PSU owes him.

I'd bet the next coach will be inclined to keep some of the current staff. Knowles, for example, is an obvious winner who seems to have been swept up in a bad situation. Keeping some of the staff reduces the extra buy-out liabilities further.

Costs can also be manipulated in many other ways by skilled accountants. Available cash is never the same at net profit listed on an income statement. PSU showed a net profit of around $5 million for the last fiscal year. I'd bet available cash is a high multiple of that when you factor in depreciation, amortization, etc.

Given what's likely to happen in terms of annual revenue growth, the program should be able to absorb these transition costs and pay what's required to bring in the next coach. In fact, I don't think money is nearly as big a driver as we think. Sports are printing money these days and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
Where do you find "depreciation" or other non-cash items on the athletic department's financials? To a very large degree they are WYSIWYG. You would lose your bet.

Yes, there will be future large cash flow increases and outflows. One expects Kraft has a reasonably good handle on these. They become more difficult to predict if the football program goes into the tank. If Kraft wasn't previously aware of that, he became painfully so in the last three weeks. That was his primary motivation for pulling the trigger.

Let's not pretend that $50 million, or $8 million a year is peanuts to a $220 million organization, or even one of a $300 million. It isn't.
 

WestSideLion

All-American
May 29, 2001
4,695
5,164
113
Where do you find "depreciation" or other non-cash items on the athletic department's financials? To a very large degree they are WYSIWYG. You would lose your bet.

Yes, there will be future large cash flow increases and outflows. One expects Kraft has a reasonably good handle on these. They become more difficult to predict if the football program goes into the tank. If Kraft wasn't previously aware of that, he became painfully so in the last three weeks. That was his primary motivation for pulling the trigger.

Let's not pretend that $50 million, or $8 million a year is peanuts to a $220 million organization, or even one of a $300 million. It isn't.
I did not say $8 million is peanuts. I said that it won't be nearly as crippling as many believe for a variety of reasons, including the likelihood that Franklin coaches Power 5 football again in the near future. Just that happening likely halves (or more) what Penn State would owe him annually.

The athletic department does not disclose specific depreciation or amortization schedules in its financial reporting. That rolls up to the University level and is likely buried in much bigger line items. But there are a few listed expense items that figure to have significant depreciation, amortization and interest charges:

  • Equipment: $6.1M
  • Game Equipment: $17.0M
  • Facilities Debt/Fees/Rent: $17.3M
  • Direct Overhead/Admin: $17.6M
That's almost $60 million in costs accounted for in a single year. I'd bet some chunk of that is accounting based and the money stays within the program and is available for different purposes if needed.

There are accountants on the board who know more than me. I'd love to hear their thoughts.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Itraindogs

PSUFTG

All-Conference
Nov 1, 2021
2,079
3,285
113
I think I will make this my one and only and last post on the topic - because most people will just believe what they want, especially when fed massive amounts of agreeable disinformation:

1) Most of the marginal revenues (up-front deposits for suites, naming rights, etc) from Beaver stadium bit are front loaded, most of the expenses are back-loaded (long-term debt etc) [FWIW: Most of the other numerous capital projects within ICA are also back-end loaded - and drive NO increases to revenue. Which is neither surprising or unusual]
Even if PSU hits every one of their revenue targets (FWIW: I didn't find the revenue targets to be out of line), the expense targets were clearly fantastical ("made up" to try to show a long-term breakeven on cash flows would be a more accurate description. Even in the short time since that project was approved, expense increases blew past their "projections" like a Maserati blowing past a hay wagon. So those concerns were anything but unfounded).
Due to the front-loaded revenues, PSU ICA should - even with very poor fiscal restraint - show fairly significant positive cash flows for the next few years, but within 5-6 years, tops, due to the drop off of the one-time revenues, and the growth of the long-term expenses, PSU ICA will be significantly under water - and descending at ever increasing rates. None of this is rocket science. And it is now baked in the cake.

2) Just a FWIW, since it was mentioned: PSU is a tax-exempt educational institution. "Depreciation" does not generate cash flows (which, for a typical for-profit corporation only generate cash flows by reducing tax liability - which is essentially non-applicable, aside from a few small tangents, for an institution like PSU - thank goodness)

3) Also, since it was mentioned: The parameters of the Adidas deal are not even in the same zip code of what has been presented by PSU leadership. It is what it is. Even if they were, not nearly enough to make a dent in the fiscal cliff PSU is now committed to.

