Which is better? UNITY or EQUALITY?
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I think it is the other way around. People have fought for equality for decades but it hasn't led to unity. If everyone is on the same page then I think it's easier to establish equality. Just look where this country is right now. People supposedly fighting for equality seems to be pushing us further apart.
Freedom of course. But you can’t have freedom if there is some state-imposed “equity” or “unity.” That means no one is free to be better than the most mediocre.
A poll allowing multiple answers when there are only two choices. Interesting.
Equality is a buzzword that currently reflects the idea of an artificial cultural framework that creates the idea of an obligation to participate in someone’s idea of how people should act. The problem is that with critical race theory, it is upon white people, alone, to create a better reality for black people (not any other race-just one that still struggles, even after desegregation, voting rights, affirmative action, minority educational grants, tax credits, etc.)
They expect us to take up the slack in creating others’ lived reality. There’s only so much that can be expected of people until you say, “We’ve done everything that can reasonably be expected to give these people a fair shot.”
I agree with police reform. Unions disallow depts from firing bad/corrupt/racist cops. Derek Chauvin should NEVER have been on the force when he killed George Floyd. I agree with putting additional money into education-specifically, inner city schools that do, in fact, receive fewer resources. Outside of that, that’s it. You can’t disrupt the cultural and legal framework that we have enjoyed since the beginning (no, I don’t mean “institutional racism;” I mean the uh, like, Constitution, or whatever that document that provided the legal framework for the most successful country in the history of man is called) to obligate others to bear the burden of others’ lack of success. It’s getting to the point where it is what it is.
They expect us to take up the slack in creating others’ lived reality. There’s only so much that can be expected of people until you say, “We’ve done everything that can reasonably be expected to give these people a fair shot.”
I agree with police reform. Unions disallow depts from firing bad/corrupt/racist cops. Derek Chauvin should NEVER have been on the force when he killed George Floyd. I agree with putting additional money into education-specifically, inner city schools that do, in fact, receive fewer resources. Outside of that, that’s it. You can’t disrupt the cultural and legal framework that we have enjoyed since the beginning (no, I don’t mean “institutional racism;” I mean the uh, like, Constitution, or whatever that document that provided the legal framework for the most successful country in the history of man is called) to obligate others to bear the burden of others’ lack of success. It’s getting to the point where it is what it is.
Equity is not a word people should be comfortable with. It is essentially equality of outcome, which is, by definition, a communist concept.
Fantastic post. The only fair and just framework is freedom which grants equality of opportunity.
Let me clarify what I meant, though. I do think that the policies the we enacted in the 60s are still working their way through the black community. When your family was enslaved for three or four generations, Jim Crowed, etc., and have just had rights for 50 years, I get that it takes time. With the progress that has been made, though, it feels like we have actually not done anything to help, and that’s just not true. We just shouldn’t punish white people (culturally) for the sins of the past.
The policies that were enacted along with the civil rights act: by any objective measure, have been an absolute disaster for minorities. It's not even debatable.
I don’t wanna be equal. But I’m all for being united.
No doubt. The Great Society basically destroyed the black family.
Not exactly what I meant. I think that affirmative action is something that can help them, but in general, policies put in place in the 60s have taken awhile to help black people. You can see that there are quite a bit more influential black people than there were back in the day, so the world has changed, but I stress, again, that there is a critical mass point, and we are close to reaching it, when it comes to policy. No policy that helps one group should hurt another. Ever.Unity. Equality is a myth. We each have different strengths and weaknesses and that's a great thing!
This. Each person is unique with unique challenges that go beyond race, gender, or social class. There’s zero way for true equality.
I choose both as being on the same level of desire.
Assuming we mean people are treated equally for legal reasons. Like policing, housing, etc. Basically people should be treated equally when all other things are roughly equal except for designated protected classes. So, for example, a minority shouldn’t be generally treated worse than a white person in regards to anything or denied housing just because of their skin color unless there is a legitimate reason for a certain skin color to be required.
Like a movie about a black person growing up with two white parents. Obviously you know skin color is a pretty big requirement for the roles of the three people.
But if race isn’t an essential element to a character’s back story or plot in the movie then I don’t get why people care about what skin color the actor is. Like I heard someone complain that some superhero character was going to be black in some movie or TV show because the character had never been black before. Has the character being white been an essential element of the character’s history in comics or other media? No? Well OK then why the **** does it matter what his skin color is then?
Now if we asking for equality in performance based things then no. Better performance should be rewarded better, but stuff a person can’t control like race shouldn’t have any impact on performance-based stuff.
Assuming we mean people are treated equally for legal reasons. Like policing, housing, etc. Basically people should be treated equally when all other things are roughly equal except for designated protected classes. So, for example, a minority shouldn’t be generally treated worse than a white person in regards to anything or denied housing just because of their skin color unless there is a legitimate reason for a certain skin color to be required.
Like a movie about a black person growing up with two white parents. Obviously you know skin color is a pretty big requirement for the roles of the three people.
