Where is our Jalen Tate?

GatoLouco

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Let me tell you about Jalen Tate. A combo guard who played last night for the Arkansas Razorbacks. Received a lot of compliments from the broadcasting booth. Deservedly so. A kid with no fear, with a high energy engine and a lot of maturity on the court.

I know his game, I saw him play maybe 40 to 50 times. I was a season ticket holder for Northern Kentucky in 17/18 and 18/19
-In 17/18 he was a scrawny kid who played 20+ minutes in a good (for Horizon League standards) team. He played because he played defense seriously. He was a redshirt FR with an attitude, who even dared to taunt and get on opponents' faces. His shooting was mediocre and he clearly (and seriously) lacked leg strength. At 6'6 he appeared to just barely being able to dunk.
-In 18/19, with the departure of some seniors, he stepped up to a more prominent role on offense. His shooting improved but not much. He had good shooting percentages though. Attempting 3 pt shots only when wide open and sticking to field goals close to the basket.
-In 19/20 (not a season ticket holder anymore) I watched him play a few times on ESPN+. He was injured a good 1/3 of the season. It was a repeat of the previous season for him, with very poor 3 pt shooting as he was more heavily guarded.

Having graduated from NKU he transferred to Arkansas. This kid did not transfer because he a physical specimen. He still seriously lacked leaping ability and was not explosive. He was a competent offensive player who knew his role and when to take, and not take, shots. He was a great defender, two time DPOY. Length for a guard was good and just guts. Lots of it.

At Arkansas he continued to be the same type of player. Mediocre from long range, good from close to (maybe) mid range. Good 3 pt percentage explained by just taking very good open shots. He was heavily used as a point guard. I think he probably played 20% of his time at NKY as a PG. It showed in the stats, respectable 3.8 assists, not so respectable 2.6 turnovers. Solid 10.9/3.8/3.8 while shooting 48.2%.

Last night I heard a large amount of compliments on Jalen. Highlighted by calling him "Northern Kentucky's gift to the state of Arkansas". Why is it that a kid with a poor shot and, apart from good length for a guard, not particularly athletic, was such a great get for the Razorbacks? I think I know the answer. He was a 5th year senior who knew what he could and could not do. Experience and maturity matter. A lot.

So this brings me to NU, where is our Jalen Tate? Does it make sense we can find players like him in the Portal? Are admission standards, by themselves, enough to think we are doomed to fail if we try to find them? We had 3 unused schollies last year. Seniors and maturity matter. They might eat up other people's minutes but they also make them better. Make younger players more mature. Leadership. Practice quality. They all matter.

PS-I hate the portal. I think it's fair to kids to have the chance to transfer and even support to 1 time exception without sitting out rule. But I hate what it does to the mid majors. It just helps concentrating talent in the power conferences.
 

mekCat

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Maybe he's their Anthony Gaines, who has very good shooting percentages even thought he'd not a great shooter.
 

willycat

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Let me tell you about Jalen Tate. A combo guard who played last night for the Arkansas Razorbacks. Received a lot of compliments from the broadcasting booth. Deservedly so. A kid with no fear, with a high energy engine and a lot of maturity on the court.

I know his game, I saw him play maybe 40 to 50 times. I was a season ticket holder for Northern Kentucky in 17/18 and 18/19
-In 17/18 he was a scrawny kid who played 20+ minutes in a good (for Horizon League standards) team. He played because he played defense seriously. He was a redshirt FR with an attitude, who even dared to taunt and get on opponents' faces. His shooting was mediocre and he clearly (and seriously) lacked leg strength. At 6'6 he appeared to just barely being able to dunk.
-In 18/19, with the departure of some seniors, he stepped up to a more prominent role on offense. His shooting improved but not much. He had good shooting percentages though. Attempting 3 pt shots only when wide open and sticking to field goals close to the basket.
-In 19/20 (not a season ticket holder anymore) I watched him play a few times on ESPN+. He was injured a good 1/3 of the season. It was a repeat of the previous season for him, with very poor 3 pt shooting as he was more heavily guarded.

Having graduated from NKU he transferred to Arkansas. This kid did not transfer because he a physical specimen. He still seriously lacked leaping ability and was not explosive. He was a competent offensive player who knew his role and when to take, and not take, shots. He was a great defender, two time DPOY. Length for a guard was good and just guts. Lots of it.