4) Any further unanticipated expenses (like the HCJF contract bit) would only further exacerbate the problems. That said, unless PSU is far more fiduciarily unwise than I would believe - the expense there will be a small slice of the numbers being widely reported. ANY expense there would likely only be enough to allow PSU to remain in the good graces of Jimmy Sexton.

5) "Breaking Even" on the ICA operating budget - which is essentially what transpired last year - is not a good thing [FWIW: Hell, they even managed to not make any substantive profit from Men's Basketball - which has always been a cash cow - much smaller cow than football, of course - for major conference schools, including Penn State]. Not even close. that would only mean you are paying your current bills, with nothing left to save for/pay off the costs of all the capital projects - and you can only pile up debt for so long before it explodes.
For some context, aside from the COVID year, I do not believe PSU ever had a year as bad as "break even" on operating budget even under Sandy Barbour (I wouldn't swear to that without re-checking the historical figures, but I believe that is correct. Maybe one of the "sanction" years?). Under Pat Kraft the financials have gotten MUCH worse, and so much of the "worse" is now baked into the cake. Think about that for a moment.

6) When the chickens come home to roost - at which point all or most of those responsible will be long gone, the options are what they are - and, IMO, none of them are good:
- Drastically reduce funding/underfund to everything but football. Trim back the ginormous bureaucracy within PSU ICA. I expect a good bit of that may happen - when the situation becomes otherwise untenable - but even that won't be nearly enough, and far too late.
- Continue robbing Peter to pay Paul. FWIW: In addition to the blooming of "standard" debt, that is, in essence, what any "Private Equity" talk does as well - should it come to fruition - which I think it will (not directly by PSU, which would likely be illegal), but via the conference).
FWIW: that deal will be net long-term negative to the conference - significantly so (Anyone should be able to figure that out) but will likely be done anyway as a pretext to move to unequal distribution/sharing among conference members, and as a "can-kick". The "haves", the OSU, Michigan, PSU types desperately want/need unequal sharing (where they get more) but they would face a very uphill battle getting enough of the university presidents (many of whom would, of course, be getting lesser shares) to agree to that outright. Going through the contortions of this "separate entity" allows them to work around that issue - but the long-term strategy is: more for the "haves", less for the "have nots". Is that good or bad? Depends on perspective, but I think anyone can see where it leads. [BTW: PSU ICA is not the only athletic department facing the same issues. Including many of the "Blue Bloods"]
- The obvious: PSU ICA being supported by university funds outside of ICA. When expenses exceed revenues, and you can no longer kick the can down the road through blossoming debt (which, of course, is a liability of the university), the difference has to come from somewhere. You can look at all of the university's revenue streams - and where can funds be siphoned off - and there are only so many options. So, exempting some minor miracle - like unanticipated lines of Donors writing out annual checks for 8 and 9 figures [Spoiler, that is not a "plan"] - it is not difficult to decipher.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sharkies and 84lion

Erial_Lion

All-Conference
Nov 1, 2021
3,483
4,252
113
Let's not pretend that $50 million, or $8 million a year is peanuts to a $220 million organization, or even one of a $300 million. It isn't.
Exactly...especially when that organization (or that group that it's part of) is already looking at selling off some of their future earnings for a one-time cash payment due to the need for immediate $$$.

Is a 10% growth rate (as the previous poster assumed) really sustainable? What happens if/when we're not growing at 10%, or God forbid, a coaching hire doesn't work out and we actually slide backwards a bit (or the college football bubble bursts to some extent)? Should we be writing checks right now that will be cashed well down the road based on assumptions that we'll continue growing at 10% and always be able to put 107k into Beaver Stadium every Saturday?
 