But if race isn’t an essential element to a character’s back story or plot in the movie then I don’t get why people care about what skin color the actor is. Like I heard someone complain that some superhero character was going to be black in some movie or TV show because the character had never been black before. Has the character being white been an essential element of the character’s history in comics or other media? No? Well OK then why the **** does it matter what his skin color is then?
Now if we asking for equality in performance based things then no. Better performance should be rewarded better, but stuff a person can’t control like race shouldn’t have any impact on performance-based stuff.
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Because in their push for equality there are those who really don't want it but rather want the power to be shifted. We were well on our way towards equality when the race baiters and power hungry people stepped in to control their bases.
Exactly, you can't have equality or unity by demonizing or dehumanizing a specific race. We should have learned that with slavery and the atrocities committed in that time. I understand the distrust and hate but, it will not help trying to reverse the situation. We must simply go forward, acknowledge our faults of the past and make sure that all have the rights the constitution set forth.
If you have unity, you have enough equality. And equality isn't same.
Depends on meaning of equality. If it's happiness/tranquility/liberty, why not?
I think the equality talked about or should be talked about is an equal chance at success. If everyone is given an equal chance at success whatever it is you are trying to become/do/achieve, then we should be happier. With an equitable system/society it is then up to you to make it. Now, there will always be people who will blame it on someone else if they don't make it but, in a society who mainly understands this I believe that would be minimal and unity achieved. Unfortunately today we are seeing a lot of people who are wanting success given and are not wanting to work for it which is why we have such division in this country and most of it due to disinformation and misinformation (most by design) by political leaders and the super rich to keep their bases in line.
At 10k plus per hour speaking fees, their interest is in perpetuating the problem, not fixing it.
Unity but unfortunately it isn't possible at the moment thanks to politicians and geopolitical bad guys.
Equity is a ridiculous and dangerous concept because it causes division and is absolutely unattainable. We're all different but have different talents.
Think about it in terms of sports. Should lebron be required to play basketball using only half his athleticism? Steph not be allowed to shoot threes? Should tom brady or pat mahomes have to throw left handed? Of course not.
Equal opportunity (which we have) is crucial but equal outcome is impossible.
Equity is a ridiculous and dangerous concept because it causes division and is absolutely unattainable. We're all different but have different talents.
Think about it in terms of sports. Should lebron be required to play basketball using only half his athleticism? Steph not be allowed to shoot threes? Should tom brady or pat mahomes have to throw left handed? Of course not.
Equal opportunity (which we have) is crucial but equal outcome is impossible.
By every measurable statistic, black families are dramatically worse off than they were when those policies were enacted. I can cite sources if anyone needs me to.
I didn't even realize the origin of this until tonight.
Amazing how you leftist American idiots are celebrating our transition to communism. By unity, they mean the old communist ideal of solidarity, We are beng sold out, take care of and protect yourselves while there's still time.
Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.
Alexis de Tocqueville
Amazing how you leftist American idiots are celebrating our transition to communism. By unity, they mean the old communist ideal of solidarity, We are beng sold out, take care of and protect yourselves while there's still time.
Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.
Alexis de Tocqueville
Every American born in this country has won lifes lottery already. However some have lost their way by thinking things are more important than freedom.
They don't want unity or equality, they want payback. If they actually wanted those things, we wouldn't be hearing all of this nonsense because everyone has the same opportunities in this country now. Whether you take advantage of them or not is on you. And not everyone starts at the same starting line in life. That has always been. But at least in this society, if you have the motivation and a modicum of brain power, you can achieve any level of success. Frankly it takes marginal effort to even just get a decent middle class life. Anymore it's just blacks being openly racist under the guise of feel good word salad nonsense.
You have one side exploiting this so called dream of equality by morphing a lot of incidents into racial situations for short term cash via shakedowns (Reverends Jackson, Sharpton down to local black church leaders) and power (Obamas). Then the other side is condescending & patronizing the hell out of the other side hoping for prominence politically via prevailing political correctness norms (YT). Not a bridge too far at all… I’m sure we’ll get there soon!
lol expect the buzzwords that racists attach to equal rights in order to change the discussion......the usual scare words/phrases like, communism, whichever country they hate being involved, satanic worship, vampirism, child molestation. Because the discussion CANNOT be able equal rights because they have never been man enough to own up to it.
Reminds me of something I saw on Bill O'Reilly, a black "celeb" was on while Bill was talking about Right-Wingers using their constitutionally guaranteed right to carry guns.....the guest suggested that maybe all blacks should carry their legal and protected guns as well. Bill's response was "Now, let's not get carried away!"
You most certainly can. It also depends on you want to define each, especially equality.
lol expect the buzzwords that racists attach to equal rights in order to change the discussion......the usual scare words/phrases like, communism, whichever country they hate being involved, satanic worship, vampirism, child molestation. Because the discussion CANNOT be able equal rights because they have never been man enough to own up to it.
Reminds me of something I saw on Bill O'Reilly, a black "celeb" was on while Bill was talking about Right-Wingers using their constitutionally guaranteed right to carry guns.....the guest suggested that maybe all blacks should carry their legal and protected guns as well. Bill's response was "Now, let's not get carried away!"