At Arkansas he continued to be the same type of player. Mediocre from long range, good from close to (maybe) mid range. Good 3 pt percentage explained by just taking very good open shots. He was heavily used as a point guard. I think he probably played 20% of his time at NKY as a PG. It showed in the stats, respectable 3.8 assists, not so respectable 2.6 turnovers. Solid 10.9/3.8/3.8 while shooting 48.2%.

Last night I heard a large amount of compliments on Jalen. Highlighted by calling him "Northern Kentucky's gift to the state of Arkansas". Why is it that a kid with a poor shot and, apart from good length for a guard, not particularly athletic, was such a great get for the Razorbacks? I think I know the answer. He was a 5th year senior who knew what he could and could not do. Experience and maturity matter. A lot.

So this brings me to NU, where is our Jalen Tate? Does it make sense we can find players like him in the Portal? Are admission standards, by themselves, enough to think we are doomed to fail if we try to find them? We had 3 unused schollies last year. Seniors and maturity matter. They might eat up other people's minutes but they also make them better. Make younger players more mature. Leadership. Practice quality. They all matter.

PS-I hate the portal. I think it's fair to kids to have the chance to transfer and even support to 1 time exception without sitting out rule. But I hate what it does to the mid majors. It just helps concentrating talent in the power conferences.
Why do you hate the portal. Coaches, AD's and others can change locations and jobs at will, so why not these hard working athletes?
 

GatoLouco

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Why do you hate the portal. Coaches, AD's and others can change locations and jobs at will, so why not these hard working athletes?
Hating does not mean I believe the portal should not exist. I thought that was clear by me saying I think the portal is fair to players and even believe kids should be allowed to transfer once without sitting out.
 

Purple Pile Driver

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Hating does not mean I believe the portal should not exist. I thought that was clear by me saying I think the portal is fair to players and even believe kids should be allowed to transfer once without sitting out.
There are also players that leave P5 for mid majors. Players often tend to gravitate to the level they can excel at.
 

willycat

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Hating does not mean I believe the portal should not exist. I thought that was clear by me saying I think the portal is fair to players and even believe kids should be allowed to transfer once without sitting out.
Hate = intense, passionate dislike. Could have fooled me and I'm sure a lot of others.
 

GatoLouco

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Hate = intense, passionate dislike. Could have fooled me and I'm sure a lot of others.
Let me explain, with a comparable, like if I were talking to my 8 year old (her name is Alice):

Me: "I hate vegetables"
Alice: "Daddy, why do you want to get rid of vegetables?"
Me: "I do not want to get rid of vegetables, just don't like them"
Alice: "But daddy, you eat so many vegetables"
Me: "That's right, still hate them"
 

TheC

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I'm starting to conclude that I hate the portal. I just wonder if it's a continuation of this me-first, look-at-me era that seems to permeate American culture. Everyone wants instant gratification and attention all the time. The portal tells kids that if things aren't perfect, then just quit and go somewhere else. Never mind whether somewhere else is better for you in the long run. Don't overcome adversity. Don't sacrifice for others. Just leave.
 

Purple Pile Driver

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I'm starting to conclude that I hate the portal. I just wonder if it's a continuation of this me-first, look-at-me era that seems to permeate American culture. Everyone wants instant gratification and attention all the time. The portal tells kids that if things aren't perfect, then just quit and go somewhere else. Never mind whether somewhere else is better for you in the long run. Don't overcome adversity. Don't sacrifice for others. Just leave.
Then they will learn there lesson the hard way. Isn’t college about learning lessons?
 

SmellyCat

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I wish there weren’t so many in the portal but I’m ok with it. If students freely transfer to other schools if things don’t work out, I don’t see why student-athletes can’t too. Good for them.

As for the original question in this thread, I feel like Spencer was that guy last year. If NU had the same roster this year+Spencer, maybe they win a few more games and get on the bubble. Was Spencer a great D1 hoops player? No, but he sounds a lot like what you’re wishing for when you talk about Tate.
 

NUera

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The portal tells kids that if things aren't perfect, then just quit and go somewhere else. Never mind whether somewhere else is better for you in the long run. Don't overcome adversity. Don't sacrifice for others. Just leave.

To be fair, college coaches have been telling them that for decades, across every sport.
 

GatoLouco

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I wish there weren’t so many in the portal but I’m ok with it. If students freely transfer to other schools if things don’t work out, I don’t see why student-athletes can’t too. Good for them.