Erial_Lion

All-Conference
Nov 1, 2021
3,483
4,252
113
I did not say $8 million is peanuts. I said that it won't be nearly as crippling as many believe for a variety of reasons, including the likelihood that Franklin coaches Power 5 football again in the near future. Just that happening likely halves (or more) what Penn State would owe him annually.
Who knows...could he end up doing what Manny did here and take well under the perceived market value since it doesn't matter to him?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sharkies and VT00

WestSideLion

All-American
May 29, 2001
4,695
5,164
113
I think I will make this my one and only and last post on the topic - because most people will just believe what they want, especially when fed massive amounts of agreeable disinformation:

1) Most of the marginal revenues (up-front deposits for suites, naming rights, etc) from Beaver stadium bit are front loaded, most of the expenses are back-loaded (long-term debt etc) [FWIW: Most of the other numerous capital projects within ICA are also back-end loaded - and drive NO increases to revenue. Which is neither surprising or unusual]
Even if PSU hits every one of their revenue targets (FWIW: I didn't find the revenue targets to be out of line), the expense targets were clearly fantastical ("made up" to try to show a long-term breakeven on cash flows would be a more accurate description. Even in the short time since that project was approved, expense increases blew past their "projections" like a Maserati blowing past a hay wagon. So those concerns were anything but unfounded).
Due to the front-loaded revenues, PSU ICA should - even with very poor fiscal restraint - show fairly significant positive cash flows for the next few years, but within 5-6 years, tops, due to the drop off of the one-time revenues, and the growth of the long-term expenses, PSU ICA will be significantly under water - and descending at ever increasing rates. None of this is rocket science. And it is now baked in the cake.

2) Just a FWIW, since it was mentioned: PSU is a tax-exempt educational institution. "Depreciation" does not generate cash flows (which, for a typical for-profit corporation only generate cash flows by reducing tax liability - which is essentially non-applicable, aside from a few small tangents, for an institution like PSU - thank goodness)

3) Also, since it was mentioned: The parameters of the Adidas deal are not even in the same zip code of what has been presented by PSU leadership. It is what it is. Even if they were, not nearly enough to make a dent in the fiscal cliff PSU is now committed to.

4) Any further unanticipated expenses (like the HCJF contract bit) would only further exacerbate the problems. That said, unless PSU is far more fiduciarily unwise than I would believe - the expense there will be a small slice of the numbers being widely reported. ANY expense there would likely only be enough to allow PSU to remain in the good graces of Jimmy Sexton.

5) "Breaking Even" on the ICA operating budget - which is essentially what transpired last year - is not a good thing [FWIW: Hell, they even managed to not make any substantive profit from Men's Basketball - which has always been a cash cow - much smaller cow than football, of course - for major conference schools, including Penn State]. Not even close. that would only mean you are paying your current bills, with nothing left to save for/pay off the costs of all the capital projects - and you can only pile up debt for so long before it explodes.
For some context, aside from the COVID year, I do not believe PSU ever had a year as bad as "break even" on operating budget even under Sandy Barbour (I wouldn't swear to that without re-checking the historical figures, but I believe that is correct. Maybe one of the "sanction" years?). Under Pat Kraft the financials have gotten MUCH worse, and so much of the "worse" is now baked into the cake. Think about that for a moment.

6) When the chickens come home to roost - at which point all or most of those responsible will be long gone, the options are what they are - and, IMO, none of them are good:
- Drastically reduce funding/underfund to everything but football. Trim back the ginormous bureaucracy within PSU ICA. I expect a good bit of that may happen - when the situation becomes otherwise untenable - but even that won't be nearly enough, and far too late.
- Continue robbing Peter to pay Paul. FWIW: In addition to the blooming of "standard" debt, that is, in essence, what any "Private Equity" talk does as well - should it come to fruition - which I think it will (not directly by PSU, which would likely be illegal), but via the conference).
FWIW: that deal will be net long-term negative to the conference - significantly so (Anyone should be able to figure that out) but will likely be done anyway as a pretext to move to unequal distribution/sharing among conference members, and as a "can-kick". The "haves", the OSU, Michigan, PSU types desperately want/need unequal sharing (where they get more) but they would face a very uphill battle getting enough of the university presidents (many of whom would, of course, be getting lesser shares) to agree to that outright. Going through the contortions of this "separate entity" allows them to work around that issue - but the long-term strategy is: more for the "haves", less for the "have nots". Is that good or bad? Depends on perspective, but I think anyone can see where it leads. [BTW: PSU ICA is not the only athletic department facing the same issues. Including many of the "Blue Bloods"]
- The obvious: PSU ICA being supported by university funds outside of ICA. When expenses exceed revenues, and you can no longer kick the can down the road through blossoming debt (which, of course, is a liability of the university), the difference has to come from somewhere. You can look at all of the university's revenue streams - and where can funds be siphoned off - and there are only so many options. So, exempting some minor miracle - like unanticipated lines of Donors writing out annual checks for 8 and 9 figures [Spoiler, that is not a "plan"] - it is not difficult to decipher.
So the University and athletic department don't pay any taxes for UBTI? The media money? Licensing income? Ticket revenue? Etc?
 

WestSideLion

All-American
May 29, 2001
4,695
5,164
113
Who knows...could he end up doing what Manny did here and take well under the perceived market value since it doesn't matter to him?
Manny was a coordinator here. That's a much smaller income than head coach. Based on what we know about Franklin and his overall body of work at Penn State, do we really see him taking a step down as a "doer?"

That could happen, but he's a CEO type not a schematics type. His strengths would be misused as a coordinator or staff assistant. I think Franklin's ambitions far outweigh his desire to stick it to Penn State.
 

WVilleLion23

All-Conference
Oct 27, 2022
1,332
1,922
82
Maybe I missed it, but where is the proof that Adidas paid for part of Franklin’s buyout?
 

Erial_Lion

All-Conference
Nov 1, 2021
3,483
4,252
113
Manny was a coordinator here. That's a much smaller income than head coach. Based on what we know about Franklin and his overall body of work at Penn State, do we really see him taking a step down as a "doer?"

That could happen, but he's a CEO type not a schematics type. His strengths would be misused as a coordinator or staff assistant. I think Franklin's ambitions far outweigh his desire to stick it to Penn State.
I'm not saying it in terms of the drop from HC to OC...I was saying it in the sense that Manny was earning a salary from PSU that was well under market value, due to the fact that what PSU paid him meant nothing since it just cut into what Miami had to pay him. If Franklin took the VT job at $1/year, I'm sure PSU's lawyers would come calling. However, while the market might dictate $6 million/year under other circumstances, since it doesn't matter, he takes $2 million/year and everyone (other than PSU) is happy (but it's enough that we wouldn't fight it).
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Sharkies and PSUFTG

kgilbert78

All-Conference
Apr 9, 2013
919
1,481
93
Maybe I missed it, but where is the proof that Adidas paid for part of Franklin’s buyout?
I'm not sure there is, but ... money is fungible, and as the adidas money is ICA revenue, some of that will almost certainly go there, aside from possible creative bookkeeping.
 

PSUFTG

All-Conference
Nov 1, 2021
2,079
3,285
113
I'm saying it in terms of the drop from HC to OC...I was saying it in the sense that Manny was earning a salary from PSU that was well under market value, due to the fact that what PSU paid him meant nothing since it just cut into what Miami had to pay him. If Franklin took the VT job at $1/year, I'm sure PSU's lawyers would come calling. However, while the market might dictate $6 million/year under other circumstances, since it doesn't matter, he takes $2 million/year and everyone (other than PSU) is happy (but it's enough that we wouldn't fight it).
PSU would DEFINITELY fight, and win, if HCJF was signed to a deal at $2 M per year as a P4 Head Coach, and it wouldn't even be a close contest So much so, that no other university would even try to pull that off.
I've lost count of exactly how many P4 teams there are right now, but at least 50 of them pay their current HC $6 million+. Which would leave PSU's required contribution at $2 m or less - even in the first year.

FWIW, A common point would be - what did you pay the last guy? Nearly every school that would be interested in HCJF already pays their guy $6 M+ - In the SEC, for example, all but, IIRC Miss State and one other?.
And I think 13 of the 16 pay either more than $8, or at least $7 - so PSU's "contribution" would be negligible. At least 13 of the 18 in the Big Ten are at $7+ (and that is not counting bonuses and what not).

When Diaz came to PSU as a DC, I think he was paid the same as PSU's prior DC (or damn near it) and $500,000 at that time was very much in market range for P4 coordinators. So Miami had no cause of action there.