As for the original question in this thread, I feel like Spencer was that guy last year. If NU had the same roster this year+Spencer, maybe they win a few more games and get on the bubble. Was Spencer a great D1 hoops player? No, but he sounds a lot like what you’re wishing for when you talk about Tate.
I agree with you regarding Spencer. But he was not exactly a transfer portal guy. He was a phone call that fell on our lap when no one in a power conference would touch him.

Which makes the questions linger... are we working the portal and just getting nothing? Are we ignoring it? There are plenty of good teams composed of playing tinder in the portal.
 

NJCat

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are we working the portal and just getting nothing? Are we ignoring it? There are plenty of good teams composed of playing tinder in the portal.
I wouldn't call Audige "nothing"......he was the leading scorer last season.
 
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Let me tell you about Jalen Tate. A combo guard who played last night for the Arkansas Razorbacks. Received a lot of compliments from the broadcasting booth. Deservedly so. A kid with no fear, with a high energy engine and a lot of maturity on the court.

I know his game, I saw him play maybe 40 to 50 times. I was a season ticket holder for Northern Kentucky in 17/18 and 18/19
-In 17/18 he was a scrawny kid who played 20+ minutes in a good (for Horizon League standards) team. He played because he played defense seriously. He was a redshirt FR with an attitude, who even dared to taunt and get on opponents' faces. His shooting was mediocre and he clearly (and seriously) lacked leg strength. At 6'6 he appeared to just barely being able to dunk.
-In 18/19, with the departure of some seniors, he stepped up to a more prominent role on offense. His shooting improved but not much. He had good shooting percentages though. Attempting 3 pt shots only when wide open and sticking to field goals close to the basket.
-In 19/20 (not a season ticket holder anymore) I watched him play a few times on ESPN+. He was injured a good 1/3 of the season. It was a repeat of the previous season for him, with very poor 3 pt shooting as he was more heavily guarded.

Having graduated from NKU he transferred to Arkansas. This kid did not transfer because he a physical specimen. He still seriously lacked leaping ability and was not explosive. He was a competent offensive player who knew his role and when to take, and not take, shots. He was a great defender, two time DPOY. Length for a guard was good and just guts. Lots of it.

At Arkansas he continued to be the same type of player. Mediocre from long range, good from close to (maybe) mid range. Good 3 pt percentage explained by just taking very good open shots. He was heavily used as a point guard. I think he probably played 20% of his time at NKY as a PG. It showed in the stats, respectable 3.8 assists, not so respectable 2.6 turnovers. Solid 10.9/3.8/3.8 while shooting 48.2%.

Last night I heard a large amount of compliments on Jalen. Highlighted by calling him "Northern Kentucky's gift to the state of Arkansas". Why is it that a kid with a poor shot and, apart from good length for a guard, not particularly athletic, was such a great get for the Razorbacks? I think I know the answer. He was a 5th year senior who knew what he could and could not do. Experience and maturity matter. A lot.

So this brings me to NU, where is our Jalen Tate? Does it make sense we can find players like him in the Portal? Are admission standards, by themselves, enough to think we are doomed to fail if we try to find them? We had 3 unused schollies last year. Seniors and maturity matter. They might eat up other people's minutes but they also make them better. Make younger players more mature. Leadership. Practice quality. They all matter.

PS-I hate the portal. I think it's fair to kids to have the chance to transfer and even support to 1 time exception without sitting out rule. But I hate what it does to the mid majors. It just helps concentrating talent in the power conferences.
I thought Pat Spencer kind of filled that role last season.
 
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He did on the leadership part. But on experience he was plenty naive. Less than expected, but he was.
True, in that we brought in a lacrosse star to play point guard. But Spencer's assist-to-turnover ratio of 3.9/2.3 is even better than Tate's 3.8/2.6, as far as that goes. Sure, Spencer wasn't a 3-point bomber, but he was effective at scoring "sneaky" points and averaged double figures for us. He was a great competitor and won us some games last season. (Would we have won any without him? I'm only half-joking.)

He exceeded all expectations I had of him and am grateful for the season we got from him. I wish we had him on this season's team, which often seemed lost at the point.
 

willycat

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I have zero desire to discuss politics or I'd post in the rant board. But, anyway, what does politics or Trump have to do with any of this?
Your right it belongs on the rant board. I'll delete yet their are about 3 posters who constantly back up his lies. DONE!