All of it becomes moot, of course, if the two sides reach a negotiated settlement - which i think is VERY likely. That makes things far, far, less messy going forward - for everyone.
If so, PSU would be very foolish to agree to any amount anywhere near $50 million (for obvious reasons)..... maybe $5-10 million as a one time "we are done - peace be with you" bit.... just to keep Jimmy Sexton from being pissed off. HCJF would be equally foolish to NOT accept such a deal - because then he pockets the - let's say $10 million - and can go work elsewhere for $7 or $8 or more per year, and still keep the check from PSU.
When something makes so much sense for all parties - it is hard for that to NOT be the solution.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: WestSideLion

WestSideLion

All-American
May 29, 2001
4,695
5,164
113
I'm not saying it in terms of the drop from HC to OC...I was saying it in the sense that Manny was earning a salary from PSU that was well under market value, due to the fact that what PSU paid him meant nothing since it just cut into what Miami had to pay him. If Franklin took the VT job at $1/year, I'm sure PSU's lawyers would come calling. However, while the market might dictate $6 million/year under other circumstances, since it doesn't matter, he takes $2 million/year and everyone (other than PSU) is happy (but it's enough that we wouldn't fight it).
I would expect PSU to sue Franklin's a$$ off if he took a Power 4 head coaching job at $2 million a year. Pry was making $5 million a year at Va Tech without Franklin's resume. I'd expect that to be the floor for a guy like Franklin's next job.

And keep in mind that the salary Franklin starts at will directly impact his next contract. It benefits him and Sexton to start as high as possible and try to negotiate upward from there.
 
  • Like
Reactions: PSUFTG

NoSoup4U

Senior
Jan 17, 2002
636
886
93
I would expect PSU to sue Franklin's a$$ off if he took a Power 4 head coaching job at $2 million a year. Pry was making $5 million a year at Va Tech without Franklin's resume. I'd expect that to be the floor for a guy like Franklin's next job.

And keep in mind that the salary Franklin starts at will directly impact his next contract. It benefits him and Sexton to start as high as possible and try to negotiate upward from there.
can we even comprehend what you just said about Pry?? 5 million a year??? for what exactly?? built on what kind of resume? This **** is just out of control
 

Erial_Lion

All-Conference
Nov 1, 2021
3,483
4,252
113
When Diaz came to PSU as a DC, I think he was paid the same as PSU's prior DC (or damn near it) and $500,000 at that time was very much in market range for P4 coordinators. So Miami had no cause of action there.
Pry made a little over 1.6 million when he left.
 

DELion

Senior
May 23, 2020
293
588
93
I think I will make this my one and only and last post on the topic - because most people will just believe what they want, especially when fed massive amounts of agreeable disinformation:

1) Most of the marginal revenues (up-front deposits for suites, naming rights, etc) from Beaver stadium bit are front loaded, most of the expenses are back-loaded (long-term debt etc) [FWIW: Most of the other numerous capital projects within ICA are also back-end loaded - and drive NO increases to revenue. Which is neither surprising or unusual]
Even if PSU hits every one of their revenue targets (FWIW: I didn't find the revenue targets to be out of line), the expense targets were clearly fantastical ("made up" to try to show a long-term breakeven on cash flows would be a more accurate description. Even in the short time since that project was approved, expense increases blew past their "projections" like a Maserati blowing past a hay wagon. So those concerns were anything but unfounded).
Due to the front-loaded revenues, PSU ICA should - even with very poor fiscal restraint - show fairly significant positive cash flows for the next few years, but within 5-6 years, tops, due to the drop off of the one-time revenues, and the growth of the long-term expenses, PSU ICA will be significantly under water - and descending at ever increasing rates. None of this is rocket science. And it is now baked in the cake.

2) Just a FWIW, since it was mentioned: PSU is a tax-exempt educational institution. "Depreciation" does not generate cash flows (which, for a typical for-profit corporation only generate cash flows by reducing tax liability - which is essentially non-applicable, aside from a few small tangents, for an institution like PSU - thank goodness)

3) Also, since it was mentioned: The parameters of the Adidas deal are not even in the same zip code of what has been presented by PSU leadership. It is what it is. Even if they were, not nearly enough to make a dent in the fiscal cliff PSU is now committed to.

4) Any further unanticipated expenses (like the HCJF contract bit) would only further exacerbate the problems. That said, unless PSU is far more fiduciarily unwise than I would believe - the expense there will be a small slice of the numbers being widely reported. ANY expense there would likely only be enough to allow PSU to remain in the good graces of Jimmy Sexton.

5) "Breaking Even" on the ICA operating budget - which is essentially what transpired last year - is not a good thing [FWIW: Hell, they even managed to not make any substantive profit from Men's Basketball - which has always been a cash cow - much smaller cow than football, of course - for major conference schools, including Penn State]. Not even close. that would only mean you are paying your current bills, with nothing left to save for/pay off the costs of all the capital projects - and you can only pile up debt for so long before it explodes.
For some context, aside from the COVID year, I do not believe PSU ever had a year as bad as "break even" on operating budget even under Sandy Barbour (I wouldn't swear to that without re-checking the historical figures, but I believe that is correct. Maybe one of the "sanction" years?). Under Pat Kraft the financials have gotten MUCH worse, and so much of the "worse" is now baked into the cake. Think about that for a moment.

6) When the chickens come home to roost - at which point all or most of those responsible will be long gone, the options are what they are - and, IMO, none of them are good:
- Drastically reduce funding/underfund to everything but football. Trim back the ginormous bureaucracy within PSU ICA. I expect a good bit of that may happen - when the situation becomes otherwise untenable - but even that won't be nearly enough, and far too late.
- Continue robbing Peter to pay Paul. FWIW: In addition to the blooming of "standard" debt, that is, in essence, what any "Private Equity" talk does as well - should it come to fruition - which I think it will (not directly by PSU, which would likely be illegal), but via the conference).
FWIW: that deal will be net long-term negative to the conference - significantly so (Anyone should be able to figure that out) but will likely be done anyway as a pretext to move to unequal distribution/sharing among conference members, and as a "can-kick". The "haves", the OSU, Michigan, PSU types desperately want/need unequal sharing (where they get more) but they would face a very uphill battle getting enough of the university presidents (many of whom would, of course, be getting lesser shares) to agree to that outright. Going through the contortions of this "separate entity" allows them to work around that issue - but the long-term strategy is: more for the "haves", less for the "have nots". Is that good or bad? Depends on perspective, but I think anyone can see where it leads. [BTW: PSU ICA is not the only athletic department facing the same issues. Including many of the "Blue Bloods"]
- The obvious: PSU ICA being supported by university funds outside of ICA. When expenses exceed revenues, and you can no longer kick the can down the road through blossoming debt (which, of course, is a liability of the university), the difference has to come from somewhere. You can look at all of the university's revenue streams - and where can funds be siphoned off - and there are only so many options. So, exempting some minor miracle - like unanticipated lines of Donors writing out annual checks for 8 and 9 figures [Spoiler, that is not a "plan"] - it is not difficult to decipher.
You have to wonder how long intercollegiate athletics will be considered a non-profit entity the way things are going. I think as long as the athletes are taking classes, you can argue that the athletic department is related to the university's educational mission. If at some point athletes forego education all together, I think university athletic departments will have to start paying taxes on income (Unrelated Business Income Tax). It is perhaps one of the few restraining forces preventing them from becoming pure football factories.
 
  • Like
Reactions: op2

PSUFTG

All-Conference
Nov 1, 2021
2,079
3,285
113
I think I will make this my one and only and last post on the topic - because most people will just believe what they want, especially when fed massive amounts of agreeable disinformation:

1) Most of the marginal revenues (up-front deposits for suites, naming rights, etc) from Beaver stadium bit are front loaded, most of the expenses are back-loaded (long-term debt etc) [FWIW: Most of the other numerous capital projects within ICA are also back-end loaded - and drive NO increases to revenue. Which is neither surprising or unusual]
Even if PSU hits every one of their revenue targets (FWIW: I didn't find the revenue targets to be out of line), the expense targets were clearly fantastical ("made up" to try to show a long-term breakeven on cash flows would be a more accurate description. Even in the short time since that project was approved, expense increases blew past their "projections" like a Maserati blowing past a hay wagon. So those concerns were anything but unfounded).
Due to the front-loaded revenues, PSU ICA should - even with very poor fiscal restraint - show fairly significant positive cash flows for the next few years, but within 5-6 years, tops, due to the drop off of the one-time revenues, and the growth of the long-term expenses, PSU ICA will be significantly under water - and descending at ever increasing rates. None of this is rocket science. And it is now baked in the cake.

2) Just a FWIW, since it was mentioned: PSU is a tax-exempt educational institution. "Depreciation" does not generate cash flows (which, for a typical for-profit corporation only generate cash flows by reducing tax liability - which is essentially non-applicable, aside from a few small tangents, for an institution like PSU - thank goodness)

3) Also, since it was mentioned: The parameters of the Adidas deal are not even in the same zip code of what has been presented by PSU leadership. It is what it is. Even if they were, not nearly enough to make a dent in the fiscal cliff PSU is now committed to.

4) Any further unanticipated expenses (like the HCJF contract bit) would only further exacerbate the problems. That said, unless PSU is far more fiduciarily unwise than I would believe - the expense there will be a small slice of the numbers being widely reported. ANY expense there would likely only be enough to allow PSU to remain in the good graces of Jimmy Sexton.

5) "Breaking Even" on the ICA operating budget - which is essentially what transpired last year - is not a good thing [FWIW: Hell, they even managed to not make any substantive profit from Men's Basketball - which has always been a cash cow - much smaller cow than football, of course - for major conference schools, including Penn State]. Not even close. that would only mean you are paying your current bills, with nothing left to save for/pay off the costs of all the capital projects - and you can only pile up debt for so long before it explodes.
For some context, aside from the COVID year, I do not believe PSU ever had a year as bad as "break even" on operating budget even under Sandy Barbour (I wouldn't swear to that without re-checking the historical figures, but I believe that is correct. Maybe one of the "sanction" years?). Under Pat Kraft the financials have gotten MUCH worse, and so much of the "worse" is now baked into the cake. Think about that for a moment.

6) When the chickens come home to roost - at which point all or most of those responsible will be long gone, the options are what they are - and, IMO, none of them are good:
- Drastically reduce funding/underfund to everything but football. Trim back the ginormous bureaucracy within PSU ICA. I expect a good bit of that may happen - when the situation becomes otherwise untenable - but even that won't be nearly enough, and far too late.
- Continue robbing Peter to pay Paul. FWIW: In addition to the blooming of "standard" debt, that is, in essence, what any "Private Equity" talk does as well - should it come to fruition - which I think it will (not directly by PSU, which would likely be illegal), but via the conference).
FWIW: that deal will be net long-term negative to the conference - significantly so (Anyone should be able to figure that out) but will likely be done anyway as a pretext to move to unequal distribution/sharing among conference members, and as a "can-kick". The "haves", the OSU, Michigan, PSU types desperately want/need unequal sharing (where they get more) but they would face a very uphill battle getting enough of the university presidents (many of whom would, of course, be getting lesser shares) to agree to that outright. Going through the contortions of this "separate entity" allows them to work around that issue - but the long-term strategy is: more for the "haves", less for the "have nots". Is that good or bad? Depends on perspective, but I think anyone can see where it leads. [BTW: PSU ICA is not the only athletic department facing the same issues. Including many of the "Blue Bloods"]
- The obvious: PSU ICA being supported by university funds outside of ICA. When expenses exceed revenues, and you can no longer kick the can down the road through blossoming debt (which, of course, is a liability of the university), the difference has to come from somewhere. You can look at all of the university's revenue streams - and where can funds be siphoned off - and there are only so many options. So, exempting some minor miracle - like unanticipated lines of Donors writing out annual checks for 8 and 9 figures [Spoiler, that is not a "plan"] - it is not difficult to decipher.
FWIW: I don't know this guy (some higher education lawyer or some such thing) - but this is spot on wrt the "private equity" bit:

And the "fiduciaries" at PSU are your beloved Board of Trustees. Sleep well.

1760460447975.png

1760460513839.png
 

Mufasa94

Senior
Jan 9, 2009
1,105
944
113
Hopefully a good portion of what is owed to former CJF can be offset by his future salary and (cross fingers) Adidas “bonus” money.

This mid season firing allows Franklin two additional months to clear his head. I don’t imagine he wants the lasting impression of his coaching career to be these last two games.
 

Nitt1300

Heisman
Nov 2, 2008
6,636
12,442
113
Penn State uses the same accounting system that the US Government does- just keep pretending that it's all ok until the house of cards comes down. We older guys may yet miss it- but you younger guys won't.
 

BobPSU92

Heisman
Aug 22, 2001
42,513
33,119
113
Penn State uses the same accounting system that the US Government does- just keep pretending that it's all ok until the house of cards comes down. We older guys may yet miss it- but you younger guys won't.

But PSU is too big to fail.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sharkies
Jun 26, 2025
650
525
93
Since January - player retention in NIL, transfer portal acquisitions, Jim Knowles 3.5 million salary, 700 million stadium renovation. Not to mention facilities upgrades over the last couple years. Then throw in a 50 million buyout on Franklin's contract. And the search for a new elite HC + staff.

Has Kraft rounded up the biggest donors? I know adidas has added a significant amount of money. But for a school that we were told was way behind in NIL and other aspects of funding, what changed?

And does anyone see PSU being bigger players in NIL/recruiting moving forward? Franklin's last couple of classes were not going to cut it.

You people keep misstating the structure of CJF's "employment guarantee" as a one-time "buyout" of the remainder of his contract. This is NOT the way employment guarantees typically work. They are typically structured as running guarantees of an Employee's Compensation Package. Furthermore, the "guaranteed employee" typically has an obligation to make a good-faith effort to mitigate the guarantee -- IOW, find new employment). So again, this notion that one-time $50 million payment is now due to James Franklin - it does not work that way. What will be due Franklin is the difference between his ongoing compensation payments and whatever he earns from a new employment through the end of his guarantee period paid on an "as you go basis". This notion of a one-time immediate check of $50 million is nonsense.
 

cjrugger

All-American
Dec 13, 2017
2,509
5,040
113
Quoting your own 'this will by my last post on this topic' after making a bunch of other posts on the topic already today is really elite level stuff
 

Midnighter

Heisman
Jan 22, 2021
11,422
18,796
113
I would expect PSU to sue Franklin's a$$ off if he took a Power 4 head coaching job at $2 million a year. Pry was making $5 million a year at Va Tech without Franklin's resume. I'd expect that to be the floor for a guy like Franklin's next job.

And keep in mind that the salary Franklin starts at will directly impact his next contract. It benefits him and Sexton to start as high as possible and try to negotiate upward from there.

Arkansas did this to Bielema and won.
 

Sharkies

Senior
Jun 14, 2013
159
469
53
Manny was a coordinator here. That's a much smaller income than head coach. Based on what we know about Franklin and his overall body of work at Penn State, do we really see him taking a step down as a "doer?"

That could happen, but he's a CEO type not a schematics type. His strengths would be misused as a coordinator or staff assistant. I think Franklin's ambitions far outweigh his desire to stick it to Penn State.
I disagree with you here - I wouldn't be shocked to see him take a year off and then take a low level coordinator gig. He looks burnt out.
 

Sharkies

Senior
Jun 14, 2013
159
469
53
I'm not saying it in terms of the drop from HC to OC...I was saying it in the sense that Manny was earning a salary from PSU that was well under market value, due to the fact that what PSU paid him meant nothing since it just cut into what Miami had to pay him. If Franklin took the VT job at $1/year, I'm sure PSU's lawyers would come calling. However, while the market might dictate $6 million/year under other circumstances, since it doesn't matter, he takes $2 million/year and everyone (other than PSU) is happy (but it's enough that we wouldn't fight it).
This is what I think will actually happen.
 

WestSideLion

All-American
May 29, 2001
4,695
5,164
113
Arkansas did this to Bielema and won.
There's enough data available for P4 head coaching jobs that it would be obvious if this happened. I believe the P4 average head coach salary is $6.2M. Franklin's resume is above the average.
 

WestSideLion

All-American
May 29, 2001
4,695
5,164
113
I disagree with you here - I wouldn't be shocked to see him take a year off and then take a low level coordinator gig. He looks burnt out.
You may be right. Franklin just always struck me as "high ego." Coordinators work harder than head coaches and get way less glory and media time.